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01-28-2015, 02:27 PM #121
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01-28-2015, 02:49 PM #122
No kidding... if the US really wanted to eliminate ISIS and all the other extremist rebels in Syria, and then also exterminate the people backing Assad's regime... there wouldn't be very many people left alive in the country.
When the rebels you support are so horrible that the entire world is calling for their extermination, and the gov't you oppose is backed by a large chunk of the population, that should be your first clue that maybe this civil war isn't something we should get involved in.
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01-29-2015, 12:53 AM #123
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01-29-2015, 07:02 AM #124
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01-29-2015, 09:59 AM #125
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01-29-2015, 05:22 PM #126
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01-30-2015, 04:39 AM #127
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01-30-2015, 08:08 AM #128
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02-01-2015, 06:07 AM #129
from a recent ISIS video talking about the withdrawal from Kobani
First speaker From 1:30
Today, and more recently we have slowly begun withdrawing from "Ain al-Islam" due to the airstrikes and loss of our brothers, losing brothers isn't a loss, that's a victory..it was done for preservation "insha allah". As you can see the destruction but we're "baqiah" (remain) send this to Obama Inshallah
Second speaker from 2:00
We are now in front of "Ain Al-Islam"..Kobani. The reason we withdrew isn't secret and we're not hiding this fact...by Allah's grace we overran the villages, by Allah's grace roughly 360 villages was liberated by us, we destroyed them and they fled like rats by Allah's grace, but the reason we withdrew was because we did not find fighters to attack...
We controlled 70% of "Ain Al-Islam" but the Airstrikes left nothing, it turned everything into rubble, every time the jets came it destroyed everything and turned the ground into fire, so we were forced to retreat and the rats would advance. Wallahi they weren't always able to advance from their cowardness and fear, we would sometimes force them back, we were steadfast and we will continue to be, but Allah wanted to test his slaves, by Allah's will we will strike back.
This method of striking and retreating has been done since the days of the Prophet Mohammed and his companions , By Allah's will we will destroy them.
Wallahi the Jets did not leave us day or night, they bombed us day and night, they bombed everything, even our vehicles, they did not leave a building standing, but with Allah's grace we will strike them back.
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02-01-2015, 08:47 AM #130
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02-01-2015, 08:53 AM #131
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02-01-2015, 03:01 PM #132
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02-03-2015, 09:18 AM #133
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02-03-2015, 10:12 AM #134
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02-03-2015, 10:20 AM #135
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02-03-2015, 03:09 PM #136
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6606156.html
jordan to execute prisoner ISIS was trying to release "within hours" as retaliation...
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02-04-2015, 02:45 AM #137
DEADLY REPRISALS
Deliberate killings and other abuses by Syria's armed forces
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/sites/defa...y_reprials.pdf
This was just up until July 2012, well before ISIS ever entered the picture. The genocide and intentional targeting of civilian populations and general barbarity by Assad have gotten exponentially worse since and not against ISIS but against the people of Syria.
Anyone who thinks that Assad will ever be leader of a whole Syria again, or that the US would 'team up with' him either does not have a clue what's been going on in Syria or is living in a land of serious delusions. There is zero chance of that happening.
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02-04-2015, 02:49 AM #138
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02-04-2015, 04:47 AM #139
and this is where you and so many others are confused. The FSA is not a political group fighting for total control of Syria. It is only a fighting group whose goal is to bring down Assad(and now also remove ISIS from Syria), not to form its own political control over all of Syria.
Assad and many of his supporters still live under the delusion that Assad will someday rule over Syria again. It is not nor ever has been the goal of the FSA to be a political body that rules over Syria, so you are comparing apples and oranges like so many others do.
The FSA is allied with Christians, Druze, Kurds, and some Shia alawites even, under the Supreme Military Council of Syria and fighting against BOTH Assad's forces AND ISIS. This is a FIGHTING coalition though, and does not seek POLITICAL control - rather its goal is to defeat Assad in all ways possible in the hopes that a coalition government can and will be formed in Syria.
Even if the US put 100% of its efforts behind Assad(totally hypothetical though as it would not happen) there is still 0% chance of him regaining political control over Syria and being respected by the people of Syria as such. The mass of the population of Syria that is deathly, angrily, mightily opposed to him and that will never ever accept him as anything but a murderous tyrant is far too great.
The fact that Assad has been dropping so many bombs in Damascus itself lately should be a clue.
Neither Assad nor ISIS can achieve their goals in Syria. Those fighting against them not only can, they probably will.
These are the realistic possibilities:
Assad's chance of rule over a unified Syria - 0%
ISIS' chances of rule over a unified Syria - 0%
A new, legitimate coalition government eventually being formed and governing a whole Syria - 60%
Syria split up - 40%
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02-04-2015, 09:15 AM #140
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But FSA won't takeover Syria. Thats a fact. And stop pretending like it'll be some utopia under them. Accept this. The only 3 possible outcomes for Syria are ISIS, Assad or Islamic Front/Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda
FSA has around 30,000 fighters now in Syria, meaning they're not even trusted or likeable anymore since the ones who actually cared about the country joined IF. ISIS has around 15k-20k in Syria. Unpopular
Assad and the Islamists(IF, JN, and MB) are the most popular groups in Syria with around 200,000 fighters each
They. Do. Not. Want. Democracy.
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02-04-2015, 09:20 AM #141
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02-04-2015, 11:59 AM #142
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02-04-2015, 12:40 PM #143
you learn to think, hes absolutely right.
Like I said before, neither ISIS, nor FSA nor Assad have enough force to take the entire country.
FSA can feel free to govern themselves in whatever regions they wish, or give political power to whomever they want but as long as the SAA remains in control of territories, Assad will remain in control of those territories.
If the goal of the SAA is to take back the entire country
If the goal of ISIS is to take all of Syria
If the goal of FSA is to remove Assad from power
all 3 of these factions will never complete their goals.
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02-04-2015, 01:22 PM #144
So he is "absolutely right" .... when his post falsely insinuated that I said that 'FSA will takeover Syria' which is so completely not what I said that it probably was not even worthy of a reply. I do not live under any illusions that the FSA will takeover Syria nor ever have .... but in be4 some other troll comes in here saying I think that the FSA is going to takeover Syria (and again the FSA is not even a political group to begin with)
Your first two 'IF's' are in fact correct, however your third one is already false. Assad already is removed from power from much of Syria.... and just like I said will never regain it. The future of Syria will either be a Syria split up into smaller parts or a new government formed of a whole Syria. No other options exist outside of those two, although the fighting as it is now may go on for a while longer before one of those two happen.
he also said
"The only 3 possible outcomes for Syria are ISIS, Assad or Islamic Front/Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda"
meaning that Assad has the ability to regain control over Syria OR ISIS has the ability to gain control over a whole Syria ... Which you yourself just posted was not possible, and of course neither are true now that ISIS is being firmly pressed by outside forces. Basically what he posted is the false Assad-Iran-Russia propaganda of 'Its either Assad or da terrorists!' that is so ludicrous that it only deserves scorn and not much else.Last edited by LukeLissen; 02-04-2015 at 01:30 PM.
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02-05-2015, 12:17 AM #145
just now; Its raining rockets on Damascus from Ghouta.
Students in Damascus take shelter while missiles fall on the city
video: http://m.********.com/story.php?stor...L9iBsCPpO&_rdr
video of opposition preparing for the attack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndrPC...ature=youtu.be
BTW, I do not condone this - I condemn it. I am just reporting on it.
Assad has been firing missiles, rockets, and bombs into heavily populated areas for years, however that does not make it OK for anyone else to do the same. This should be condemned just the same.
This attack is done with homemade rockets which in general are poor to very poor shrapnel producers and therefore not very effective at much else except for terrorizing. So far 8 wounded and somewhere between 50 and 100 rockets fired. Its mainly because the detonator, metal casing, and the explosive are not ideal, mostly the metal casing which in these homemade rockets tends to split into a few large pieces instead of the many small pieces of a factory Grad rocket. Also the factory Grads are a lot more accurate.
There have now been seen in videos over the past few weeks a large number of actual factory Grad rockets and launchers being used by opposition forces, mostly in the north. If these get to Damascus they will do carnage. Factory BM-21 Grad rockets are extremely effective at producing optimal sprays of shrapnel on impact. Hopefully those groups who have these do not use them on Damascus.
For example, recent videos of real, factory Grad rocket attacks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qF1reR2p_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mfju8MGQeI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lImWwybT7V0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBO42LdZIqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU_FvsgMRoY
Last edited by LukeLissen; 02-05-2015 at 12:53 AM.
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02-05-2015, 02:39 AM #146
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02-05-2015, 04:28 AM #147
Jordan's Special Forces are some of the best in the Middle East
http://www.businessinsider.com/jorda...#ixzz3QsBTNw5I
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02-05-2015, 12:58 PM #148
You're just dancing around the fact that moderates have no chance of taking over in a post-Assad Syria.
None.
They don't have the #'s or the determination, and most Syrian Sunnis prefer to throw in their lot with the likes of Islamic Front, Al-Nusra, Al-Queda, Islamic Brotherhood, etc. FSA is a joke (has been almost since the beginning).
What you advocate (bomb ISIS until they change their name to something else, arm FSA, bomb Assad) is nothing but a perscription for endless war and ethnic cleansing in Syria. Which something I suspect you're perfectly ok with. You'd prefer a Sunni muslim victory in Syria, but you and your ilk will settle for endless war similar to 1990s Afghanistan. Either way, Sunni and wealthy Gulf Arab interests are met.
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02-05-2015, 01:18 PM #149
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02-05-2015, 11:25 PM #150
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