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    you are depicting the notion that significant is a relative term
    I quoted directly from the study.
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    Originally Posted by bencarpenter View Post
    I quoted directly from the study.
    thats the problem, people simply throwing up studies without much frame of context for the majority who don't wish/have the time to thoroughly understand them
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    Originally Posted by bencarpenter View Post
    I quoted directly from the study.
    Pretty sure he is saying that the results were not due to the increase in test levels.

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    Forskolin was shown to elicit favorable changes in body composition by significantly decreasing body fat percentage (BF%) and fat mass (FM) as determined by DXA compared with the placebo group (p < or = 0.05). Additionally, forskolin administration resulted in a change in bone mass for the 12-week trial compared with the placebo group (p < or = 0.05). There was a trend toward a significant increase for lean body mass in the forskolin group compared with the placebo group (p = 0.097). Serum free testosterone levels were significantly increased in the forskolin group compared with the placebo group (p < or = 0.05). The actual change in serum total testosterone concentration was not significantly different among groups, but it increased 16.77 +/- 33.77% in the forskolin group compared with a decrease of 1.08 +/- 18.35% in the placebo group.

    Oral ingestion of forskolin (250 mg of 10% forskolin extract twice a day) for a 12-week period was shown to favorably alter body composition while concurrently increasing bone mass and serum free testosterone levels in overweight and obese men. The results indicate that forskolin is a possible therapeutic agent for the management and treatment of obesity.

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    Originally Posted by respawn View Post
    Pretty sure he is saying that the results were not due to the increase in test levels.





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    Forskolin wouldn't increase LBM secondary to testosterone, but rather through the anabolic pathways with which the cAMP cascade operates in skeletal muscle
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    Originally Posted by respawn View Post
    Minor advantages.
    http://examine.com/supplements/Coleus+forskohlii/

    Lean Mass
    Somewhat effective (2lbs over 12 weeks relative to placebo) although somewhat confounded with the increase in bone mass, as lean mass is inclusive of bone and skeletal muscle.
    http://examine.com/show_rubric_effec...&selection=all
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16129715

    Fat mass
    Somewhat effective in reducing fat mass in obese and overweight persons.
    http://examine.com/show_rubric_effec...&selection=all
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22131759

    Calorie intake / energy balance is what plays the biggest factor
    When we assume that 1 lb of LBM is the optimal amount of tissue that can be gained over 1 month in a natural trainee (and this is close to reality for most people), then forskolin is coming close to doubling rate of LBM gain, which to me, is incredibly effective, not somewhat effective.
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    When we assume that 1 lb of LBM is the optimal amount of tissue that can be gained over 1 month in a natural trainee (and this is close to reality for most people), then forskolin is coming close to doubling rate of LBM gain, which to me, is incredibly effective, not somewhat effective.

    Mr. Cooper does forskolin need to be cycled & if so why, what is the protocol for cycling, also how much LBM have you gained from previous runs on it
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    When we assume that 1 lb of LBM is the optimal amount of tissue that can be gained over 1 month in a natural trainee (and this is close to reality for most people), then forskolin is coming close to doubling rate of LBM gain, which to me, is incredibly effective, not somewhat effective.
    Naturals can gain double that. Depending on the person a little more or a little less that 2lbs a month.
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    Originally Posted by MarcelinoChiles View Post
    Mr. Cooper does forskolin need to be cycled & if so why, what is the protocol for cycling, also how much LBM have you gained from previous runs on it
    I can't quantify LBM gain of course, and neither can anyone else without a bodpod or such, but the data is there. I run it 4 months on, 1 month off, just because cycling anything is important

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    Naturals can gain double that. Depending on the person a little more or a little less that 2lbs a month.
    Maybe as a beginner, but no, you can not naturally gain 24 lbs of LBM a year as an intermediate trainee. If this were the case, you'd put on 250 lbs of LBM in 10 years of hard training
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    Can anyone tell me if forskolin will have any effect on blood sugar?

    Been running ckd keto and thinking of picking up some f95 to try
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    I'm surprised that there is real science discussed in here I came in for a laugh, knowing that op is going to be silly as he can be .
    continue yall lol.

    on a serious note I tried forskolin it's pretty good, gets expensive at 100 mg.
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    I can't quantify LBM gain of course, and neither can anyone else without a bodpod or such, but the data is there. I run it 4 months on, 1 month off, just because cycling anything is important



    Maybe as a beginner, but no, you can not naturally gain 24 lbs of LBM a year as an intermediate trainee. If this were the case, you'd put on 250 lbs of LBM in 10 years of hard training
    Were the studies you mentioned done on intermediates resistance trained members? or did it not specify?

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    I'm surprised that there is real science discussed in here I came in for a laugh, knowing that op is going to be silly as he can be .
    continue yall lol.

    on a serious note I tried forskolin it's pretty good, gets expensive at 100 mg.
    Give 50 mg a go. It actually works pretty well at that dosage as well.
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    Originally Posted by hamdysayed View Post
    I'm surprised that there is real science discussed in here I came in for a laugh, knowing that op is going to be silly as he can be .
    continue yall lol.

    on a serious note I tried forskolin it's pretty good, gets expensive at 100 mg.
    Yeah. Usually its a joke. But seems to be some decent posts so far.
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    Originally Posted by Yates Row T View Post
    Can anyone tell me if forskolin will have any effect on blood sugar?

    Been running ckd keto and thinking of picking up some f95 to try
    I don't believe there is any impact on blood sugar, however someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
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    I don't believe there is any impact on blood sugar, however someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
    I had a look but found nothing.

    But why would it matter? protein effects blood sugar.
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    Give 50 mg a go. It actually works pretty well at that dosage as well.
    I'm assuming 50mg would be of great benefit, especially combined with other effects: EC stack or Yohimbine (Based on the Coop's Corner talking about forskolin - though I don't recall if Y-HCL was mentioned), amentoflavone, etc.

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    Originally Posted by DGarcia519 View Post
    I'm assuming 50mg would be of great benefit, especially combined with other effects: EC stack or Yohimbine (Based on the Coop's Corner talking about forskolin - though I don't recall if Y-HCL was mentioned), amentoflavone, etc.

    Really want to try this product at some point in the near future. Some good info ITT.
    "Great" is going to be subjective. Tbh, it's going to be subtle at 50 mg as well as 100 mg. You also need to be fully aware of how you respond to whatever your planning to do without it, that way you have a compare and contrast scenario to figure out how you respond to the stuff.

    Mind you, take the studies into consideration with the caveat that they are not using well trained subjects. I think most if not all the studies used non-trained and/or overweight subjects. Well trained individuals may see effects which equates to less of what was seen in the studies.
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    Originally Posted by respawn View Post
    I had a look but found nothing.

    But why would it matter? protein effects blood sugar.
    Not worried about forskolin spiking blood sugar. Was wondering more for a lowering effect that woykd be unwanted with the already relativelt low sugar from keto
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    Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    "Great" is going to be subjective. Tbh, it's going to be subtle at 50 mg as well as 100 mg. You also need to be fully aware of how you respond to whatever your planning to do without it, that way you have a compare and contrast scenario to figure out how you respond to the stuff.

    Mind you, take the studies into consideration with the caveat that they are not using well trained subjects. I think most if not all the studies used non-trained and/or overweight subjects. Well trained individuals may see effects which equates to less of what was seen in the studies.
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    Can anyone tell me if forskolin will have any effect on blood sugar?

    Been running ckd keto and thinking of picking up some f95 to try
    It increases cAMP which helps induce insulin release through b2 agonism. It may lower blood sugar, though I don't believe the effect will be clinically significant. I also believe i answered this before
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    It increases cAMP which helps induce insulin release through b2 agonism. It may lower blood sugar, though I don't believe the effect will be clinically significant. I also believe i answered this before
    Rarely on forums anymore may have missed it. Thanks man
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    Originally Posted by NewAgeMayan View Post
    well what do we have here
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    Originally Posted by MarcelinoChiles View Post
    Does Forskolin help you gain Muscle or Just lose weight
    Here's a great article about if forskolin actually does help you build muscle;
    tryskinnypills.com/does-forskolin-help-build-muscle-or-just-lose-weight
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