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11-29-2014, 04:23 AM #61
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11-29-2014, 04:35 AM #62
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11-29-2014, 04:51 AM #63
Pretty sure he is saying that the results were not due to the increase in test levels.
The full text. http://www.jissn.com/content/2/2/54
The discussion is interesting.
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11-29-2014, 08:49 AM #64
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11-30-2014, 01:04 PM #65
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11-30-2014, 01:06 PM #66
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11-30-2014, 03:03 PM #67
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11-30-2014, 05:01 PM #68
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11-30-2014, 09:11 PM #69
I can't quantify LBM gain of course, and neither can anyone else without a bodpod or such, but the data is there. I run it 4 months on, 1 month off, just because cycling anything is important
Maybe as a beginner, but no, you can not naturally gain 24 lbs of LBM a year as an intermediate trainee. If this were the case, you'd put on 250 lbs of LBM in 10 years of hard training
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11-30-2014, 09:15 PM #70
I might give forskolin a go and see how it treats me, but first I'll bulk for a month or two so I can see the difference.
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11-30-2014, 09:21 PM #71
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11-30-2014, 10:02 PM #72
I'm surprised that there is real science discussed in here I came in for a laugh, knowing that op is going to be silly as he can be .
continue yall lol.
on a serious note I tried forskolin it's pretty good, gets expensive at 100 mg.Learn....then share the knowledge.
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ARA(1.5 grams)+PA(1.2 + grams)= GAINS
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11-30-2014, 10:50 PM #73
Were the studies you mentioned done on intermediates resistance trained members? or did it not specify?
No one will agree with the 2nd part.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...otential.html/
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12-01-2014, 02:40 AM #74
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12-01-2014, 02:50 AM #75
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12-01-2014, 06:46 AM #78
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I'm assuming 50mg would be of great benefit, especially combined with other effects: EC stack or Yohimbine (Based on the Coop's Corner talking about forskolin - though I don't recall if Y-HCL was mentioned), amentoflavone, etc.
Really want to try this product at some point in the near future. Some good info ITT.I'm the clever one, you're the potato one.
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12-01-2014, 06:57 AM #79
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"Great" is going to be subjective. Tbh, it's going to be subtle at 50 mg as well as 100 mg. You also need to be fully aware of how you respond to whatever your planning to do without it, that way you have a compare and contrast scenario to figure out how you respond to the stuff.
Mind you, take the studies into consideration with the caveat that they are not using well trained subjects. I think most if not all the studies used non-trained and/or overweight subjects. Well trained individuals may see effects which equates to less of what was seen in the studies.Completed Logs & Reviews:
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12-01-2014, 11:41 AM #80
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12-03-2014, 01:30 AM #85
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