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    Originally Posted by NVious View Post
    Everything would get crowdfunded
    If funding these things would be necessary for the functioning of society and therefore in effect mandatory, how would that be any different than taxes?
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    Originally Posted by ez92 View Post
    I think then we'd have communities functioning like tribes which would probably lead to something like feudalism which means constant conflict/war. Also, under your scenario corruption would be rampant.
    you do realize we have the internet?

    We dont need to communicate using ivory horns or smoke signals.
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    Originally Posted by iLiketoLift898 View Post
    How is it theft if the government gives you schooling, roads, public transportation, police & military protection, sanitation etc? I've never heard of a thief that robs you and then gives you a bunch of stuff in return.
    You MIGHT have had a point if those things you mentioned even equaled 50% of the US budget.

    hint: they equal 40% combined. yes, ALL defense spending, federal education spending, roads, etc equals 40% of US federal spending. 60% of the budget is entitlement programs and interest on the debt.
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    meh, its a game. some play it well, others don't.

    For example, when you turn 60 or so, put EVERYTHING in your children's name. The government cant touch it if it's been in someone else's name for at least 7 years after your death. (at least in my state)
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    Originally Posted by iLiketoLift898 View Post
    How is it theft if the government gives you schooling, roads, public transportation, police & military protection, sanitation etc? I've never heard of a thief that robs you and then gives you a bunch of stuff in return.

    Also, how would modern society function if we there were no taxes? Should we all just return to hunter gatherer times and hunt for food and build our own shelter so you don't have to pay any tax?

    Inb4 miscers mention the glorious 50's as some golden age, even though taxes were astronomical compared to today.
    THEY'RE TAKING IT BY FORCE. So it's ok for me to come over to your house, steal all your belongings, sell them, and give you some back? Does that suddenly not make it theft? Ever heard of capitalism? When there's demand, someone will be there to supply it.

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    You say that as if I'm actually sitting in a jail cell for those 24 years

    And the system isn't perfect, and might even be a bit broken, but it's a better system than 50% of the world.
    You might as well be sitting in a jail cell for 24 years. You'd have pretty much the same results after those 24 years. Lol, so because it's better than 50% of the world that's ok? ^ Average American mindset, which will eventually lead us to our demise. Soon taxes will be 90%+, you can't stop government greed. They'll only want more and it's this exact mindset that will allow it.
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    Originally Posted by syth1230 View Post
    you do realize we have the internet?

    We dont need to communicate using ivory horns or smoke signals.
    The fuk does that have to do with it? I said like tribes. Doesnt mean living in tipis you retard.
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    I'm no fan of taxes, but I'm happy paying as long as it is being spent frugally. Also, it doesn't seem like you know very much about Estate Taxes. For people dying in the year 2015, the first $5,430,000 of transferred assets is exempt from Estate Taxes. Nobody working a 9-5 job is going to have close to that much.
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    Originally Posted by AniMaLizTik View Post
    meh, its a game. some play it well, others don't.

    For example, when you turn 60 or so, put EVERYTHING in your children's name. The government cant touch it if it's been in someone else's name for at least 7 years after your death. (at least in my state)
    fkkk, thanks for said loophole. Will take advantage of. But "meh"? honestly? That's your response to this? 24 years of your life is stolen and all you have to say is meh?
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    strong ad-hominem, but who was rebuttal? Oh, you have nothing of substance to offer? Expected.
    Ad-hominem? lol. I think you need to look up the definition of an ad-hominem.
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    You bag on taxes in the US, but why do you think healthcare over there is so much cheaper than other countries? all the taxes are what pays for you to go to the hospital. If we didn't have to pay tax, we would have to use health insurance and pay 1000s of dollars every time we had to go to the hospital, Idk about you but that doesn't sound like a place I'd wanna live.

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    Originally Posted by ez92 View Post
    What do you think would happen if nobody paid taxes?
    Entitled socialists would riot.

    Originally Posted by 7uck3r View Post
    You bag on taxes in the US, but why do you think healthcare over there is so much cheaper than other countries? all the taxes are what pays for you to go to the hospital. If we didn't have to pay tax, we would have to use health insurance and pay 1000s of dollars every time we had to go to the hospital, Idk about you but that doesn't sound like a place I'd wanna live.

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    American healthcare is generally covered by insurance. Responsible people pay for insurance, you're basically complaining about something that only happens to irresponsible people.

    And for the sake of consistency, I trust that you would be in favour of nationalising all supermarkets and paying for our food in taxes? Surely it would be a better system to remove all free-market competition and have one state supplier of grocieries free at the point of use? It's free so it must be better right? I mean, clearly choice doesn't matter to you, clearly consumer freedom doesn't matter, and clearly you believe that other people have a duty to pay for your needs, so you'd support that right? Or are you just another socialist who hasn't actually got the slightest clue about economics?
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    [QUOTE=Cesarbruh;1315882131]THEY'RE TAKING IT BY FORCE. So it's ok for me to come over to your house, steal all your belongings, sell them, and give you some back? Does that suddenly not make it theft? Ever heard of capitalism? When there's demand, someone will be there to supply it.

    They are not taking it by force, you are not being robbed by armed men at gun point, stop being a drama queen.

    Clearly you don't understand how modern society works; the government provides you with an education while you grow up, modern infrastructure a police force and a military to keep you safe, in return you pay a certain amount of your income back to the state for these services. In other words; you give some and you get some. Would you rather return to some primitive system where there is no government and complete anarchy?

    Also, capitalism is in no way, in neither theory nor practice, based on the idea of zero taxes. In fact, having a strong government to write and uphold laws, protect the nation, punish criminals and ensure that the system is free from corruption is essential to the functioning of a capitalist society and a free market. Those services cost money and are funded by taxes.
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    Originally Posted by ez92 View Post
    The fuk does that have to do with it? I said like tribes. Doesnt mean living in tipis you retard.
    tribes existed with considerable less technology.

    The idea that you can draw a parallel between tribal times and the information age we are in is just wishful thinking.

    If you cant understand the effect of technology on human relations then i cant really say anything more.
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    Originally Posted by SofondaCox View Post
    I'm no fan of taxes, but I'm happy paying as long as it is being spent frugally. Also, it doesn't seem like you know very much about Estate Taxes. For people dying in the year 2015, the first $5,430,000 of transferred assets is exempt from Estate Taxes. Nobody working a 9-5 job is going to have close to that much.
    If you spend your whole life working and don't make more than that, you deserve the government's pity.

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    I'm no fan of theft, but I'm happy paying as long as it is being spent frugally.
    Also, fixed and it is NEVER is spent frugally
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    Meanwhile back to reality; America is the richest and most powerful country in human existence.

    Your anarchy utopia world is only going to produce terror and mayhem, poverty, failure, decay and then eventual rule by the biggest meanest, most oppressive, most thieving, most totalitarian warlord around of that nightmarish world.

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    4-star thread- lol... everything posted ITT is factual, just look at the enslaved minds deluding themselves into thinking the status quo is ok. This is why nothing will ever change.
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    If we didn't have to pay tax, we would have to use health insurance and pay 1000s of dollars every time we had to go to the hospital,


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    fkkk, thanks for said loophole. Will take advantage of. But "meh"? honestly? That's your response to this? 24 years of your life is stolen and all you have to say is meh?
    money =/= life.

    If your mind believes that "your life is being stolen", then that will be your reality.
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    I don't think people would have a problem paying taxes if they knew it was actually being used morally and frugally....as opposed to bailing banks and the car industry, welfare for a bunch of freeloaders (though of course some people really do need genuine help), and giving it to ****hole middle eastern countries that hate our guts...
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    Originally Posted by Stealth12 View Post
    I don't think people would have a problem paying taxes if they knew it was actually being used morally and frugally....as opposed to bailing banks and the car industry, welfare for a bunch of freeloaders (though of course some people really do need genuine help), and giving it to ****hole middle eastern countries that hate our guts...
    Thats pisses me of the most our taxes go to feed prisoners, why the f dont they do labor work, sometimes it seems being a criminal easier life then being an immigrant. Also the welfare people that just live off food stamps while buying jordans.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    Meanwhile back to reality; America is the richest and most powerful country in human existence.

    Your anarchy utopia world is only going to produce terror and mayhem, poverty, failure, decay and then eventual rule by the biggest meanest, most oppressive, most thieving, most totalitarian warlord around of that nightmarish world.

    grow up
    this. You pretty much have 2 doors:

    Door 1:
    -stability
    -hard work
    -taxes
    -corruption
    -politics
    -etc

    Door 2:
    -famine
    -street executions
    -99% WAY below poverty line
    -disease
    -death
    -no drinking water
    -etc
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    I'd like to see less spent on military and more on social programs such as a universal basic income, to combat the inevitable technological unemployment
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    Your debt is just growing, so expect to be working full time for free for the government in the near future.
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    Originally Posted by Cesarbruh View Post
    Yes, because without government we could never hire someone to collect our garbage, plow our snow, etc


    Federal tax, state tax, income tax, sales tax, gas tax, property tax, and any other theft you may be subjected to
    we arent taxed like you are in cali
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    Originally Posted by nzgs View Post
    Entitled socialists would riot.



    American healthcare is generally covered by insurance. Responsible people pay for insurance, you're basically complaining about something that only happens to irresponsible people.

    And for the sake of consistency, I trust that you would be in favour of nationalising all supermarkets and paying for our food in taxes? Surely it would be a better system to remove all free-market competition and have one state supplier of grocieries free at the point of use? It's free so it must be better right? I mean, clearly choice doesn't matter to you, clearly consumer freedom doesn't matter, and clearly you believe that other people have a duty to pay for your needs, so you'd support that right? Or are you just another socialist who hasn't actually got the slightest clue about economics?
    Yes, people born with horrible illnesses or who get cancer are just irresponsible. When has anyone said anything about nationalising everything? You seem to beleive that only the extreme opposites are possible in a society, either everything is state run and you go full North Korea mode, or you have laissez-faire capitalism. Most sane and civilized people have realized a long time ago that both of these extremes do not work, like history has shown us, and that the answer, like with most things in life, is somewhere in the middle with a balanced system.

    Also, lol at calling socialists and poor people entitled. You expect to get schooling for 18 years, modern infrastructure, police and military without paying taxes for it? Clearly you are the entitles one who believes he should be getting a bunch of stuff without paying anything back for it. that is, of course, unless you want to abolish all those things?
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    Originally Posted by faen View Post
    i'd like to see less spent on military and more on social programs such as a universal basic income, to combat the inevitable technological unemployment
    Yeah, that late 18th century technological revolution caused such massive unemployment! All those mill workers displaced by machinery...no one even works in textiles anymore!

    Must be embarrassing knowing (or not) your beliefs were debunked in a 1776 book called "An Inquiry into .." and yet you still cling to them. You're the EXACT same intellectually as the people who believe the earth was created 6000 years ago. Zero difference.
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