Americans 25 YEARS of your life are stolen from you by Government

[SoberToaster]

I wish we had a flat tax structure and maybe sales tax. It would be more fair imo.

And yes it is a travesty how much $$ goes to defense spending instead of worthwhile things like education.

yea or these million dollar tin cans they shoot off into space for god knows what reason. we obviously aren't advanced enough to utilize space beyond satellites so I don't know why we still throw money up into it. give it another ten years then try again nasa. srs

[SoberToaster]

dumbest fuking thing I've ever read.

So, you or some technocrat is going to better calculate the needs and demands and optimal resource allocation and put it into a schedule better than billions of human actions, collectively bidding and asking on an open market.

Good god.

yea i am ******* i want more money you mad?

[LukeLissen]

+1 I actually think correcting society and not feeding these celebrities, movie stars and sports players golden ****in platters of cash would help for a start.

secondly i think jobs in general should have more normalized wages. considering the average pay is around 25 dollars

I feel that completely "unskilled" jobs should make around 15 dollars and hour

"slight skill" should make 20

"skilled" 25

"advanced" 30

"specialty" (like NASA ****, advanced doctor stuff etc) 35$


inb4 ****storm, inb4 socialist

I have the philosophy that work is work, once you know how to do something it really isn't that much MORE work, it's just work learning the stuff initially. so whether your flipping burgers and calculating insurance, it's still work at the end of the day IMO.

inb4 "well the doctors job is important where as the burger flipper is a worthless piece of **** scum"

well theres still supply and demand for them so they must be important. once the normalization occurs it would weed out pointless jobs imo, maybe there wouldn't be a mcdonald's anymore after they have to raise their prices or something. who cares.

The OP is striking out at what he believes is excessive government.

The world you describe is far more excessive and controlling government than what we have now.

[backintheda]

(not really just like using this gif)

[Tzaddiq]

I feel pretty strongly about this too. Obviously services need to be paid for, but in a fair world, every citizen would pay the same amount: exactly what the services cost per capita. And if a man doesn't use a certain service, he doesn't pay for it!

Progressive, marginal taxes are thievery from the most upstanding members of society.

In fact, that they contribute more to society should mean they ought to be rewarded by paying LESS for services. Imagine that. A fair society would be the exact opposite of ours...instead we reward those with the poorest behavior and punish those with the best.

[Cesarbruh]

I wish we had a flat tax structure and maybe sales tax. It would be more fair imo.

And yes it is a travesty how much $$ goes to defense spending instead of worthwhile things like education.

Theft is anything but fair.

Strong bolds

This will really hit the feel brahs hard you are cruel op and a ******* too

OP IS ALWAYS A *******, just not this time

You're forgetting trillions sent to foreign nations, free health care for illegal immigrants, free education for illegal immigrants, millions of overpaid government "employees" who do next to nothing at work (Have you been to the DMV lately?), massively abused welfare, food stamps, housing assistance by people who are perfectly capable of work yet simply will not try, ad nauseum.

How could it be that the average working american loses 35-40+% of their income in direct taxes, followed by more in indirect taxes (sales tax, "sin" taxes, yes the government gets a huge portion of the money you spend on alcohol and tobacco) yet our education system has managed to crumple to absolute ruins, we have some of the most substandard roads in the western world, our healthcare system is a fraudulent joke, etc. Also and last but not least, taxation without representation. Last I checked, if your voice is anything deviating from what you hear spewing out of the mouths of television broadcasters, you might as well yell into a pillow.

Looking good America.

It's sad to see your hard-earned stolen money not even benefit you.

[SoberToaster]

The OP is striking out at what he believes is excessive government.

The world you describe is far more excessive and controlling government than what we have now.

yep well this world would bump my pay up so i'm all for it.

brb spent money to make money society

keep the class structure stable

go to college for thousands of dollars so you can get a little piece of paper that says "dur i'm a smart person now"

brb back in the day it was called
you learned from someone who knew how the **** to do something
then you did that something

[RiceBrah93]

Sad but true. I think the same goes for any other western country.

[Cesarbruh]

In a truly free society, everything would be much more efficient. Policing for example, we wouldn't spend our time on petty, victim-less crimes like these, instead we would focus on actual violent crimes.

[Galindo62]

Wtf you brahs need a more communal uobringing.
These type of mentality is why we have slooty as american sloots.

Brb im a self entitled individual.


If everybody tried to give back more than they took we be in a better place

Op you some sort of pseudo hippy. I dont know what you are but I dont like you.

[SgtGucci]

You wouldn't have that nice-ass country of yours if nobody paid taxes, dip****.

[Cesarbruh]

yep well this world would bump my pay up so i'm all for it.

brb spent money to make money society

keep the class structure stable

go to college for thousands of dollars so you can get a little piece of paper that says "dur i'm a smart person now"

brb back in the day it was called
you learned from someone who knew how the **** to do something
then you did that something

getting government out of student loans would greatly reduce the cost of tuition. Your submission to theft is the direct cause to all these obstacles in your life.

[SKIN__N__BONES]

50% in taxes.....lol ok

[MrVeggie]

Op why dont you go move to an abandoned island and start your own little civilization. Havent seen a thread this retarded in a long time.

[Cesarbruh]

Wtf you brahs need a more communal uobringing.
These type of mentality is why we have slooty as american sloots.

Brb im a self entitled individual.


If everybody tried to give back more than they took we be in a better place

Op you some sort of pseudo hippy. I dont know what you are but I dont like you.

What's wrong with my post? Are you gonna provide an actual argument or just sit with a stick up your ass and just throw insults?

You wouldn't have that nice-ass country of yours if nobody paid taxes, dip****.

That's funny, because I remember America BOOMING with PROSPERITY when there were NO TAXES.

[GardHainer]

Because you dont get anything for your taxes, they aren't paying for anything at all...

we dumbass no

[Cesarbruh]

50% in taxes.....lol ok

Add up your Federal tax, state tax, income tax, sales tax, gas tax, property tax, capital taxes and any other theft you may be subjected to and then come back to me

Op why dont you go move to an abandoned island and start your own little civilization. Havent seen a thread this retarded in a long time.

Trust me, if there was, I WOULD. Are you seriously gonna just throw insults like a child or are you gonna actually provide some substance?

[Tzaddiq]

Wtf you brahs need a more communal uobringing.
These type of mentality is why we have slooty as american sloots.

Brb im a self entitled individual.

It's selfish and entitled to halt your own exploitation?

Communal values should be thus: contribute by pulling your weight or leave.

50% in taxes.....lol ok

You think they're less?

Add it up:
Federal tax
State/provincial tax
Property tax (it's in your rent if you don't own a house)
Sales tax
Gasoline/alcohol/gambling/etc surtaxes
+ EI you never collect
+ health plans that fat people use the most
+ mandatory pension contributions you'll never see

[Zenwell]

I think OP likes taxes

[seanb1979]

Who would handle the funds?

people skimming as much off the top as possible while providing as little service as possible

[Sportacus88]

Age: 13

Is all that needs to be said here.


Taxes go into maintaining and improving society (schools, roads, police, research, defense etc), and I am glad the government works in a way that makes everyone contribute to the greater good.

The problem lies in how the taxes are used, and how much taxes are actually needed. That's the main thing politicians argue, debate, and make proposals on, it is just very difficult to get everyone to agree to the same plan.

But thank God there are such things as elections in the USA, because if we see a mayor/governor/president/etc doing a bad job we can try to elect someone that has a better financial plan in the future.



I do not believe that the average person is smart enough, or even willing to contribute to the greater good on their own, so politicians are needed to help guide the masses, and the masses try their best to elect who best represents their needs and values.


Really isn't that bad of a system, yet to see any historical proof of any other system working better. (most countries that are consider 1st world follow systems really close to how the US is run, just with minor differences and different party names, but they all have taxes and elections.)

[UberAlles]

you could always go live off the grid and not pay taxes.

louis theroux has a documentary on it called "survivalists." these people live with their family off the grid, pay no taxes but still have fairly normal lifestyles.

check it out here
http://watchdocumentary.org/watch/lo...d64b9abd5.html

so OP if you're so passionate about it why dont you follow in their footsteps? or are you too big of a pussay

[FoxMcCocks]

America doesn't suck because the taxes are too high, America sucks because there are so many fcking retards that live here like the OP

[SgtGucci]

That's funny, because I remember America BOOMING with PROSPERITY when there were NO TAXES.

I know jack**** about America's history, but I sure as hell know that's it's a much nicer country than mine. Wanna know why? Because the **** that makes headlines in the US is one cop killing a dude, when in here, it's cops killing 43 students.

Now shut the **** up and enjoy the **** you have.

[MasterYomega]

strong consistency in numbers

[Cesarbruh]

Age: 13

Is all that needs to be said here.


Taxes go into maintaining and improving society (schools, roads, police, research, defense etc), and I am glad the government works in a way that makes everyone contribute to the greater good.

The problem lies in how the taxes are used, and how much taxes are actually needed. That's the main thing politicians argue, debate, and make proposals on, it is just very difficult to get everyone to agree to the same plan.

But thank God there are such things as elections in the USA, because if we see a mayor/governor/president/etc doing a bad job we can try to elect someone that has a better financial plan in the future.



I do not believe that the average person is smart enough, or even willing to contribute to the greater good on their own, so politicians are needed to help guide the masses, and the masses try their best to elect who best represents their needs and values.


Really isn't that bad of a system, yet to see any historical proof of any other system working better. (most countries that are consider 1st world follow systems really close to how the US is run, just with minor differences and different party names, but they all have taxes and elections.)

Lol come on man, don't fool yourself. We've had sh*t president after sh*t president, educated voters are a small minority in America.

you could always go live off the grid and not pay taxes.

louis theroux has a documentary on it called "survivalists." these people live with their family off the grid, pay no taxes but still have fairly normal lifestyles.

check it out here
http://watchdocumentary.org/watch/lo...d64b9abd5.html

so OP if you're so passionate about it why dont you follow in their footsteps? or are you too big of a pussay

inb4 into the wild, no thanks

I know jack**** about America's history, but I sure as hell know that's it's a much nicer country than mine. Wanna know why? Because the **** that makes headlines in the US is one cop killing a dude, when in here, it's cops killing 43 students.

Now shut the **** up and enjoy the **** you have.

lmfao you fking idiot, the reason why such a tragedy happened in Mexico is because of fken government. The reason why the cartel have the power and influence they do is because of government. American government policies are part of the reason why you country's suffering so much. But go ahead and praise us and bash those whose views would actually make your country and our country a better place.

[20Mavs11]

You're forgetting trillions sent to foreign nations, free health care for illegal immigrants, free education for illegal immigrants, millions of overpaid government "employees" who do next to nothing at work (Have you been to the DMV lately?), massively abused welfare, food stamps, housing assistance by people who are perfectly capable of work yet simply will not try, ad nauseum.

How could it be that the average working american loses 35-40+% of their income in direct taxes, followed by more in indirect taxes (sales tax, "sin" taxes, yes the government gets a huge portion of the money you spend on alcohol and tobacco) yet our education system has managed to crumple to absolute ruins, we have some of the most substandard roads in the western world, our healthcare system is a fraudulent joke, etc. Also and last but not least, taxation without representation. Last I checked, if your voice is anything deviating from what you hear spewing out of the mouths of television broadcasters, you might as well yell into a pillow.

Looking good America.

Extreme claims. Can you back up those numbers?

Also, I don't remember ever spending 40% in taxes. I have all pay stubs and forms of income documented (Easier for tax return season).


One basic macroeconomics class at your local college can help out majority of you in this thread. Don't knock college when you don't even understand how taxes work.

[IPoopStandingUp]

It's selfish and entitled to halt your own exploitation?

Communal values should be thus: contribute by pulling your weight or leave.




You think they're less?

Add it up:
Federal tax
State/provincial tax
Property tax (it's in your rent if you don't own a house)
Sales tax
Gasoline/alcohol/gambling/etc surtaxes
+ EI you never collect
+ health plans that fat people use the most
+ mandatory pension contributions you'll never see

i added up my federal tax, state income tax, property tax, no sales tax in this state. equal to 19.6% for me. thankfully this will be lower than that though, because i am getting most of my state taxes back plus a return on my federal tax.

i doubt alcohol, gasoline, gambling will add up to another 30%

[Tickyouup]

how much does the US spend on defence as a proportion of tax revenue?

inb4 'theyre keeping you safe'.

not to mention the $400million that goes to Israel

[eglionz]

Theft is anything but fair.

So what is fair from your perspective then? Genuinely curious.