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11-15-2014, 09:17 AM #361
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11-15-2014, 09:21 AM #362
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11-15-2014, 09:22 AM #363
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I wonder if he knows this sh*t costs pennies to manufacture? The "free" product you get for just the shipping costs is probably paid for in the shipping costs. That's the same model used in TV infomercial crap. Wow! What a deal! If you don't like it you get your money back (minus shipping (the shipping more than paid for the crap product) )!
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11-15-2014, 09:23 AM #364
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brb "Oh you have interviewing experience? Can you tell me a bit more about that?" uhhh...I drove people around all day to figure out if they're cool...
brb "Oh you have managing experience? Can you tell me a bit more about that?"
Knowing how a real job interview works, notevenonce
Once again, you did nothing to actually address my points, all you did was level your own judgment, and the reassert that it's "clear curt from the start" (lol) that not everyone will make it, but it's not clear, they tell you that everyone else OUTSIDE the company won't make it. They try to make you feel special and empowered and part of the "make it" club because here you are in the ICL! Doing games! Learning! Leader meetings! Ringing bells! Hitting the field! Interviewing! See? You're gonna make it brah! They don't make it clear that not everyone who accepts the job will make it. If they actually made that clear, it would be more clear that by taking the job, you have a greater probability of NOT ACTUALLY MAKING IT VS MAKING IT. That's exactly why they DON'T make that clear. Anyone with any intelligence would realize that.
Idk why I'm wasting my time, you aren't actually engaging in discourse, you just keep trying to sector yourself off. "It's ok, it's ok, they're just not like me. They'll never understand. They'll never be great."
Your responses reek of self-assurance, ignorance, and blind acceptance.*Korea Krew* *MMMC*
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11-15-2014, 09:32 AM #365
If this is your best rationale for why Vemma's not a pyramid scheme, you're going to have to try harder. This logic doesn't work.
So Enron wasn't running a massive scam for years because they were still in operation? What about Bernie Madoff? Since the SEC didn't shut him down for 20+ years, he must have been running a legitimate business all those years, huh? It takes years and years for the FTC/SEC to shut these scams down...read up on Burnlounge and Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing.
The Italian government ruled that Vemma is in fact a pyramid scheme. So Vemma's a pyramid scheme in Italy, but not in the US?
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11-15-2014, 09:41 AM #366
I literally lost a friend over one of these deals, and well, because I'm an *******.
His ****ing sloot tried recruiting my wife, and his sloot poised it as a friendly hang out. Me, doing that 5am to 2:00pm grind got called at like ****ing 10pm to some domb sloot could pitch me on this bull****, so I said the usual, "Show me your W2, let me see a pay stub, let me see your YTD earnings.", and she folded like a lawn chair.
Wife came home, and forget her sweater at the random persons house.
I proceeded to be an ******* for a month asking for her cheap sweater back..
Boom, went NC.
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11-15-2014, 09:45 AM #367
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11-15-2014, 09:49 AM #368
Every company is a pyramid scheme
Brb 1 ceo makes x millions of dollars
Handful of Upper management makes low millions or mid-high hundreds of thousands
A little bit more Mid management makes six figures
A lot more Low managers make close to six
About the same as low managersHighest technical workers make close to six
Lot of Mid technical workers make above national average
Vast majority of people are Low technical workers make average to below average
Looks a bit like a pyramid right?
Lettuce be reality the problem people have is the weird feeling you get when people are trying to sell you something. Question is once they figure out a more organic way of getting you involved will you still say no?
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11-15-2014, 09:54 AM #369
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11-15-2014, 09:55 AM #370
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11-15-2014, 09:58 AM #371
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11-15-2014, 09:59 AM #372
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11-15-2014, 10:05 AM #373
True, but a lot of those people with technical/management skills paid for an education that put them in debt and end up paying that debt well into ther 50s.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ear-limit.html
Seems pretty negative to me.
Why can't the average person admit that the vast majority of people have been led into a financial trap that will keep them stuck enjoying their job for long hours every year just so that they can spend their prime years getting out of debt.
There are smart people that figured out how to take advantageage of you and they are raking in money hand over fist while you focus on your degree, parties, slaying bitches.
Just because the majority of people do it doesn't make it smart.Last edited by EZ-Bar; 11-15-2014 at 10:12 AM.
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11-15-2014, 10:10 AM #374
Most start up businesses lose money for a few years before they break even.
I'm just playing devils advocate here I don't do any of this. I'm an engineer. But I would be willing to bet that those 86% got sold on a free handout and thought money would be thrown at them just by signing up and waiting around for six months. They probably suck more at talking to people and haven't had good mentors teach them ways of selling people.
Just like 80-90% of people in normal careers barely advance because they don't have good mentors or coaches or people telling them how to make more and be more valuable.
That and the vast majority of people are lazy.
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11-15-2014, 10:18 AM #375
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11-15-2014, 10:18 AM #376
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11-15-2014, 10:22 AM #377
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11-15-2014, 10:25 AM #378
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11-15-2014, 10:27 AM #379
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11-15-2014, 10:52 AM #380
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11-15-2014, 11:07 AM #381
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11-15-2014, 11:34 AM #382
And yet it's nearly the same thing as everything else where you spend your money except FACTUALLY better for you? It's all relative and in this case irrelevant.
Maybe because no one knew what Madoff was doing? The fact that you compared Vemma to Bernie Madoff means you still have absolutely no clue what you'e talking about.
As far as being considered a pyramid scheme in Italy... You do realized that it was resolved? And their logic was the business was free so it would be dumb to just be a customer lol. Vemma operates in Italy with no problems.
Sounds like you're just a ****ty friend. You could have simply said it was not for me and left. From their perspective, they thought they could help you make a secondary income and offered you that chance. And whatever income they make, are you saying it determines yours? What they make shouldn't matter! And of course she shouldn't be making much money, she just started. God some of you are so dumb.
But you can't more than the people above you in corporate america. In Network Marketing I make more than a lot of people who have me in their business who are my uplines.
Note that one is a job and the other is a business.
This is good, but not exactly. Many don't succeed not because they were "promised" easy money, but because they aren't confident in what they're doing. If you don't believe in what you're doing you can't possibly transfer belief to another person. They tell themselves all these "what if" scenarios and are afraid they're bothering people so they don't do anything. They lack skills, and they just weren't the greatest people before they started Network Marketing. Jarrod Wilkins says you're either rewarded or punished in your first year of Network Marketing based on who you were before you started.
As a leader, it's my responsibility to help people launch their business the correct way and give them every chance to succeed. But if they don't go to the gym and put in the workout with my workout plan, is it my fault or theirs for not getting results?
I own my own business. Read Business of the 21st Century.
Average is taught. So is above average. As far as Network Marketing goes, you can be HIGHLY profitable from the start. Most people aren't, but like you said most people suck. The average person doesn't even give an opportunity 1 good shot. You should expect to earn a lot of money very quickly if you have good mentors and you're willing to do the work.
You're 100% wrong.
Thanks for your opinion. Sounds like you don't believe you would be good at it so therefore you wouldn't be.
Read Business of the 21st Century. It's free online.
Absolutely you have to work hard. But I'd rather work hard for myself than for someone else any day.
I don't drink their energy drinks that often, they have a fitness line with a RTD shake coming out with a great macronutrient profile. I use all their stuff for working out. And I don't sell anything. Do I need to explain the movie analogy?
Do you understand the CashFlow Quadrant?
Well, I hang out with the top incomers in the company very often like every week multiple times. I've even gotten to speak on stage with them at 1000+ people regionals. I even play Super Smash Brothers with them lol. They work their asses off.
Still waiting on someone to try to explain why Les Brown, Jim Rohn, Holton Buggs and Art Williams are dummies and scammers since they do Network Marketing. Can anyone do it?355 Bench
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11-15-2014, 11:39 AM #383
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11-15-2014, 11:41 AM #384
True Story:
I was leaving class (community college) and walking towards the parking garage. Mind you, this is late in the evening and dark outside and I was in professional attire because I attend classes after work. This young Asian guy came up to me and said that I looked way out of scene and asked if I worked at the school. Basically starting a conversation he said theres a conference nearby where you can join an "elite" group of people having the same mindset selling a product niche. I said I MIGHT be interested. He took my name and number. He was well dressed too, he said he came out of work too. I never went to the confernece after I looked up the company's name and did some research. Obviously a MLM pyramid scheme.TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT
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11-15-2014, 12:20 PM #385
Repped
This.
You know beyond nothing about creating/starting your own business. 0. Zilch. Nadda.
You think you can spend spend $500 on a 'builder package' and now you are your own business?
At this point I truly believe phillyfreak is trolling, has to be.Fantasy Football Team (1ppr) - http://i.imgur.com/o4i4xs3.png
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11-15-2014, 12:44 PM #386
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11-15-2014, 01:16 PM #387
BTW, the mlm **** works - a guy on FB always checks in and posts about how he's going on tips for the wake up now bull****, and people take the ****ing bait every time.
I always ask how much they're making a week, and reply smugly, "I couldn't afford my house on that small of a check" and they get super butthurt!
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11-15-2014, 01:35 PM #388
Name one legitimate company that openly advertises that anyone can work for them.
Name one legitimate company that doesn't require an application and a lengthy interview process.
Name one legitimate company that requires its "employees" to pay the company money to work for them.
Name one legitimate company where most of its "employees" do not even make minimum wage.
Name one legitimate company that holds massive conferences to recruit "employees".
Name one legitimate company that tries to convince you they are legitimate.
You can't.
The product you sell is a marketing tactic to convince you that Vemma is legitimate, when, in reality, if their product was worth standing behind they either would have sold the brand to another company or started their own beverage company because that would have been more profitable. Instead, they run a "Network Marketing Business" whose primary objective is to exponentially increase profits by suckering more and more people in.
I know I'm not going to get through to you, and honestly, I have better things to do. You're hanging out with the 'top sellers' and making speeches at conferences. It's likely you weren't doing much before this and you're really impressed with all their hype which was not organic, but purposely designed to suck people in. You're drinking that cool-aid hard. It's a shame because you are clearly motivated and probably not a bad salesmen. You'd make infinitely more money if you were a salesperson at Verizon Wireless or any other legitimate company - not to mention healthcare, dental care, 401k etc. You could even put in on your resume which you can't seriously do with Vemma.
One day you'll learn that nothing worthwhile comes to you, you have to seek it out. Hot, busty women just don't appear in my bed. Goldman Sachs doesn't go door-to-door looking for investment bankers. No one with a legitimate business idea goes out of their way to include others, distributing their potential profits.Interested in joining the military? ----> Militaryaptitudetests.com
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11-15-2014, 01:37 PM #389
Uhh so is going to school, coming out of school with tens of thousands of dollars in debt then working a job that is unrelated to your degree for the next 20 years trying to pay it off.
Again 3/4 graduates don't pay off their loans until they are 50.
How is that not the biggest scam of all.
75% of people... 75% are paying there student loans until they are 50
I'm not defending pyramid schemes. I'm simply highlighting the fact that most companies are pyramid schemes they are just better hiding at it, and there is a very simple system of keeping you in debt and unhappy.
It's up to you to educate yourself (for free btw) on how not to fall into that trap. I respect people that join pyramids for the simple fact that at least they have the nuts to decide that they don't want to live in debt the rest of their life.
While they may not earn a ton a of money and will most likely quit at least they still won't want to go back into the rat race and will continue to be creative.
you guys deserve to get robbed of your money if you just assume your going to live extraordinary lives doing ordinary things.
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11-15-2014, 02:10 PM #390
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Le sigh.
Why does this happen to most people? Because today's generation is lazy and lives outside their means. They also pick stupid areas of study that have minimal jobs on the market. Add all that up and of course you will be paying off debt forever.
The fact remains that legit companies pay almost all their employees livable wages. Meaning even with student loan payments you can survive. Compare that to Vemma where 97% of their "associates" don't. Hell 86% don't even make over 3000. That is the difference. Not to mention the fact that legit companies sell a product or service they don't sell the right to sell the right to sell a product or service.
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