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    Of 10 highest IQ's on Earth, 8 of them are Theists, at least 6 are Christians

    http://www.examiner.com/article/of-1...are-christians


    1) Andrew Magdy Kamal - apparently the highest IQ ever recorded, at 231.734. This was accomplished last year (2013) just before he turned 17. This includes an adjustment made for his age (which is done routinely for minors), so only time will tell if he maintains his position, but he is listed in Record Holder's Republic for Highest IQ and Highest IQ average, and it looks pretty good. He is a he is a staunch conservative and a member of the Republican Tea Party. He is also the founder of the Coptic Orthodox Messianicans Group. Andrew Magdy Kamal hopes to use his talents and intelligence to spread the news of Messiah Yeshua (Jesus Christ) his hero, and he lives in Michigan.


    2) Abdessellam Jelloul - apparently the highest IQ ever scored by an adult in the "advanced IQ test" was by Jelloul, who scored an adult IQ of 198. This was in a 2012 test which included 13 dimensions of intelligence (analytical, spatial, logical, memory, musical, linguistic, philosophical, moral, spiritual, interpersonal, intra-personal, bodily and naturalist). Unlike other tests, the advanced IQ test includes more measures that other tests cannot assess. I tweeted Mr. Jelloul a question about his beliefs in September of last year, and he graciously replied to me that he does "believe in God, a Supreme Architect of the universe"


    3) Christopher Michael Langan - has a verified IQ of at least 195. Langan achieved a perfect score on the SAT, but dropped out of Montana State University after concluding his professors weren't qualified to teach him anything. ABC's 20/20 measured his IQ (as an adult) to be between 195 and 210. Langan has indicated in his writings numerous that he believes in God, for example, in William Dembski's book "Uncommon Dissent", he wrote: "...since Biblical accounts of the genesis of our world and species are true but metaphorical, our task is to correctly decipher the metaphor in light of scientific evidence also given to us by God".


    4) Terence Tao - his IQ was estimated to be between 220 and 230 by the Davidson Institute when he was about ten years old. At eight years old, Tao achieved a score of 760 on the pre-1995 SAT, received a Ph.D from Princeton at 20 and at 24 became the youngest ever full professor at UCLA. I couldn't find anything about Tao's metaphysical views. He's obviously a tremendous mathematician, but doesn't seem to post much outside of mathematics.


    5) Christopher Hirata - has a verified IQ of 225, calculated when he was in his teens. Hirata skipped middle school, and at 16 was working with NASA on a project exploring the possibility of colonizing Mars. The Daily Princetonian, Princeton's student paper, where Hirata began attending for his PhD in Astrophysics at 18, reported that his IQ is around 225. Hirata posted the following to his Facebook on October 31, 2013: "Today's experience: saying the Lord's prayer with a homeless couple on Colorado Boulevard. It may not feed or shelter them, but I hope that it made a difference in their lives." So he is clearly both a Theist and a Christian.


    6) Evangelos Katsioulis - has apparently scored a 198 as an adult. Katsioulis is a Greek Doctor/Psychiatrist/Philosopher who has publicly referred to his belief in human souls several times. For example, he did a lecture in 2008 called "BODY AND SOUL", and made clear that he wasn't speaking metaphorically in it with lines like: "The soul is not the body. It is not the flesh. It is the spirit." He is apparently a follower of a strand of Christianity influenced by Teilhard de Chardin.


    7) Rick Rosner - has apparently scored a 192 as an adult, after years of honing his IQ test-taking skills. Has been a writer for the Jimmy Kimmel Show, and appeared on "So You Want to be A Millionaire". Rosner denied that he was an atheist on Twitter, after an inquiry. He also retweeted this Einstein quote: "God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically" and in answer to the question "You know there's a God?" he answered "Maybe. Suspect there's an infinity of gods".


    8) Mislav Predavec - has apparently scored a 192 as an adult. [Update - I initially had the wrong quote linked here]. His Christianity can easily be confirmed by a beautiful response he wrote to a friend who had become a Christian in one of the groups he belongs to and which was posted online:

    "David, I am so glad hearing good news about your convalescence, and more about your enlightenment, you are aware now that your suffer and pain, your giftedness and sense are a part of plan. Truly, all this can´t exist without being leading it intentionally. Atheistic explanation that everything is accidental progress is full of holes. Stay well my friend.

    Mislav"


    9) Gary Kasparov - is alleged to have an IQ of 190. He was perhaps the most universally attested-to as a top-shelf intellect, so it was unthinkable to leave him off of this list. In 2003 Kasparov played to a draw against a chess computer that could calculate three million positions per second. He is considered by many to be the greatest chess player of all time. Kasparov has described himself as a "self-appointed Christian"


    10) Kenneth Ferrell - has apparently scored a 190 as an adult. If I have located the right Kenneth Ferrell online, it's abundantly clear from his own words that he's a Christian. Since I'm not sure, I didn't include him in my count of believers.
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    Anybody can be brainwashed especially at a young age - we all believed in santa, the tooth fairy, easter bunny, etc. until an age where when we questioned whether or not these things existed and were likely told they didn't. You don't get the same response questioning religion. Therefore this doesn't really mean a lot.
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    Originally Posted by HammZ View Post
    Anybody can be brainwashed especially at a young age - we all believed in santa, the tooth fairy, easter bunny, etc. until an age where when we questioned whether or not these things existed and were likely told they didn't. You don't get the same response questioning religion. Therefore this doesn't really mean a lot.
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    All that intellect and they are all still working for 'the man'.

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    Obviously their titanic intellects couldnt save them from being brainwashed sheep, unable to think for themselves.


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    But srsly, I think anyone who studies the issue at sufficient length will inevitably reach similar conclusions and the superficial appeal of any alternative.
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    ...written by Steve Williams. Who is he?

    Steve Williams, is head of the Reasonable Faith Honolulu chapter and author of "What Your Atheist Professor Doesn't Know (But Should) and "The Skeptics' Guide to Eternal Bliss" (Lulu.com; 2009) Steve is married and currently raising two kids in Honolulu. A Moorpark College and U.H. Manoa graduate, Steve has been a licensed real estate agent since 1996, and was an Elder and Prayer Deacon at a local church for several years. He is also an avid guitarist, and has written numerous articles for local newspapers and websites. Steve is a voracious reader, with interests in Philosophy, Theology and American Law, and his theological writings have been used to teach at Oceania Theological Seminary.


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    intelligence does not equal knowledge OP.
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    Originally Posted by CalmWind View Post

    9) Gary Kasparov - is alleged to have an IQ of 190. He was perhaps the most universally attested-to as a top-shelf intellect, so it was unthinkable to leave him off of this list. In 2003 Kasparov played to a draw against a chess computer that could calculate three million positions per second. He is considered by many to be the greatest chess player of all time. Kasparov has described himself as a "self-appointed Christian"
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    Originally Posted by USAPump View Post
    All that intellect and they are all still working for 'the man'.

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    lulz

    most people "work for the man"

    smart people who "work for the man" just tend to make more money and have more options when doing so
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    Basically the whole body minus chest and biceps... pretty much the opposite of what your local gym looks like on a typical Monday.
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    Originally Posted by zakatak333 View Post
    lulz

    most people "work for the man"

    smart people who "work for the man" just tend to make more money and have more options when doing so

    These guys aren't "most people" though
    The above post is 100% false
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    Are 5/10 of them American? The odds of half the 10 smartest people in the world being American are pretty small.
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    appeal to authority, correlation fallacy, skewed sample... op i expected better.
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    The appeal to authority is an invalid charge. OP has not argued for the truth of any particular position based solely on an authorities opinion on it.

    These people are not unanimously authoritative on any one subject either. They all simply have high IQ.

    The OP would be making the argument that very intelligent people can be theists, not that authorities claim it is true therefore we should believe them.


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    Originally Posted by USAPump View Post
    All that intellect and they are all still working for 'the man'.

    Interesting
    Intellect has nothing to do with power and success.
    Ambition and gangster behavior does

    As to the thread at hand....I have been saying the same thing on this forum for ages but it seems many Americans cant comprehend that religious people can be quite smart (because many religious people are backwards in USA).

    I am not even religious. I am catholic but not very "believing" and more agnostic.
    That said I find it utterly preposterous to think that Religion automatically = Stupidity.
    In history numerous men believed in God and were geniuses. Most of the Greek masters were, as were Roman philosophers. Most renaissance masters were also.

    Let's put it this way.
    Religion can attract idiocy.
    But among religion there is also intelligence.
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    Op, you reposted your own repost.


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    I bet they all accept evolutionary theory too, CalmWind. But you don't?
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    Top 2 are Arab.

    Inb4 White Nationalist Nazis jump off a cliff

    edit: 2nd guy is originally from my city
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    Lol at all top 10 IQ's. There's probably some math teacher, teaching 5th graders in Russia that has the highest IQ. IQ does not equate to knowledge.
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    Originally Posted by Tha big kahoona View Post
    Top 2 are Arab.

    Inb4 White Nationalist Nazis jump off a cliff

    edit: 2nd guy is originally from my city
    Strong subliminal hint of an inferiority complex.
    "HAH. Top guys are Arabs. My people must be good".
    Lmao pathetic.

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    Originally Posted by Anondragon2012 View Post
    Strong subliminal hint of an inferiority complex.
    "HAH. Top guys are Arabs. My people must be good".
    Lmao pathetic.

    PS: Alot of those high IQ arabs live in White Western countries...That tells you something about their countries of origin. Hilarious.

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    There are professors and academics who deny evolution, global warming, HIV - AIDS connection, who believe in paranormal phenomena, alien visitors, etc. Just because they are very intelligent it doesn't mean that they do not believe in false and absurd things such as God or religion. The fact that they believe in this bs is enough to deduct at least 50 IQ points from them.
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    This is not an appeal to authority. It is simply saying very intelligent people believe in god.

    two more things:

    Atheistic naturalism is absurd, not theism

    im going to remember this "false and absurd" line next time someone tries to pass off atheism as mere 'lack of belief'
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    Just so I understand what OP is arguing.

    Very intelligent people believe in God, thus, we know that God exists? Is that the argument being made?
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    Originally Posted by boseador View Post
    There are professors and academics who deny evolution, global warming, HIV - AIDS connection, who believe in paranormal phenomena, alien visitors, etc. Just because they are very intelligent it doesn't mean that they do not believe in false and absurd things such as God or religion. The fact that they believe in this bs is enough to deduct at least 50 IQ points from them.
    People who usually qualify things as "False and absurd" are not very high level themselves, especially discussing a topic as complex as religion.
    I am agnostic myself...And have had complex spiritual discussions with Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc...That I often do not have with a superficial Western Atheist full of himself (not all atheists are like this of course).

    Have you even read the arguments in favor or against Theism from ancient philosophers such as Plato or Aristotle?
    Both sides have genius in them. You cannot call any of such belief as false and absurd just because its your own private narrow view.
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    Originally Posted by MangoPort View Post
    Just so I understand what OP is arguing.

    Very intelligent people believe in God, thus, we know that God exists? Is that the argument being made?
    Quote someone making that argument. I didnt see it anywhere.
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    Originally Posted by Athanasius90 View Post
    This is not an appeal to authority. It is simply saying very intelligent people believe in god.

    two more things:

    Atheistic naturalism is absurd, not theism

    im going to remember this "false and absurd" line next time someone tries to pass off atheism as mere 'lack of belief'
    Get it tattooed so you never forget it brah.
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    You can tell when atheists are supremely rustled once they start creating dem strawmen .

    middle eastern Christian master race.
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    Originally Posted by homicidal_misc View Post
    You can tell when atheists are supremely rustled once they start creating dem strawmen .

    middle eastern Christian master race.
    What strawman?
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