AMP Citrate???

[robert5891]

Just came across this today during my daily reading into the latest/greatest nutrition & supplement news and found this interesting...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ents/16827669/

I currently use WFR as my pre-workout and it doesn't contain AMP-citrate nor does the sample packet of Neurosurge 3.0 that I saving to use for my Back workout on Friday. Anyone have any experience with this ingredient in the pre-workouts or thoughts if it is as dangerous as the article is making it out to be?

[TheIronAsylum]

someone cliff the article

[DASBUNKER]

There's no solid answer since there's isn't much safety data AFAIK..

I tell ya hwat m8, won't be genie pigging this ****

[LoudyRowdy]

There's no solid answer since there's isn't much safety data AFAIK..

I tell ya hwat m8, won't be genie pigging this ****

But poncho, some claimed Amp but tests show none

[joodabop]

But poncho, some claimed Amp but tests show none

And now said products are being featuring in "blowout" sales.

Can't pass up a great deal, even if you have no clue what your purchasing I guess.

[TMac26]

Allison Young needs some "Amp Citrate"

[luxor92]

Cliffs:
No real research done on humans as to effects of AMp Citrate, which closely resembles DMAA, and is arguably being sold as a "replacement" to DMAA
Proprietary Blends are dangerous because users dont know how much they are getting
Study found various levels of AMP citrate in the supps they tested, with Ampilean by lecheek having the most, about 120mg.
The researchers are calling for action but have heard nothing from FDA or CRN: "But the council has heard nothing from the FDA, said Steve Mister, CRN president. Mister said this is a clear-cut case where the agency has the authority to act swiftly because AMP Citrate does not appear to have been used as a dietary ingredient prior to a 1994 supplement law. If companies want to sell "new" dietary ingredients, they must file paperwork with the FDA in advance of selling their products."

Cahill made Frenzy with AMP citrate in it and sites it as coming from a Pouchong Tea but only two articles were found to state that the chemical can be found in TRACE quantities in the tea, and these articles did not offer concrete evidence for those statements.

"Even if the compound were present in the amount indicated in one of the papers, supplement makers would need at least 2,200 pounds of tea to extract just 12 mg of the compound — showing the substance has never been in human diets at the dosages being put in the supplements, he said."

GNC and Vitamine Shoppe have removed sale of certain products, such as White Heat from online sale.

Amp citrate is also known as DMBA, and health effects have only been studied in cats and dogs and found to mimic DMAA in a less potent manner.

FDA needs to file a freedom of Information act request which can take months to find if any users have reported adverse side effects within the US.


actual study: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1.../dta.1735/full

[eatyourspinach]

VPX says it's fine http://fitness.vpxsports.com/usa-tod...-and-deception

[afi140]

Cliffs:
No real research done on humans as to effects of AMp Citrate, which closely resembles DMAA, and is arguably being sold as a "replacement" to DMAA
Proprietary Blends are dangerous because users dont know how much they are getting
Study found various levels of AMP citrate in the supps they tested, with Ampilean by lecheek having the most, about 120mg.
The researchers are calling for action but have heard nothing from FDA or CRN: "But the council has heard nothing from the FDA, said Steve Mister, CRN president. Mister said this is a clear-cut case where the agency has the authority to act swiftly because AMP Citrate does not appear to have been used as a dietary ingredient prior to a 1994 supplement law. If companies want to sell "new" dietary ingredients, they must file paperwork with the FDA in advance of selling their products."

Cahill made Frenzy with AMP citrate in it and sites it as coming from a Pouchong Tea but only two articles were found to state that the chemical can be found in TRACE quantities in the tea, and these articles did not offer concrete evidence for those statements.

"Even if the compound were present in the amount indicated in one of the papers, supplement makers would need at least 2,200 pounds of tea to extract just 12 mg of the compound — showing the substance has never been in human diets at the dosages being put in the supplements, he said."

GNC and Vitamine Shoppe have removed sale of certain products, such as White Heat from online sale.

Amp citrate is also known as DMBA, and health effects have only been studied in cats and dogs and found to mimic DMAA in a less potent manner.

FDA needs to file a freedom of Information act request which can take months to find if any users have reported adverse side effects within the US.


actual study: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1.../dta.1735/full

Those cliffs are as long as the article

[luxor92]

its just the deceptive length of the quotes i put in i swear xD

[afi140]

its just the deceptive length of the quotes i put in i swear xD

Lol. I know I'm just messing. I enjoy amp. It will disappear too, unfortunately

[luxor92]

Lol. I know I'm just messing. I enjoy amp. It will disappear too, unfortunately

haha, yeah most likely, I tried to not be biased, personally I used maybe 4 tubs of white heat since it came out and hav to say it was good

my issue is actually more so with the proprietary blends and the fact that some supps apparently claimed to have it yet tests found they did not. wether or not this is proven empirically im not sure but I feel all should be stated, and leave it to the consumer to make his or her own choice.

[ChrisLS8]

VPX says it's fine http://fitness.vpxsports.com/usa-tod...-and-deception

Appears after fermentation in trace amounts. It doesnt have an NDI in any case.

Ive used it and liked the effects but the studies grasp at invisible straws.

[Khwaj]

Fear mongering is whats going on by the media

its a stim, so treat it as such, moderation is the key to it
even with low dose caffeine, ppl dont respond to it well
no offence, but i hate it when ppl OD on stims and the stim is to be blamed by the media instead of the user
like over here down under an 18 year old kid died from OD on caffeine, not 100% sure but i think he had equivalent of maybe 20-30 cups of coffee worth of caffeine in his system at the time and media is shifting the blame on caffeine and how dangerous it is

but back on topic
DMBA gives caffeine a kick when used together, not as strong as DMAA though
tolerance is another issue as you build it up rather quickly like DMAA, but so far using it, i didnt experience the dreaded crash i got when i last used jack3d when it was still legal

[TheIronAsylum]

what supps had amp in them?

[OffSeasonJunky]

According to the study, DMBA was detected in 12 supplements. Here are those popping up in this forum: Redline White Heat 76 mg per serving, MD2 Meltdown 110 mg per serving, Decimate Amplified 49 mg per serving, Frenzy 110 mg per serving, Evol 13 mg per serving. AMP Citrate by Genomyx didnt have any in it, again according to the study. So one could ask what the **** is in it?

[bencarpenter]

Genomyx offered credit for people who sent their tubs back in.

I messaged them, expressed my disappointment and asked if I could return them to the retailer as I live in the UK.

They said no, I had to send it to them.

I said that would cost almost as much as I paid for them. I can provide proof of purchase and return it to the retailer.

They said no, I had to send it to them.

I pointed out what I felt was poor customer service to not give the option to send it back to a legitimate UK retailer when an article allegedly claimed they couldn't detect any amounts of a key ingredient in the product.

Still nothing.

Top quality service.

[Superfly1]

There is a slight error... AMP citrate isnt DMBA, DMBA is the HCL version of Amp Cit... its twice the strength and 4 times sweeter to the taste

[newtothelift]

There is a slight error... AMP citrate isnt DMBA, DMBA is the HCL version of Amp Cit... its twice the strength and 4 times sweeter to the taste

So I'm guessing this accounts for the huge differences in dosages in the article?

[luxor92]

There is a slight error... AMP citrate isnt DMBA, DMBA is the HCL version of Amp Cit... its twice the strength and 4 times sweeter to the taste

Rebuttal!!!

[LoudyRowdy]

Genomyx offered credit for people who sent their tubs back in.

I messaged them, expressed my disappointment and asked if I could return them to the retailer as I live in the UK.

They said no, I had to send it to them.

I said that would cost almost as much as I paid for them. I can provide proof of purchase and return it to the retailer.

They said no, I had to send it to them.

I pointed out what I felt was poor customer service to not give the option to send it back to a legitimate UK retailer when an article allegedly claimed they couldn't detect any amounts of a key ingredient in the product.

Still nothing.

Top quality service.

Those guys in the Ozarks

[aaronuconn]

Alison Young >

(Serious).

[VicMackey92]

Companys need to send money to us

brb guinea pig for ethamphetamine

brb guinea pig for amp citrate

[PricePlow]

The sad thing is that it's still rather unconvincing that DMAA is that dangerous when used properly.

AMP Citrate feels pretty good, but there is literally zero research on it. If you're conservative, then don't use it.

[ucsumma]

The sad thing is that it's still rather unconvincing that DMAA is that dangerous when used properly.

AMP Citrate feels pretty good, but there is literally zero research on it. If you're conservative, then don't use it.

^100% this.

#Bought10TubsofWhiteHeatCrew

[robert5891]

^100% this.

#Bought10TubsofWhiteHeatCrew

Any adverse reactions when using a pre-workout with AMP Citrate in it? I was digging through some samples of various pre's I have, and one of them does contain it. I haven't tried it yet, b/c I wasn't sure of it effects.

[BenBlue]

dear lord, all this fear mongering by the media, and reps who's companies don't use AMP.

It's a bloody stim, one that is reportedly less potent then DMAA. I think it's pretty clear at this point that the issues with DMAA were blown way out of proportion as well. We prescribe stimulants/amphetamines that are way more potent then AMP, to not only adults, but children.

"oh, but minimal studies......" pffft. There have been more then enough studies done on stimulants that are very similar in chemical compound, and many of the substances that are much more potent, have been deemed as safe.

[joodabop]

Any adverse reactions when using a pre-workout with AMP Citrate in it? I was digging through some samples of various pre's I have, and one of them does contain it. I haven't tried it yet, b/c I wasn't sure of it effects.

No adverse reactions to the PRE is used with Amp, but don't expect anything special either.

[TMac26]

I don't recall any studies on DMAA either.


Yet people were clamoring for it.

[carguy123]

Any adverse reactions when using a pre-workout with AMP Citrate in it? I was digging through some samples of various pre's I have, and one of them does contain it. I haven't tried it yet, b/c I wasn't sure of it effects.

Use Amp Citrate a bunch of time, no adverse reactions at all. TBH really nothing special to me, much prefer DMAA >>>>>>>> Amp Citrate