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    Heard about this recently, and it makes you wonder....

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    Wonder about what?
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    If a massive earthquake hit the west coast, if it would in fact have devastating effects as the article suggests, on the rest of the country. My mind can't wrap around that, I guess. lol
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    Originally Posted by whatevergirl View Post
    If a massive earthquake hit the west coast, if it would in fact have devastating effects as the article suggests, on the rest of the country. My mind can't wrap around that, I guess. lol
    No, it wouldn't. There might be a few places where energy gets concentrated further off from the epicenter than you'd expect, but for the most part the energy of an earthquake drops of exponentially with distance. A big quake on the San Andreas fault would actually propagate less effectively than one in the Pacific Northwest, as San Andreas quakes tend to be shallower than those of subduction zones. There'd be widespread local devastation, but it wouldn't spread out far beyond the fault.

    On the other hand, a big deep quake under the Cascades could pulverize several cities if the location and depth are just right. Or wrong.
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    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    No, it wouldn't. There might be a few places where energy gets concentrated further off from the epicenter than you'd expect, but for the most part the energy of an earthquake drops of exponentially with distance. A big quake on the San Andreas fault would actually propagate less effectively than one in the Pacific Northwest, as San Andreas quakes tend to be shallower than those of subduction zones. There'd be widespread local devastation, but it wouldn't spread out far beyond the fault.

    On the other hand, a big deep quake under the Cascades could pulverize several cities if the location and depth are just right. Or wrong.
    The earth has survived despite the odds, but discussions like these, I'm reminded of how fragile it is, too.
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    The Earth is pretty robust. It's human civilization that's fragile.
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    Good point and that's what the climate change deniers don't get: the world will indeed survive but it won't be a place we can survive in. Unless you consider one of those dystopian waste lands we see in movies living.
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    Good point and that's what the climate change deniers don't get: the world will indeed survive but it won't be a place we can survive in. Unless you consider one of those dystopian waste lands we see in movies living.
    Your point makes no sense: Contrary to what you suggest above, I am quite sure everyone understands that a hotter climate causes bad things. That isn't, nor has it ever been the issue. What the so-called "deniers" question is whether variations in warming patterns are a) anything beyond natural cyclical fluctuations, and b) whether human activity is causing it.

    Now, before you call me a "denier", I will state that I have no real opinion on whether global warming/climate change is occurring or what the underlying causes are....and quite frankly, unless you have poured through the hundreds of individual papers yourself, examined the methodology/mathematical analyses and interpretations, then you are just relying on a bunch of non-scientists in the media to feed your opinions to you. Regardless of where you stand on the issue, you do yourself no favors by misrepresenting the ideas of the other side as you did in your silly post above.

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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    Your point makes no sense: Contrary to what you suggest above, I am quite sure everyone understands that a hotter climate causes bad things. That isn't, nor has it ever been the issue. What the so-called "deniers" question is whether variations in warming patterns are a) anything beyond natural cyclical fluctuations, and b) whether human activity is causing it.

    Now, before you call me a "denier", I will state that I have no real opinion on whether global warming/climate change is occurring or what the underlying causes are....and quite frankly, unless you have poured through the hundreds of individual papers yourself, examined the methodology/mathematical analyses and interpretations, then you are just relying on a bunch of non-scientists in the media to feed your opinions to you. Regardless of where you stand on the issue, you do yourself no favors by misrepresenting the ideas of the other side as you did in your silly post above.

    Nice attempt to turn a science thread into a political one
    Both sides of the climate debate are more ideological than evidence driven. Whether man made climate change is taking place or not, the models used are so flawed that nobody knows.

    There has been a bad habit of using manufactured data. If there are let's say 10k data points being used, it is not unusual for only 3k of those data points to be from actual measurements and the other 7k to be projections from the 3k that were measured. Those 10k data points are then fed in to a model and predictions are made. The lunacy of such behaviour astounds me.

    To pretend that anybody really knows what is going on is scientifically dishonest. Science works by constructing a model of observable reality and using that model to predict results. If observable results match predicted results, you stick with the model, if they don't, you throw the model away and make a new one. Observed data and predicted data are hugely divergent, but people refuse to throw away the model that they are ideologically wedded to.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    What the so-called "deniers" question is whether variations in warming patterns are a) anything beyond natural cyclical fluctuations, and b) whether human activity is causing it. Nice attempt to turn a science thread into a political one
    ....hey Karl. (on spread)

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    Well, at least no one has brought up creationism...yet. (())
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    Well, at least no one has brought up creationism...yet. (())
    Hmmm....a paradoxical comment in a science thread....guess that works in a relative sort of way

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    My term "denier" was a general one but I stand behind it. How rational human beings can sit here and ignore the impact that 7.2 billion people are having on this planet just because some neocon talking head found some scientist to refute the overwhelming scientific community concensus is mind boggling. But hey if the tree huggers are ultimately proved to be correct we can just fix it right?

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    Thought this was very interesting - just wondering if you and I will live long enough to reap benefits of research like this.
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    Originally Posted by steffo99 View Post
    just wondering if you and I will live long enough to reap benefits of research like this. .
    Hey steff099....

    Yes....interesting concept.
    But NO....I don't think I'll be above dirt on orb Earth to reap any of the benefit.

    Thanks for chiming in.

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    Yeah, I heard about that. Seems the more we learn, the more we find out how little we do know.
    Yep....isn't that the truth....the mysteries keep me obsessed with it all.

    mcbourque....that chart is sure purty.

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    That's a good start! Looking forward to greenhouse gardens on Mars!
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    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    That's a good start! Looking forward to greenhouse gardens on Mars!
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    I've read articles that life didn't really start on earth, well, it's a theory. Not a mainstream theory, but a theory.
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    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    That's a good start! Looking forward to greenhouse gardens on Mars!
    Yep.....which eludes to the concept of terra forming possibilities 100 years from now.

    Mcbourque....IMO....
    I think there's probably much one celled life in our gorgeous Milky Way and even in the great beyond.
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    Originally Posted by whatevergirl View Post
    lol yep

    I've read articles that life didn't really start on earth, well, it's a theory. Not a mainstream theory, but a theory.
    Chances are life on Earth did start on Earth. Otherwise, we'd be seeing a lot more evidence of life-like chemicals in meteorites, instead of the very primitive organics we do now. I read an interesting hypothesis just today that life may actually originate fairly often on other planets, but unless certain traits evolve early on, it goes extinct quickly as the parent star changes its output and conditions on the planet deteriorate. So on Earth, we got lucky right off the bat.
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    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    Chances are life on Earth did start on Earth. Otherwise, we'd be seeing a lot more evidence of life-like chemicals in meteorites, instead of the very primitive organics we do now. I read an interesting hypothesis just today that life may actually originate fairly often on other planets, but unless certain traits evolve early on, it goes extinct quickly as the parent star changes its output and conditions on the planet deteriorate. So on Earth, we got lucky right off the bat.
    This is an interesting video, scientists don't entirely know...

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/20150...egin-on-earth/
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    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    Chances are life on Earth did start on Earth. Otherwise, we'd be seeing a lot more evidence of life-like chemicals in meteorites, instead of the very primitive organics we do now. I read an interesting hypothesis just today that life may actually originate fairly often on other planets, but unless certain traits evolve early on, it goes extinct quickly as the parent star changes its output and conditions on the planet deteriorate. So on Earth, we got lucky right off the bat.
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    This is an interesting video, scientists don't entirely know...

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/20150...egin-on-earth/
    If you're not already familiar with it, google the Miller Urey experiment.
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