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    I'm ok with these numbers but it only really applies to those who like to stay decently lean. It would make the heavy freaks look average.
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    Originally Posted by Corbi View Post
    And I need to be DL'ing #620+, umm don't see that happening ever.
    Might as well hang it up now. Doomed to failure.

    Pretty sure I will tear my right rotator cuff before I ever bench 1.5 times my weight.
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    bro science data compared with real data

    Originally Posted by Spiro86 View Post
    Found it in another thread. For anyone else who might be interested....

    Overhead Press = Body Weight
    Bench = 1 1/2 X body Weight
    Squat = 2 x body weight
    Deadlift = 2 1/2 x body weight
    Originally Posted by InternetTuffGuy View Post
    Might as well hang it up now. Doomed to failure.
    Pretty sure I will tear my right rotator cuff before I ever bench 1.5 times my weight.
    OK, everyone wants to compare the weight lifted to body weight & then discredit these ratios (or feel proud). Fine, fine, nevermind that it wasn't the original question. Let's do this by body weight, sigh...

    But let's take the strength standards across years of powerlifting competitions and see if the broscience numbers still hold-up. With me? Pulling data from here http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLi...Standards.html, here's the reality check.

    Short answer, Spiro86's #s are OK if you are a Male with several years of training (Advanced level) and weigh between 165-198lbs. The exception is OHP, an Advanced lifter only needs to pick up 90% body weight for that. For those who can pickup 100%, you're approaching Elite.

    But what about the rest of us? See tables below

    So, what is in the tables below? Answer: weight-lifted divided by body-weight. So, on the bench press page, it shows a 198lb Advanced lifter is 290lb. So, 290/198 = 1.46. Note, this is for men only. If someone asks for data on the dames, I'll post that too (like this isn't enough).

    (Side note: this probably looks like it was a lot of work, but it hardly took an hour and I liked it. Don't neg me for being a know-it-all number-crunching former-ecto pencil-neck-geek crew member. I just wanted to put the "bw x #s" into perspective against some real data)

    Bench Press / Body Weight - Adult Men - Bench = 1 1/2 X body Weight
    Body Weight Untrained Novice Intermediate Advanced Elite
    114 0.75 0.96 1.14 1.58 1.93
    123 0.73 0.93 1.14 1.59 1.95
    132 0.76 0.95 1.17 1.59 1.97
    148 0.74 0.95 1.15 1.59 1.96
    165 0.73 0.91 1.12 1.55 1.94
    181 0.72 0.91 1.10 1.52 1.91
    198 0.68 0.88 1.09 1.46 1.82
    220 0.64 0.84 1.02 1.39 1.73
    242 0.60 0.79 0.95 1.30 1.63
    275 0.55 0.71 0.87 1.18 1.47
    319 0.49 0.63 0.77 1.05 1.30
    320 0.50 0.64 0.78 1.06 1.33

    Deadlift / Body Weight - Adult Men - Deadlift = 2 1/2 x body weight
    Body Weight Untrained Novice Intermediate Advanced Elite
    114 0.83 1.58 1.80 2.63 3.38
    123 0.85 1.59 1.79 2.60 3.37
    132 0.87 1.59 1.82 2.58 3.33
    148 0.84 1.59 1.82 2.57 3.24
    165 0.82 1.55 1.79 2.48 3.15
    181 0.83 1.52 1.74 2.43 3.04
    198 0.78 1.46 1.69 2.32 2.85
    220 0.75 1.39 1.59 2.18 2.66
    242 0.70 1.32 1.51 2.02 2.46
    275 0.64 1.18 1.36 1.82 2.18
    319 0.56 1.05 1.19 1.58 1.91
    320 0.58 1.06 1.22 1.59 1.92


    Squat / Body Weight - Adult Men - Squat = 2 x body weight
    Body Weight Untrained Novice Intermediate Advanced Elite
    114 0.70 1.27 1.54 2.11 2.81
    123 0.69 1.26 1.54 2.11 2.80
    132 0.68 1.29 1.55 2.12 2.80
    148 0.68 1.28 1.55 2.13 2.77
    165 0.67 1.24 1.52 2.06 2.70
    181 0.66 1.22 1.49 2.04 2.65
    198 0.63 1.16 1.44 1.97 2.55
    220 0.59 1.11 1.36 1.86 2.41
    242 0.56 1.05 1.28 1.76 2.27
    275 0.51 0.95 1.16 1.58 2.07
    319 0.45 0.85 1.02 1.39 1.82
    320 0.47 0.86 1.03 1.42 1.86

    Press / Body Weight - Adult Men - Overhead Press = Body Weight
    Body Weight Untrained Novice Intermediate Advanced Elite
    114 0.48 0.66 0.79 0.96 1.14
    123 0.49 0.65 0.81 0.93 1.14
    132 0.49 0.64 0.80 0.95 1.14
    148 0.47 0.64 0.81 0.95 1.15
    165 0.45 0.61 0.79 0.94 1.15
    181 0.44 0.61 0.77 0.91 1.22
    198 0.43 0.58 0.73 0.88 1.19
    220 0.41 0.55 0.70 0.84 1.16
    242 0.39 0.52 0.66 0.79 1.10
    275 0.35 0.47 0.60 0.71 1.00
    319 0.31 0.42 0.53 0.63 0.88
    320 0.31 0.44 0.55 0.64 0.89
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    I have serious doubts about the OHP numbers - they are too low. I am 216 pounds and I know I can rep 265 for at least two (I got one on Monday and I know if I just worked up to that set and tried it instead of 3x245 first I could get the two)

    There is no way in hell I consider myself to be an elite lifter. I'd like to think I'm good at that lift, but I am sure there are many better.

    Is it possible that there is a significant diffference between Seated OHP and Standing OHP and are the numbers for Standing?
    Its not enough!
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    I'm working my way up to untrained. Now, if I could use the stats for what I SHOULD weigh.........
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    Sometimes you have to check the legitimacy of the question.

    Unless you are working for strength meet specific exercises, why are you worrying yourself with what you 'should' do? You should be regularly improving all of your major lifts (in my opinion they are the squat, deadlift and overhead press).

    The proportions to which people are built has a staggering effect on their numbers on these lifts. Some guys are short and squat, and their squat numbers are higher. Some guys are longer and lankier and have better numbers on deadlifts.

    There is no tried and true formula for strength on these.

    Just get better at them compared to what YOU'VE done and don't compare yourself to others. That is not just a strength lesson but a super zen'd out life lesson (and much easier said that done, I know).

    Hope this helps out.
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    Originally Posted by Tmax55 View Post
    I have serious doubts about the OHP numbers - they are too low. I am 216 pounds and I know I can rep 265 for at least two (I got one on Monday and I know if I just worked up to that set and tried it instead of 3x245 first I could get the two)

    There is no way in hell I consider myself to be an elite lifter. I'd like to think I'm good at that lift, but I am sure there are many better.

    Is it possible that there is a significant diffference between Seated OHP and Standing OHP and are the numbers for Standing?
    numbers are for standing.... and yes its easier to push more weight while seated.
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