Ready to get showed up? Like get ready.
Sales specifically. The average sales rep if you average student at university who didn't like accounting or finance and wanted an okay job. Not the best of the best. You take the same mentality you would towards iBanking or consulting and apply it towards sales (i.e. 80 hour work weeks, copious months learning the technicals, etc.) I can guarantee you will outsell everyone in your company and make well over 6 figures. Seen it happen with 2 friends. Wanted to do iBanking, went to too unknown of a school, so got a job at a medium-tier software company, and within three years are balling.
Same idea goes with HR. Not admin stuff, the real HR. The compensation and benfits analysis, the labor training and labor law portions, even the talent acquisition type stuff. Check the pedigrees of CHRO's (they tend to be what you would think of as average students in school). They were a big fish (smart people) in a small pond (HR). Even for top MBA's you rarely have people trying to get in with an HR/Management focus, so it's easier to get top pedigree through it. Put in the hard work like you would for consulting/iBanking (all those hours and time and effort) and you will within 10 years be Jr. VP of Human Resources (or Human Capital) and be in the 150-300 range on your way to CHRO.
Now compare that to iBanking or consulting which requires such a time effort, and you competing against others with better experience, connections and everything else. If you're in the top 10% but not number 1%. Cause how many people actually get into high finance or the upper levels of corporate finance (and all those competing for it)? Then you have a much better ability of striking it big with sales or HR.
Dumb fuk.
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09-04-2014, 08:25 PM #61"The Spartans do not ask how many are the enemy, but where are they."
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09-04-2014, 08:26 PM #63
Im aware you dont need a business UG for an MBA but your first point was liberal arts majors become MBA's was it not? Seems kind of dumb when you previously bashed business major undergrads. Currently in grad school with zero undergrad liberal arts majors. They must be too busy ceo/10k a day right now.
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09-04-2014, 08:27 PM #64
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Alright boys. This is coming from someone who's talked to multiple recruiters at top firms.
Listen to this, OP.
I've known people who got it at 2.1-2.2. I got an internship at 2.x (<2.5).
False. Maybe your uni is like that. In Canada, as long as you're above 2.0, you'll be fine. Can't say for sure for business classes though.
A's and B's work for C's.
This. Majority of the people who get 3.5 are FA miscers with no social skills whatsoever. Can't improvise or come up with things to speak on the spot at an interview. Then they post on the misc saying they can't get a job.
Of course, there are students with great GPAs and a social background but those are rare. At least in Engineering (which apparently majority of the misc is in (or Comp Sci)).
Don't think so for Engineering. People have gotten 60k with 2.5 GPA. Just depends on the company, experience and most importantly networking.
In short, OP: Networking -> ALL
People with 2.5 have gotten hired over someone with 3.5 just because the 2.5 knows someone.
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09-04-2014, 08:28 PM #65
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09-04-2014, 08:30 PM #67
3.9 bra checking in... Depends on your major. I would say you should be alright with 3.0+ depending on your school as well.
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09-04-2014, 08:38 PM #68
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09-04-2014, 08:39 PM #69
OP, you can't just focus on one thing or another. Focus on everything.
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09-04-2014, 08:39 PM #70
You're a lazy fuk. No wonder you have such a hard time finding work for more than $15 an hour.
And that's because when you go to a top 20 school.
They don't even have business degrees.
So therefore they have more Historys/Classics/etc.
And those top 20 schools just go to each other's grad schools.
If you are outside the top 20, liberal arts are normally a no go without a plan.
You're really bad at this."The Spartans do not ask how many are the enemy, but where are they."
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09-04-2014, 08:41 PM #71
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09-04-2014, 08:45 PM #74
lol that is not true at all
My company won't even interview you if you had below a 3.5 GPA
If you want to work at a top company (Exxon, Google, JP, etc.) you better be in the 3.8 with relevant work experience. Exxon essentially won't take you if you have a single C in any engineering related class.
Pls don't give bull**** information gooby i dun want to neg u.Watchout your neg comments princess
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09-04-2014, 08:46 PM #75
I am in Canada, and no one has ever asked me my GPA - I have been working for 6 years as a Structural / Civil Engineer, for 3 different global companies and no one has ever asked me about my education background beyond "Says here you have a degree in Civil engineering? Did you take Structural classes? Conrete, steel and wood right ? " My answer was always 'Yes, and yes, all three" End of the conversation on education.
I have never interviewed for a job i didn't get.
So IME no, no on cares what your grades are once you finish as long as you know your chit.
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09-04-2014, 08:47 PM #76
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09-04-2014, 09:02 PM #78
why the hell do you assume the 3.5 guy is nerdy?? when discussing gpa, assume both are equal... and in any case, you act like getting 3.5 is extremely difficult or unattainable... learn to manage your time and not get drunk and do drugs 3 times a week. i dont understand how people cannot even hold a 3.0+ gpa. i literally could have not ever studied and half-assed to a 3.0.
anyone that has a lower than 3.0 gpa has no excuse unless you're doing liek aerospace engineering or chemical engineering
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09-04-2014, 09:04 PM #79
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09-04-2014, 09:07 PM #80
OP, here's the quick rundown:
If you're applying for grad school, grades matter. Although awards/experience will matter too.
If you're looking for your first job out of college, grades and school will definitely matter.
If you're applying for your second or third or fourth job, employers will look at your work experience and probably your school too, but not your grades. Employers will look for specific skills that they can immediately use, and they will know this based on your past work experience, not your college grades, which sometimes have almost nothing to do with actual current skills.52 books in 52 weeks crew
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09-04-2014, 09:11 PM #84
I've never understood this either.
I have over a 3.5 while working full time and going to school and having taken some pretty rought QuantEcon courses, it sucked.
But I still probably spend 35 hours at work and only 30 hours homework/studying/lecture time.
Blows my mind that the average is like a 3.07 when you realize that the average has more easy majors included than hard majors.
the bolded is so true.
the HR manager at my job said she gives more weight to the technical skills/certifications and experience than any school/awards/gpa stuff.
makes sense honestly."The Spartans do not ask how many are the enemy, but where are they."
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09-04-2014, 09:25 PM #87
Most BA's don't get you jobs. Most professions require graduate school. This whole notion of going to college and becoming successful is American propaganda and everyone eats it up. If you think getting your cookie cutter 4 year BA is going to have you amount to anything noteworthy you're in for a serious wake up call.
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09-04-2014, 09:26 PM #88
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09-04-2014, 09:28 PM #89
GPA in your major/minor matters. If you have a low overall GPA because you blew underwater basket weaving or Lit100 and your major is Geography then you should be OK as long as you have a 3.5 GPA in your major. If your GPA in your major is a 2.0 then you're likely to have problems being hired in your field. I know I wouldn't hire you.
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09-04-2014, 09:34 PM #90
If you plan on doing anything afterwards that requires a good GPA and high credentials (grad school, med school, law school, a good position with a top company or firm) then your undergraduate grade absolutely does matter.
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