Official Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[CXC3000]

I find it laughable that Muslims and Lefties are so concerned over Israel and Gaza, but show little care to the hundreds of thousands forced to flee in Iraq and Syria due to ISIS, and the ongoing slaughter of thousands of Sunnis, Yazidis, and Christians.

I guess they only care when it is Non-Muslim killing Muslim and f*ck everyone else….right?

Israel claims to be a Western-style democracy. Why does it engage in actions like that of the Syrian regime ?

[moneywithmuscle]

Israel claims to be a Western-style democracy. Why does it engage in actions like that of the Syrian regime ?

Because they are being attacked by nut job Islamists who are trying to rocket their city. What should they do? Accept the rockets and not retaliate? The only reason they are able to kill more people is because they are richer and more technically advanced (ie. not brainless apes) and can be more effective at taking out targets. Not because they are "more evil" or whatever BS you Islamists believe.

[CXC3000]

Because they are being attacked by nut job Islamists who are trying to rocket their city. What should they do? Accept the rockets and not retaliate? The only reason they are able to kill more people is because they are richer and more technically advanced (ie. not brainless apes) and can be more effective at taking out targets. Not because they are "more evil" or whatever BS you Islamists believe.

Did the British kill over 2000 Irish in about 4 weeks when they were being targeted by the IRA ?

[moneywithmuscle]

Did the British kill over 2000 Irish in about 4 weeks when they were being targeted by the IRA ?

IRA were not a political power representing the entire nation/government.

[CXC3000]

IRA were not a political power representing the entire nation/government.

The IRA were doing the same as Hamas. Why didn't the British Army flatten parts of Northern Ireland or wherever they were getting attacked from ?

[moneywithmuscle]

The IRA were doing the same as Hamas. Why didn't the British Army flatten parts of Northern Ireland or wherever they were getting attacked from ?

Hams is Palestine's government. They act for the state.

[CXC3000]

Hams is Palestine's government. They act for the state.

Attack is attack, regardless of who's running what.

[TheNewbie]

Did the British kill over 2000 Irish in about 4 weeks when they were being targeted by the IRA ?

Did the Irish lob tens of thousands of rockets into British cities trying to murder British civilians?

[johnnycomehome]

Did the Irish lob tens of thousands of rockets into British cities trying to murder British civilians?

No.They also didn't want to kill all British people and make London an Irish city

[Th3K1NgSlaY3R]

Attack is attack, regardless of who's running what.

Untrue.


Some attacks are criminal actions, some are terrorist actions, and some are acts of war.


Unlike most of my pro israel comrades, I do not believe hamas is engaging in terrorism. Since they are a legitimately elected government, rocket attacks are acts of war.

[GreatOldOne]

Untrue.


Some attacks are criminal actions, some are terrorist actions, and some are acts of war.


Unlike most of my pro israel comrades, I do not believe hamas is engaging in terrorism. Since they are a legitimately elected government, rocket attacks are acts of war.

I'm inclined to agree with you. Although they're all so stupid it's also hard not to see them as a liquor store robbers holding a gun to the head of a clerk while arguing with the police.

[JonathanN173]

Enough you're confusing him with facts and logic

[TheNewbie]

Unlike most of my pro israel comrades, I do not believe hamas is engaging in terrorism. Since they are a legitimately elected government, rocket attacks are acts of war.

You are wrong.
An act of war would be attacking a country, it's facilities, infrastructures, army, etc.
Deliberate attack on civilians, lobbing rockets indiscriminately into centers of population, digging tunnels into villages, blowing up school buses, malls, restaurants, night clubs, etc. are all acts of coward terrorists, and are all actions of Hamas.

[gadiper]

CXC you cant possibly believe what you are posting on this forums..

[ZioBot]

Gaza homes 'uninhabitable' as tens of thousands come back to rubble

nothing that a feather duster and some elbow grease won't sort - not that i feel sorry for the terrorists whose homes are now uninhabitable - thats kind of what they were hoping to do to innocent random Israelis. Oh well, better luck next time chaps x

hundreds more homes were destroyed by hamas who booby trapped citizens houses to try and kill IDF.

All this amounts to is my sympathy level being somewhere in the high minuses.

Gazans needs to destroy Hamas, if they don't, sympathy level remains negative.

[Trigger543]

idk why we have to argue about this. If we can't make peace how can we ever expect Israel and Hamas to make peace? HUH? HOW CAN WE?!??!

But srs is anyone ever right in a situation like this? Hamas sucks, and the fact that Israel is killing innocent civilians (because of Hamas) sucks too. It all sucks, what is the point in arguing on here?

[gadiper]

idk why we have to argue about this. If we can't make peace how can we ever expect Israel and Hamas to make peace? HUH? HOW CAN WE?!??!

But srs is anyone ever right in a situation like this? Hamas sucks, and the fact that Israel is killing innocent civilians (because of Hamas) sucks too. It all sucks, what is the point in arguing on here?

People like to express themselves

[mehdi84]

Israeli court allows protesters to picket Palestinian-Jewish wedding
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...jewish-wedding

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[Th3K1NgSlaY3R]

You are wrong.
An act of war would be attacking a country, it's facilities, infrastructures, army, etc.
Deliberate attack on civilians, lobbing rockets indiscriminately into centers of population, digging tunnels into villages, blowing up school buses, malls, restaurants, night clubs, etc. are all acts of coward terrorists, and are all actions of Hamas.

Well america and the uk engaged in acts of terrorism to break the will of the german people to resist then.

I think its more advantageous for israels position to call the rocket attacks an act of war. War justifies a more heavy handed approach dont you think?

[Th3K1NgSlaY3R]

Israeli court allows protesters to picket Palestinian-Jewish wedding
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...jewish-wedding

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Bigots gonna bigot.


Do they not have freedom of assembly in israel? Srs question.

[squanto]

I find it laughable that Muslims and Lefties are so concerned over Israel and Gaza, but show little care to the hundreds of thousands forced to flee in Iraq and Syria due to ISIS, and the ongoing slaughter of thousands of Sunnis, Yazidis, and Christians.

I guess they only care when it is Non-Muslim killing Muslim and f*ck everyone else….right?

No.

The reason there is heightened concern about Gaza on the forum is because the reason it's happening is because of the United States' unilateral support. If you want proof of this, look at the UN votes on "Peaceful solution to the Israel Palestine conflict".

There has been an overwhelming consensus of the international community for 30 years on how to solve the conflict, the only reason it hasn't been solved is because of the US. This forum has a lot of people from the US so it's an issue of increased scrutiny.

[squanto]

idk why we have to argue about this. If we can't make peace how can we ever expect Israel and Hamas to make peace? HUH? HOW CAN WE?!??!

But srs is anyone ever right in a situation like this? Hamas sucks, and the fact that Israel is killing innocent civilians (because of Hamas) sucks too. It all sucks, what is the point in arguing on here?

No, but there is a clear solution to the problem if you follow international law. That is what is being advocated by nearly the entire world.

[AlonsoQuijano]

Hams is Palestine's government. They act for the state.

Hamas is not in any way a national government.

[TheNewbie]

Well america and the uk engaged in acts of terrorism to break the will of the german people to resist then.
I think its more advantageous for israels position to call the rocket attacks an act of war. War justifies a more heavy handed approach dont you think?

Indeed many countries have committed war crimes or acts of terrorism throughout history, many still do..

As for justification, I don't really know or care. What I do think though, is that a country has an obligation to provide safety for its citizens, whether it has to fight terrorists or other countries for it.

After suffering thousands of rockets lobbed into its cities, experiencing an unimaginable number of suicide bomber attacks on civilian locations, and so on I don't think Israel really needs to look for any further justification for taking all necessary actions to cease Palestinians attacks on Israeli population.

Israel has already mistreated its own civilians by allowing the Palestinians to turn their lives into hell for a number of years now.

What Muslims on this board, or in the UN say is irrelevant, the vast majority of them are so deeply brainwashed with antisemitism and hate throughout their lives that even those of which who might otherwise had the ability to, can't think straight.


If you really want to appreciate how many fuks Muslims or the UN give about human lives, humanitarian crisis, war crimes, etc. just take a look at the (zero) reaction to the genocide ISIS and their likes are carrying out.

Hamas is not in any way a national government.

Many countries, namely Muslim, do consider them as a legit govt. I don't understand your statement..

[AlonsoQuijano]

Many countries, namely Muslim, do consider them as a legit govt. I don't understand your statement..

No, they do not.

[AlonsoQuijano]

To clarify, Hamas is one organisation within Palestine, which has a political aspect. They formed one political party. That political party has spent some small time with influence, on and off. Suggesting that Hamas is viewed as the legitimate government of a nation is like saying the world view the Democrats or Republicans as the legitimate government of the USA. Such is not the case. It is one party with an influence over a parliament that does not belong to a nation, because at this time there is no Palestinian nation.

[squanto]

To clarify, Hamas is one organisation within Palestine, which has a political aspect. They formed one political party. That political party has spent some small time with influence, on and off. Suggesting that Hamas is viewed as the legitimate government of a nation is like saying the world view the Democrats or Republicans as the legitimate government of the USA. Such is not the case. It is one party with an influence over a parliament that does not belong to a nation, because at this time there is no Palestinian nation.

I'm pretty sure Palestine exists.

But what you're saying has some truth to it. Scholars agree that the main reason Israel started this round of terrorist attacks was to prevent a unity government with Hamas and the Palestinian authority. Once that happens, and it will, Israel will come under greater pressure to end their occupation on the West Bank.

Here's a solid discussion http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/1...eal_did_israel

[AlonsoQuijano]

I'm pretty sure Palestine exists.

Palestine exists. It's just not a nation.

[TheNewbie]

To clarify, Hamas is one organisation within Palestine, which has a political aspect. They formed one political party. That political party has spent some small time with influence, on and off. Suggesting that Hamas is viewed as the legitimate government of a nation is like saying the world view the Democrats or Republicans as the legitimate government of the USA. Such is not the case. It is one party with an influence over a parliament that does not belong to a nation, because at this time there is no Palestinian nation.

Not sure wtf you're talking about, and by the looks of it neither do you.

Hamas was elected in a 'democratic' elections by the Palestinians. While being a terrorist organization it still has a political wing which includes all aspects of govt. including PM, ministers, MP's etc.
Hamas has a police, it has a judicial system, and it takes care of legislation.

The fact that Hams is a terrorist organization and it's members are war criminal terrorists who carry out numerous war crimes on a daily basis, doesn't mean it doesn't govern it's people. N. Korea for example does similar things..

[Spartan5364]

Israeli court allows protesters to picket Palestinian-Jewish wedding
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...jewish-wedding

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