Fruit All Day, Feast at Night

[Streetbull]

I started this 4 days ago after much research and found so much misinformation, it was mind boggling.

The diet is called the Warrior Diet and there are even threads on here (BB.com) that are just plain wrong.

The idea, simply put, is to eat fruit/vegetables during the day, in raw or juiced state, along with coffee or ginseng. Workout at 5 or 6 pm, then have a huge banquet. Its not a starvation diet or a deprivation diet but is (allegedly) patterned after how Greek and Roman soldiers ate. During the day, you eat blueberries, apples, avocadoes, just about any lower glycemic fruit or vegetables (raw). At night, you feast.

I can't post it here but a Google search will go to a free PDF of the diet.

Today, I started feeling fabulous from this diet.

If anyone has actually tried the diet as Ori describes it (which is how I outlined it above), would like to hear experiences.

[Tomohawk92]

dont like the idea of fruit during the day; fruit can't really be low GI.. it's all sugar. avocado I wouldn't classify as a fruit because its mostly fat
but food at night is certainly good

http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011...-make-you.html

[Tomohawk92]

You're better off posting in Misc btw, the subs are pretty dead

[IIISpartacusIII]

I started this 4 days ago after much research and found so much misinformation, it was mind boggling.

The diet is called the Warrior Diet and there are even threads on here (BB.com) that are just plain wrong.

The idea, simply put, is to eat fruit/vegetables during the day, in raw or juiced state, along with coffee or ginseng. Workout at 5 or 6 pm, then have a huge banquet. Its not a starvation diet or a deprivation diet but is (allegedly) patterned after how Greek and Roman soldiers ate. During the day, you eat blueberries, apples, avocadoes, just about any lower glycemic fruit or vegetables (raw). At night, you feast.

I can't post it here but a Google search will go to a free PDF of the diet.

Today, I started feeling fabulous from this diet.

If anyone has actually tried the diet as Ori describes it (which is how I outlined it above), would like to hear experiences.

Sooooo where are you getting all the essential aminos and essential fats from? I also don't see the point in all that fruit sugar (fructose). A little is fine but not to the exclusion of everything else. Doesn't seem balanced and does seem gimmicky. Why not just eat a variety of food and maintain a caloric deficit if you want to lose fat or a surplus if you want to gain some muscle? Is there a point in trying to reinvent a wheel so that it doesn't even roll anymore?

[acrawlingchaos]

Talks about misinformation, proceeds to espouse bullsh*t.


Scientific information doesn't need to be "pimped". Please go.

[Streetbull]

Sooooo where are you getting all the essential aminos and essential fats from? I also don't see the point in all that fruit sugar (fructose). A little is fine but not to the exclusion of everything else. Doesn't seem balanced and does seem gimmicky. Why not just eat a variety of food and maintain a caloric deficit if you want to lose fat or a surplus if you want to gain some muscle? Is there a point in trying to reinvent a wheel so that it doesn't even roll anymore?

Ever seen a lion in a cage, one that's been fed regularly? It loses all of its instincts and just gets fat and lazy. That's sounds like a lot of people, doesn't it? Hunger is a driving force. With no motivation we all get fat and sloppy.

That's the idea here -- eat just enough of very simple easily digested food during the day to stay hungry. When we do eat at the evening meal, our bodies are primed and ready for nutrients. We'll make use of all the healthy nutrients (its how we evolved).

Ever eat during the day and get sleepy? The reason is that your parasympathetic nervous system gets engaged by eating, telling you to slow down, digest food, and fall asleep. That's how we're built. Nature doesn't want us to eat a big meal and then go hunting; doing so reduces our alertness (our sympathetic system).

Anyway, I'm not pimping anything as you gets can read the pdf for yourselves.

[Streetbull]

Talks about misinformation, proceeds to espouse bullsh*t.


Scientific information doesn't need to be "pimped". Please go.

Actually, I requested input from people who have tried the diet as Ori described. Have you done that?

[IIISpartacusIII]

Actually, I requested input from people who have tried the diet as Ori described. Have you done that?

I think that everyone's point was; it's not worth trying. If I offered up a diet based on rat poison, should I then proceed to say "don't knock it till ya try it" if you won't give it a chance is that you just being negative? Clearly, you'll lose weight on that diet but is it good for you? Are there better alternatives? Is that diet sustainable? These are reasonable questions most people will ask.

[Streetbull]

I think that everyone's point was; it's not worth trying. If I offered up a diet based on rat poison, should I then proceed to say "don't knock it till ya try it" if you won't give it a chance is that you just being negative? Clearly, you'll lose weight on that diet but is it good for you? Are there better alternatives? Is that diet sustainable? These are reasonable questions most people will ask.

People ate like that for thousands of years -- hunt all day then eat after the hunt.

I suppose grazing all day (6 meals per day) like cattle might be better for putting on a lot of weight. Based on all the fat people with diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure, and all the assorted ailments, I'd wager not.

Anyway, I didn't start this thread to argue with anyone. I was looking for feedback from anyone who had actually tried the diet as Ori prescribed.

All the best of luck and good health to all!

[DuracellBunny]

People ate like that for thousands of years -- hunt all day then eat after the hunt.

And they were all a foot shorter and died before the age of 40, what exactly is your point?

[doughnutgut]

Actually, I requested input from people who have tried the diet as Ori described. Have you done that?

TBH. But not actually speaking for ACC here BTW. But I doubt he has tried it. Why? Because he actually has a decent head on his shoulders.

People ate like that for thousands of years -- hunt all day then eat after the hunt.

Then they done what? Went squatting? Nope. Did they choose to do this? Nope.

I suppose grazing all day (6 meals per day) like cattle might be better for putting on a lot of weight. Based on all the fat people with diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure, and all the assorted ailments, I'd wager not.

Diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure, etc, etc. This is all common of the lazy society in which we live. Nothing more. Cheap, convenient living.

Anyway, I didn't start this thread to argue with anyone. I was looking for feedback from anyone who had actually tried the diet as Ori prescribed.

All the best of luck and good health to all!

I don't think anyone that is really aiming to push through plateaus in their training or looking for a stronger/leaner physique is going to just go ahead and eat fruit all day like a chump. Then proceed to just throw food down their pie hole later at night without putting thought into the process.

Tracking/weighing/logging IMO will yield FAR greater results than your first post fad diet.


Just saying.

But hey, I may be totally wrong.

[Brackneyc]

Comic gold.

[Streetbull]

Comic gold.

Yeah, it sure is. I'm sure all the other people in the long list there would agree.

[drudixon]

Ever seen a lion in a cage, one that's been fed regularly? It loses all of its instincts and just gets fat and lazy. That's sounds like a lot of people, doesn't it? Hunger is a driving force. With no motivation we all get fat and sloppy.

That's the idea here -- eat just enough of very simple easily digested food during the day to stay hungry. When we do eat at the evening meal, our bodies are primed and ready for nutrients. We'll make use of all the healthy nutrients (its how we evolved).

Ever eat during the day and get sleepy? The reason is that your parasympathetic nervous system gets engaged by eating, telling you to slow down, digest food, and fall asleep. That's how we're built. Nature doesn't want us to eat a big meal and then go hunting; doing so reduces our alertness (our sympathetic system).

Anyway, I'm not pimping anything as you gets can read the pdf for yourselves.

A lion has almost nothing in common metabolically with humans. Poor analogy.

[Brackneyc]

Yeah, it sure is. I'm sure all the other people in the long list there would agree.

Well, do it and prove your case. I suspect you will not.

The diet itself is not the funny part. It was the rationale that it was good for cavemen, so it is good now. Alao, that tiger bit was a nice touch.

Get yor cals/macros right amd be dome. These fckin "diets" are sht.

[Jtbny]

Yeah, it sure is. I'm sure all the other people in the long list there would agree.

Steven A Smith did a good job in the vid using IF. What you described is not IF so what's your point?

[Streetbull]

A lion has almost nothing in common metabolically with humans. Poor analogy.

Wat? That has nothing what so ever to do with the point: Eating all the time reduces one's hunger, one's instincts. It makes one lazy and lethargic.

[Streetbull]

Steven A Smith did a good job in the vid using IF. What you described is not IF so what's your point?

You DO see what he has written at the top there, where it says 'warrior diet'?

[Jtbny]

You DO see what he has written at the top there, where it says 'warrior diet'?

Well I did see where he constantly referred to IF so which is it?

[DuracellBunny]

Well I did see where he constantly referred to IF so which is it?

Don't take away the justification for his belief system; don't be that mean, he has nothing else in his life!

[chodan9]

Well I don't see any Roman Centurions around these days so that diet cant be that great.

Or cave men for that matter,

[yepitsme]

Yeah, it sure is. I'm sure all the other people in the long list there would agree.

What Hugh Jackman talked about wasn't the diet you described. Why did you even post this video?

[mirroroferised]

First guy gives himself a 4 hour window to eat every day and Hugh Jackman an 8 hour window. That's IF. You're talking about eating fruit all day and then a big meal at night. That's not fasting. That's eating all day.

Your method may work for you, why not. It's probably going to put you in a calorie deficit so you should lose weight and feel better. Guy in the first video eats between 1700-2000 cals a day. Of course he's lost weight.

You are right though that people survived for thousands of years eating very minimalistic diets but they did so while working tirelessly to help create a world where we don't have to do that any more.

[JOHN GARGANI]

Streetbull: for a guy that "just wants input from people who have tried it", you seem a helluva lot more like a person totally espousing this system.....

please also keep in mind, that the Primitive diet that existed for 1000s of years also had people with average life expectancies in the 30s.....

and tell me: just what is the definition of a "FEAST"??????????? be more specific

[x-trainer ben]

Streetbull: for a guy that "just wants input from people who have tried it", you seem a helluva lot more like a person totally espousing this system.....

please also keep in mind, that the Primitive diet that existed for 1000s of years also had people with average life expectancies in the 30s.....

and tell me: just what is the definition of a "FEAST"??????????? be more specific

You should read his crazy posts in the R+P section....sheezus!

[pvsampson]

Show me a "caveman" that ate fruit all day,(and avocado IS a fruit BTW),in the Northern Hemisphere during the Ice Age.

The reason that the aforementioned troglodytes hunted "all day" is because they were hungry.If they were eating fruit all day they wouldn't be out hunting all day.

If I use this dietary system,will I lose my benefits if I train after 6pm,or before 5pm?

[Streetbull]

I feel great on this diet. Some minor hunger pains dismissed with an apple or small amount of yogurt. Down a few pounds but, of course, that doesn't mean anything (yet). I also feel way more alert at work and don't get the post-lunch crash. Evening meals also taste way better when you're not grazing all day.

[Streetbull]

Show me a "caveman" that ate fruit all day,(and avocado IS a fruit BTW),in the Northern Hemisphere during the Ice Age.

The reason that the aforementioned troglodytes hunted "all day" is because they were hungry.If they were eating fruit all day they wouldn't be out hunting all day.

If I use this dietary system,will I lose my benefits if I train after 6pm,or before 5pm?

You can certainly do the diet with just water all day; many do, from what I've read. Ori included the fruit because some people just can't do the water only and fruit in small increments doesn't tax any system. Watch out though because too much at one time WILL provoke a parasympathetic reaction.

Our ancestors did graze on fruit, vegs, nuts, if they came across these when hunting.

Wish people would read the site or book before attacking.

[ntrllftr]

I feel great on this diet. Some minor hunger pains dismissed with an apple or small amount of yogurt. Down a few pounds but, of course, that doesn't mean anything (yet). I also feel way more alert at work and don't get the post-lunch crash. Evening meals also taste way better when you're not grazing all day.

That might be all fine and dandy but.... We are here to lift heavy sh!t and gain muscle not just lose weight.

[GuyJin]

OP,

If you're talking about Ori Hofmekler's diet, it has certain merits to it. But you also have to take into account the activity level of the people who did it. The Roman Centurians who were on that diet were on the move much of the day when they were waging war in foreign countries, so they adopted this way of eating for lack of anything else. When they were resting up after a campaign, did they continue this diet? Doubtful. More than likely, they drank sh!tloads of wine and gorged themselves.

Now, it will eventually mobilize your body to utilize its fat stores. That's the good thing. It'll also tend to utilize muscle. That ain't so good. Hofmekler himself is a tall, rangy guy--almost skinny--and he's not into lifting weights at all from what I know, so from a bodybuilding POV the diet, to me, is hardly optimal for building muscle. Losing weight--yes. Building up...not so much. JMO...