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    Originally Posted by brunogouveia58 View Post
    i'm doing the intermediate upper lower routine, and this week the gym closed in my country i only have barbells and dumbells, bench and rack in my house i don't have any machine which exercises can i replace the exercises with machines?
    Originally Posted by davisj3537 View Post
    The Intermediate Upper/Lower

    Upper A
    Bench 3x5
    Incline Bench 3x8
    PULL UPS 3X8
    Bent Over Rows 3x8
    Curls 3x10/Reverse Flies 3x12 Superset

    Lower A
    Squats 3x5
    RDL 3X8
    DB lunge 3x10
    Leg Curls 3x10 (THERE REALLY IS NO SUB FOR A LEG CURL)
    Ab work 3x15/Calf raises 3x12 Superset

    Upper B
    OHP 3x5
    Flies 3x10
    Pullups 3x8
    Pendlay Rows 3x8
    REVERSE FLY 3x12/SKULL CRUSHER 3x10 Superset

    Lower B
    Front Squat 3x5
    Romanian Deadlift 3x8
    SPLIT SQUAT 3x10
    Leg Curls (NO SUB) 3x10
    Ab work 3x15/Calf Raises 3x12 Superset


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    I'm planing to run the intermediate lower/upper. (I'm 26 not 51)

    I have few questions

    1- do I need to add abs workout? If so how can I do it? I don't want to shake the balance.

    2- I have weak/small calvs. I don't see any calv isolation workouts. What shall I do?
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    Originally Posted by Mabooz9566 View Post
    I'm planing to run the intermediate lower/upper. (I'm 26 not 51)

    I have few questions

    1- do I need to add abs workout? If so how can I do it? I don't want to shake the balance.

    2- I have weak/small calvs. I don't see any calv isolation workouts. What shall I do?
    Abs and calves are in the program. 💁‍♂️

    The Intermediate Upper/Lower

    Upper A
    Bench 3x5
    Incline Bench 3x8
    Lat Pulldowns 3x8 (any grip)
    Bent Over Rows 3x8
    Curls 3x10/Reverse Flies 3x12 Superset

    Lower A
    Squats 3x5
    Weighted Back Extensions 3x8
    Leg Press 3x10
    Leg Curls 3x10
    Ab work 3x15/Calf raises 3x12 Superset

    Upper B
    OHP 3x5
    Flies 3x10
    Pullups 3x8
    Pendlay Rows 3x8
    Face Pulls 3x12/Tricep pressdowns 3x10 Superset

    Lower B
    Front Squat 3x5
    Romanian Deadlift 3x8
    Leg Extensions 3x10
    Leg Curls 3x10
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    Quick question on the inter/advanced push pull LLP. On the legs day is it squat and deadlift on the same day? You don't alternate between squats and deads depending on what you did on the first lower day? Thanks
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    Originally Posted by leedslad13 View Post
    Quick question on the inter/advanced push pull LLP. On the legs day is it squat and deadlift on the same day? You don't alternate between squats and deads depending on what you did on the first lower day? Thanks
    Both are on the same day. However once you're advanced enough to need that program you could alternate. In my case, I don't have enough time to do both on the same day. So I simply drop DL on the lower day and do a DL/Lunge combo on the second leg day. The lunge obviously replaces the squat on the leg day.
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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    Both are on the same day. However once you're advanced enough to need that program you could alternate. In my case, I don't have enough time to do both on the same day. So I simply drop DL on the lower day and do a DL/Lunge combo on the second leg day. The lunge obviously replaces the squat on the leg day.
    Cheers bro. So you squat and dead on the first lower day?
    I'm not advanced, been running the inter upper/lower for quite a while and just fancied a change up. Will see how I get on, brutal day really squats, deads and good mornings! Make you or break you!
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    Originally Posted by leedslad13 View Post
    Cheers bro. So you squat and dead on the first lower day?
    I'm not advanced, been running the inter upper/lower for quite a while and just fancied a change up. Will see how I get on, brutal day really squats, deads and good mornings! Make you or break you!
    I only squat on the first lower day now.

    Lower- Squat, DB RDL, leg press, leg curl, calf, abs
    Legs- DL, DB lunge, leg curl, leg ext, calf, abs
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    So I am back with the intermediate upper lower, and I want to make sure that I get it right.

    I have few questions here
    1- for exercises like Lat pull down, leg extension... what is the rest period between sets? 2 min or 30 sec
    2- For reverse flies, do I do anything that considered reverse fly or there is a recommended one?
    3- I see leg curls is found in lower A and in lower b, within the same week, do I maintain the same weight for this or do I increase the load in lower B?
    4- So I understand for upper body I should be adding 5lb every 2 weeks, but what about for workouts like pullup? do I also add weights here or how is it?
    5- when I do Pendlay rows, my hamstring is activated alot, is this normal or not? not I feel I am doing the form correctly but as I said, there is alot of hamstring activation going on.


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    Really been enjoying the F5 novice routine so far (started with 2 weeks of almost no weight to get form right, then another workout A and B simply to find my approximate 5RM). Since then, removed 50% from that 5RM, and started this past week. Today will be workout #3 this week, going back to workout A with my first 15% progression. I am loving lifting for the first time in my life (and I've tried many time in the past).

    Question I have is, with only 3 workout days per week, I find myself wanting to lift everyday but being strict with the plan means I should just take my rest days. Is this normal? I can't wait for my next workout! I need to figure out what to do with myself on these days off (cardio... i know...)
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    Originally Posted by 140point6 View Post
    Really been enjoying the F5 novice routine so far (started with 2 weeks of almost no weight to get form right, then another workout A and B simply to find my approximate 5RM). Since then, removed 50% from that 5RM, and started this past week. Today will be workout #3 this week, going back to workout A with my first 15% progression. I am loving lifting for the first time in my life (and I've tried many time in the past).

    Question I have is, with only 3 workout days per week, I find myself wanting to lift everyday but being strict with the plan means I should just take my rest days. Is this normal? I can't wait for my next workout! I need to figure out what to do with myself on these days off (cardio... i know...)
    Honestly... You can run it Every other day instead of mwf.

    Providing your schedule can accommodate it.
    The 2 rest days aren't 100% necessary unless you are cutting hard, sleeping badly, going to failure on every set (which you have stated in so many words, isn't the case in your post 😉)

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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    Honestly... You can run it Every other day instead of mwf.

    Providing your schedule can accommodate it.
    The 2 rest days aren't 100% necessary unless you are cutting hard, sleeping badly, going to failure on every set (which you have stated in so many words, isn't the case in your post )

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    Awesome, thanks for that. That was my original plan, then I was worried I was doing something wrong with not taking that extra day every week. I'm taking your advice, cheers!
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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    Honestly... You can run it Every other day instead of mwf.

    Providing your schedule can accommodate it.
    The 2 rest days aren't 100% necessary unless you are cutting hard, sleeping badly, going to failure on every set (which you have stated in so many words, isn't the case in your post 😉)

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    Wait, can we go to failure on our sets? I find my self in a similar position, but I am doing intermediate. And I feel the rest days are long.

    Can I go to failure or should I stick with the reps provided? I don't want to mess with the workout balance
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    Originally Posted by Mabooz9566 View Post
    Wait, can we go to failure on our sets? I find my self in a similar position, but I am doing intermediate. And I feel the rest days are long.

    Can I go to failure or should I stick with the reps provided? I don't want to mess with the workout balance
    Failure = not getting all the reps the prescribed number of reps. Then You repeat or reset as specified.

    What You are taking about are amraps.. And no, you just do the reps listed. Going until you miss its counter productive anyway.
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    Originally Posted by 140point6 View Post
    Really been enjoying the F5 novice routine so far (started with 2 weeks of almost no weight to get form right, then another workout A and B simply to find my approximate 5RM). Since then, removed 50% from that 5RM, and started this past week. Today will be workout #3 this week, going back to workout A with my first 15% progression. I am loving lifting for the first time in my life (and I've tried many time in the past).

    Question I have is, with only 3 workout days per week, I find myself wanting to lift everyday but being strict with the plan means I should just take my rest days. Is this normal? I can't wait for my next workout! I need to figure out what to do with myself on these days off (cardio... i know...)
    Yup its normal at that level. Then once you're late intermediate/advanced you'll wish you could still make gains only lifting 3 days per week. I'm on the 5 day plan and I'd love to only lift 3 days lol.
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    For the advanced Upper/Lower and PPL, is it essential to take that off day? Or can you move it to make it so that you workout Mon-Fri and take the weekend off?
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    Originally Posted by anothergymer1 View Post
    For the advanced Upper/Lower and PPL, is it essential to take that off day? Or can you move it to make it so that you workout Mon-Fri and take the weekend off?
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    Originally Posted by anothergymer1 View Post
    For the advanced Upper/Lower and PPL, is it essential to take that off day? Or can you move it to make it so that you workout Mon-Fri and take the weekend off?
    I did the same thing in college. Workout M-F with the weekend off. It was a 3 week cycle with Wednesday being the one day of the week I just did one part of the PPL.
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    Originally Posted by anothergymer1 View Post
    For the advanced Upper/Lower and PPL, is it essential to take that off day? Or can you move it to make it so that you workout Mon-Fri and take the weekend off?
    Its something you'll have to experiment with. I don't like heavy pulling on upper day and then deadlifts the very next day. 5 days in a row overtime will burn out a lot of people. I'd be curious how this works out for you.
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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    Its something you'll have to experiment with. I don't like heavy pulling on upper day and then deadlifts the very next day. 5 days in a row overtime will burn out a lot of people. I'd be curious how this works out for you.
    I’m still learning and making mistakes but I learnt the hard way that recovery is as important as the stimulus. Take that day off what’s the hurry? You’ll be better recovered for your next workout and In turn give your muscles better stimulus
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    I’m still learning and making mistakes but I learnt the hard way that recovery is as important as the stimulus. Take that day off what’s the hurry? You’ll be better recovered for your next workout and In turn give your muscles better stimulus
    Yup. In general I think most people are probably better off with the upper lower anyway. Which solves the issue by giving op the weekends off.
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