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    double post oh noes

    edit: not a double post anymore, took too long

    just some vids which i hopefully haven't posted or else that'd be embarrassing

    ohp from bro day. 4th set of 90x3 beltless.



    the road to fixing my hitch prob continues. deadlifts from yesterday. first set was so pretty tbh i don't even know if i care about the ugly last set (ok i obv care but yea)
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    goddam. Always impressed by your lifts illini


    "I'm going to blow your mind on nutrition." Lol

    "Internet programs will only take you to where you are now, you've been on that 5x5 for way too long."
    While that is true, I'd doubt he would write anything that works for you specifically.
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    I mean the guy is a power lifter, so I'm sure he knows some good stuff. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Regardless, if he wanted to sell me he should dial it down a bit and show me some respect.

    I wish I could bench 225x10 though...

    Okay, so I'm gonna do some ultra deload on squats and:
    > Warm up with the drills he suggested.
    > Find some holding-core work to do.
    > Switch to a higher-volume squat workout till I fully switch programs.
    > Point toe for straight and push hips out, actually confirming that toes are tracking feet.
    > Do higher volume squats... like 3x10 until I can get my squats right.
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    I would still be weary. Sure he's a powerlifter but I don't think that means much.
    What is his total?
    What is his weakest lift, and how did he approach trying to improve it?


    Who has he helped, and what has he helped them do?
    That's the biggest question. Any fuktard can take a weak lifter and get him to a 185-225 squat (or we'll say 135 squat for females as I notice that's the common PT target in my gym). That's just cashing in on someone's noob gains.
    "oh, I helped this client lose 80lbs"
    Great, you took an obese person, threw them on a bike for x amount of hours, told them to not eat this food and that food, and then claimed they lost weight from your irrefutable skills.

    I'm not trying to discourage you from hiring this guy, but considering we go to the same franchised gym in nearby areas, I'd just be really weary about dishing $1500 for their help.
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    oh fuk dat, I ain't gonna reward him for being a fear mongering douche. Not hired.

    I'm just gonna try once again to fix my squats, this just gave me some OK 1-on-1 attention one time for free.

    When I told him no, I just said, "I have commit issues and will think about it"
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    Originally Posted by illiniStrive View Post

    the road to fixing my hitch prob continues. deadlifts from yesterday. first set was so pretty tbh i don't even know if i care about the ugly last set (ok i obv care but yea)
    So what made you switch to a rounded back deadlift anyway? Great lifts of course.
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    Originally Posted by DAaaMan64 View Post
    So what made you switch to a rounded back deadlift anyway? Great lifts of course.
    i've always been #teamroundback as far as deadlifts are concerned.

    here's me circa 2011



    235... big weight lol

    (and no it hasn't taken me 3 years to move my 5 rep max 70lbs lol. i took like 9 months off deadlifting summer '12 and didn't deadlift over ~240 for at least 1 yr)

    edit: just realized that was beltless. damn. woulda been sweet if i hadn't gotten injured (reracking squat) + hadn't fcked around w/ training all of senior year.
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    haha cool back story. So do you just like rounding your back? Or was it something you could just not get rid of?

    Genuine curiosity here, it just seems it is an exceptional situation.
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    Kinda related to round back deadlifting



    good stuff on omars channel lately. Some Brad Schoenfield interviews



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    Originally Posted by DAaaMan64 View Post
    haha cool back story. So do you just like rounding your back? Or was it something you could just not get rid of?

    Genuine curiosity here, it just seems it is an exceptional situation.
    Pretty sure no one likes or intentionally wants their back to round, haha. But I could be wrong.

    Everyone's built differently and it just comes naturally for some.
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    Originally Posted by ErikTheElectric View Post
    Pretty sure no one likes or intentionally wants their back to round, haha. But I could be wrong.

    Everyone's built differently and it just comes naturally for some.
    This. It just does it's thing and it works so /shrug.

    The hitching at max reps is a problem since that will prevent a lift from passing. Some controlled back rounding, not so much.
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    [QUOTE=illiniStrive;1282364321]woulda been sweet if i hadn't gotten injured (reracking squat)[/QUOTE

    I did this last a little under a year. Went to rack the weight after successful squats. Thought it was good... it wasn't. Started moving out from under the bar and the weight (somewhere in the 400s) fell and bent my upper back into hyper extension. Did not feel good, but luckily it wasn't too serious. 0 time off lifting and I just went lighter on squats/DLs for a few weeks. I dislocated me knee (non-lifting related) and that had me not squatting for a good 2-3 months last winter. It sucked, but I think it was good, because I ended up starting with more machines / alternative movements which made me end up keeping some more non-traditional stuff in my leg workouts (which I think paid off).
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    Originally Posted by illiniStrive View Post
    i've always been #teamroundback as far as deadlifts are concerned.

    here's me circa 2011



    235... big weight lol

    (and no it hasn't taken me 3 years to move my 5 rep max 70lbs lol. i took like 9 months off deadlifting summer '12 and didn't deadlift over ~240 for at least 1 yr)

    edit: just realized that was beltless. damn. woulda been sweet if i hadn't gotten injured (reracking squat) + hadn't fcked around w/ training all of senior year.
    Try to get your chest up more and ass down a tad. You're looking up, but your chest isn't up.

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    woulda been sweet if i hadn't gotten injured (reracking squat)[/QUOTE

    I did this last a little under a year. Went to rack the weight after successful squats. Thought it was good... it wasn't. Started moving out from under the bar and the weight (somewhere in the 400s) fell and bent my upper back into hyper extension. Did not feel good, but luckily it wasn't too serious. 0 time off lifting and I just went lighter on squats/DLs for a few weeks. I dislocated me knee (non-lifting related) and that had me not squatting for a good 2-3 months last winter. It sucked, but I think it was good, because I ended up starting with more machines / alternative movements which made me end up keeping some more non-traditional stuff in my leg workouts (which I think paid off).
    Yup. It was lightweight (190 or 200lbs I think), just went to rerack, left side slipped off and took me hunched down with it before I could recover and finally reracked it.

    Continued squatting and what not afterwards, competed a couple weeks later but after that had to say bye bye to deadlifts for awhile. I was so mad.

    Originally Posted by lee__d View Post
    Try to get your chest up more and ass down a tad. You're looking up, but your chest isn't up.

    Also make sure you are:

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    @da if he knew what the fuk he was talking about he'd know the bench and dead weights were way to low to see form break downs
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    @da if he knew what the fuk he was talking about he'd know the bench and dead weights were way to low to see form break downs
    Agreed, yeah it was annoying that he even insisted on critiquing my entire lifting career and diet when I explicitly requested squat help. He even implied a one-size-fits all squat form. da fuq.

    Still at least I had someone with experience to observe my squats. He's at least right about bar position.

    Though I practiced later with the adjusted bar position and just lost it. Need to start over, and get my confidence back on this lift. Just starting it has me anxious and one failure is infuriating. I really could use a damn baby sitter to set me up and help me for a few sessions.
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    Originally Posted by DAaaMan64 View Post
    Agreed, yeah it was annoying that he even insisted on critiquing my entire lifting career and diet when I explicitly requested squat help. He even implied a one-size-fits all squat form. da fuq.

    Still at least I had someone with experience to observe my squats. He's at least right about bar position.

    Though I practiced later with the adjusted bar position and just lost it. Need to start over, and get my confidence back on this lift. Just starting it has me anxious and one failure is infuriating. I really could use a damn baby sitter to set me up and help me for a few sessions.
    I know the feels you're going through right now.

    This has happened to me a couple of times. I would say that if you need it, take a bit of time to recover. Blows to the pride can often be quite harsh, but allow you to come back stronger. Have a clear goal in mind, work toward it and you'll make it. While I don't agree on a lot of his points, I'd say that at least you came away with one bit of knowledge about your bar position.

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    Originally Posted by DAaaMan64 View Post
    Back from the PT.

    So the good feedback:

    > I've got the bar wayyyy too low on low bar squats. It isn't between my traps and delts at all.
    > I had my feet pointed out too far, what I thought was my toes tracking over my knees was not that at all.
    > Back needs to up and engaged.
    > He said the problem isn't necessarily leg strength, just form.
    > He gave me a couple of good warm up routines for my squats.
    > I need 1-on-1 attention for your squats and need to completely re-learn how to squat.
    > He suggested higher volume and a recomp diet for 6 months. (echo monkay, lol)
    > After seeing my terrible squat he insisted on seeing my deadlift and bench, saying he was going "blow those out of the water" also.
    >> He observed me deadlift 135x5 and while doing a 360 said "that's actually good."
    >> He observed me bench 95x5 (lol) and was like... That's good too.

    Unfortunately, being a PT and salesman, he was not so humble about any of this. Using annoying marketing and fear mongering like:
    > Everything needs to change.
    > I'm going to blow your mind on nutrition.
    > I need 1-on-1 attention for your squats and you need to completely re-learn how to squat for the next 6 months.
    > I should be benching at least 225 for 10 by now.
    > Internet programs will only take you to where you are now, you've been on that 5x5 for way too long.

    Also, the cost was 1500 dollars for 19 sessions, of which he wanted 4 a week. uhhh no

    So if you ignore all the usual PT crap, I got some useful feedback and help outa the free session.
    I hate ******* sales people like this. Its almost like a bait and switch. I just decide to not fuk with it and post videos of form online. Which I gotta do more often.

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    congrats on the 455 erik!

    Originally Posted by InItForFitness View Post
    Only like my 3rd or 4th time working with Seated OHP.

    135 x 10 on BTN followed by 135 x 8 Standard

    6 sets of these bad boys make for one hell of a delt pump.
    been thinking about switching my db shoulder press to seated barbell, although i might do it on the smith machine (i know shoot me lol)
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    Originally Posted by InItForFitness View Post
    Only like my 3rd or 4th time working with Seated OHP.

    135 x 10 on BTN followed by 135 x 8 Standard
    haha sick job dude. I need to try out this BTN, I'd like some delt pump.

    Alright guys, I did the form outlined in "so you think you can squat" and completed a 3x3 at 155lbs. This is obviously not high enough weight to see anything serious, but I figure I will progress with this form and not ****ing change anything cause that's all I ever do. I can at least do this form in confidence.

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    Originally Posted by TypeNirvash View Post
    I know the feels you're going through right now.

    This has happened to me a couple of times. I would say that if you need it, take a bit of time to recover. Blows to the pride can often be quite harsh, but allow you to come back stronger. Have a clear goal in mind, work toward it and you'll make it. While I don't agree on a lot of his points, I'd say that at least you came away with one bit of knowledge about your bar position.

    Sometimes you just need to take a breather
    Yeah, it's hard for me to take breaks, I need an intervention or something. I'll try. Thanks for the encouragement.


    Originally Posted by VmissileX View Post
    I hate ******* sales people like this. Its almost like a bait and switch. I just decide to not fuk with it and post videos of form online. Which I gotta do more often.

    Your whole story just pisses me off...welll not pissed off at you, but at asshat salespeople.
    Yeah as usual fitness industry sucks. They love to hide behind safety.

    Originally Posted by TypeNirvash View Post
    I know the feels you're going through right now.

    This has happened to me a couple of times. I would say that if you need it, take a bit of time to recover. Blows to the pride can often be quite harsh, but allow you to come back stronger. Have a clear goal in mind, work toward it and you'll make it. While I don't agree on a lot of his points, I'd say that at least you came away with one bit of knowledge about your bar position.

    Sometimes you just need to take a breather
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    Originally Posted by themonkay View Post
    been thinking about switching my db shoulder press to seated barbell, although i might do it on the smith machine (i know shoot me lol)
    Go for it.
    Who gives a **** if it's Smith Machine or raw barbell.

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    As long as your spine and neck have no pain, jsut keep squatting like that. Probably the best squats i've ever seen from you


    Originally Posted by InItForFitness View Post
    Go for it.
    Who gives a **** if it's Smith Machine or raw barbell.

    Test it out and see what works for you.



    Personally I don't touch Smith's, but that's just me, nothing against using them.
    I probably will. I'm just debating between that and a hammer strength machine at my gym that also seems really nice for long ass arms lol.
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    Originally Posted by themonkay View Post
    @Da
    As long as your spine and neck have no pain, jsut keep squatting like that. Probably the best squats i've ever seen from you
    Will do bub. thanks for your patience with my squats.

    So annoying coincidence. after completing that 5x5 on Front Squats yesterday with my toes pointed where the PT wanted me to my knee was burning a few hours later. Damn I'm gullible. I'm pointing my knees where they are comfortable and don't cause pain. **** that guy.
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    Erik you're so theatrical with your lifts. It kinda cracks me up sometimes.
    Theatrical? You mean when I finish my lift? I'm trying to be calm(er) before I step up to the bar. lmao

    Originally Posted by themonkay View Post
    congrats on the 455 erik!



    been thinking about switching my db shoulder press to seated barbell, although i might do it on the smith machine (i know shoot me lol)
    Thanks brother.

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    I'd suggest standing strict OHP/
    Wouldn't fit with my current routine :/ nor is it really my preference. I do like the movement though and agree its way too underrated. I'll probably start standing ohp again around late October or so.
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    Wouldn't fit with my current routine :/ nor is it really my preference. I do like the movement though and agree its way too underrated. I'll probably start standing ohp again around late October or so.
    Ah. Yeah also taking into account your macros right now, it would probably hamper your recovery due to how taxing it is. ( at least for me )
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