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    I think in hindsight Haney would have carried on (knowing what Ronnie did). Could be just me but I'd say he wasn't using the same type of stuff as the competitors in the mid/late 90s plus he still had that idea that a tight waist was what was required.

    Into the 90s, the tight waists were still there but not quite the same as the 80s and prior (vacuum mostly). I think if Haney would have been willing to goto the next level and quit trying to have a super slim waist, he could have gotten even bigger and potentially beat Dorian for a few more years.

    As mentioned, at 30 odd, most guys are nowhere near their full potential so to retire then is pretty crazy, even though at the time it wasn't so crazy.
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    So, I take it no pro has ever won more than Benaziza's six pro wins? Vince Taylor equaled it in 1991 and also had a 2nd, two 3rds and a 5th (Taylor has 22 career pro wins). Big Ronnie has the most career pro wins (26), but his most wins in a year is five in 1998.

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    ^^

    The best single year is definitely not just about who's won the most contests. It's the quality too.

    Who has the best year - a guy who wins 3 smaller shows in a year or Phil Heath winning one Olympia in that same year? I know what I'd pick as being better/more successful..
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    Then I'd say Ronnie's winning the Olympia, NOC, Toronto, and two Grand Prix's would probably be the best single year a pro has ever had.
    Unless anyone can think of anyone else. Dorian won a few grand prix's and Haney only did the Olympia for most years.
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    Originally Posted by Screwtape View Post
    Then I'd say Ronnie's winning the Olympia, NOC, Toronto, and two Grand Prix's would probably be the best single year a pro has ever had.
    Unless anyone can think of anyone else. Dorian won a few grand prix's and Haney only did the Olympia for most years.
    Technically, it would be Dexter.

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    When did the AC become the second biggest bodybuilding show? Mid 90s or thereabouts?
    We're dodging more ninjitsu attacks than Flex Wheeler. We're ducking more bullets than George Farah. We're facing more death than a kid leg pressing at Branch Warren's gym.

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    I would give it to the bodybuilder that peaked the most times in one year at a level that was great enough to beat very good competition. Not sure which one that would be.
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    Originally Posted by featureless View Post
    I would give it to the bodybuilder that peaked the most times in one year at a level that was great enough to beat very good competition. Not sure which one that would be.
    Yeah, especially when you consider that these Grand Prix shows were one after the other and it was no problem to do them all in a row.

    I have a lot of respect for 90s bodybuilders, but it's not like they spent the entire year wearing posing trunks.
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    id say it should be a case of quality over quantity
    no dought most bodybuilders would sacrafice a handful of victories for a samdow
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    Originally Posted by BartPimpson View Post
    Yeah, especially when you consider that these Grand Prix shows were one after the other and it was no problem to do them all in a row.

    I have a lot of respect for 90s bodybuilders, but it's not like they spent the entire year wearing posing trunks.
    Yeah, on second thoughts it would be easy. You know, like how Kai can't even hold his peak the day after the first day of the show.
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    Originally Posted by featureless View Post
    Yeah, on second thoughts it would be easy. You know, like how Kai can't even hold his peak the day after the first day of the show.
    He can, however, "peak" for his post main-show competitions without problems.
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    Originally Posted by BartPimpson View Post
    Yeah, especially when you consider that these Grand Prix shows were one after the other and it was no problem to do them all in a row.

    I have a lot of respect for 90s bodybuilders, but it's not like they spent the entire year wearing posing trunks.
    It would still be nice IMO to see the top Pros do multiple contests in a year.

    This new trend is, win 1 show and get into the O and it's good...inb4 Sheru and AC Europe...BS cash grabs imho.

    Anyone will tell you Kai>Phil at AC Europe last year...even some Phil fans...just sayin'
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    Originally Posted by BartPimpson View Post
    When did the AC become the second biggest bodybuilding show? Mid 90s or thereabouts?
    I'm guessing from the moment Arnold decided to run his own contest.
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    Originally Posted by Unbiasedfan View Post
    He can, however, "peak" for his post main-show competitions without problems.
    Then he wouldn't be the single best in one year
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    Originally Posted by BartPimpson View Post
    When did the AC become the second biggest bodybuilding show? Mid 90s or thereabouts?
    probably early 90s, when arnold was famous and the AC was on NBC
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    Schwarzenegger in '70 can't be the best, because he never won the Arnold
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    He's joking, Iceman. The irony of Arnold not winning The Arnold, ya know?
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    he's joking, iceman. The irony of arnold not winning the arnold, ya know?
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