RANT: Google Maps said turn left?

[Orlando1234977]

My main question is: So who is the next class act we're going to see in jail/suspended from the NFL? We've got rape, we've got murder, we've got domestic assault, we've got child abuse, we've got dog fighting and animal cruelty.

You stay classy, NFL.

Any particular reason you don't bring up things that people like JJ Watt are doing?

[Final_Rep]

This brings us into the whole "who decided athletes are role models?" discussion.

And how does an athlete become a 'role model', does that only apply to the ones who are good? The ones who are in popular sports? The ones in sports you are a fan of?

I suppose there is something to be said for the way so many of us watch athletes on TV, root for them, care about how they do, know who they are, rank them in our opinion vs other players, etc.

Yep, we decided, when we put them in front of millions of people and made their every move visible to the public. IMHO the same goes for all celebrity, not just sports.

Any particular reason you don't bring up things that people like JJ Watt are doing?

I dunno what JJ Watt is doing. What's he doing?

If you mean: people also do a lot of good work, community service, etc, then you're definitely right and they deserve recognition as much as these scumbags, but positively.

[Final_Rep]

... big waiver moves coming on the 17th.

If I get none of em I'm in big trouble. If I get all of em... things are looking okay.

[Defiant1]

I don't know, bro. I pissed off the wrong guy.

I told you "You've had the rest, now try the best".








Or was that a pizza box?

[Defiant1]

Argument over a consequence.

Got heated. Lenco lost his cool a little bit.

THANKS.

The whole "Kalashnikov" thing was a little over the top. Even though you did later send out a memo saying "j/k".

[Defiant1]

This brings us into the whole "who decided athletes are role models?" discussion.

And how does an athlete become a 'role model', does that only apply to the ones who are good? The ones who are in popular sports? The ones in sports you are a fan of?

I suppose there is something to be said for the way so many of us watch athletes on TV, root for them, care about how they do, know who they are, rank them in our opinion vs other players, etc.

Yeah not sure why employers are obligated to punish non convicted accused criminals, even if what they did was apparently distasteful. Massive slippery slope there.

"Sorry, we heard you got a ticket for going 30 over. As a manager, you should be more responsible than that. Hasta luego, hermano."

[chazzy1864]

Yeah, certainly cyclical. I know what my old man got from grandpa was a helluva lot worse than what my dad dished out to me. Maybe that's why I'm softer than my dad was. Today, no chance my dad would even lay a finger on his grandkids -- maybe a wrist slap at worst. Maybe he's realized something. In terms of AP, I firmly believe that he does not think anything he did was wrong. He may want to start reflecting on that.

One thing I think qualifies as a factor is whether or not chit was done in anger. I remember times I got hit and it was when I had made my parents angry and it was in the heat of the moment. That chit legitimately hurt my feelings more than anything as a kid. Other times, I did something wrong and my mom/dad would say "you can't do this, this is why, etc. and now we have to punish you" and I'd get a whip or two with the belt or whatever and it wasn't as emotionally jarring, I just knew next time I didn't want to get my ass whipped again.

I don't have kids yet, but I have spanked my nieces/nephews on the butt when they do wrong (always just 1 swat) and then I sit them down, tell them they can't do that, ask them if they understand and hug it out and make sure to play with them for a few minutes so they know I'm not mad at them.

Anyway, just my 0.02. In the big picture I hope parents know that hitting their kids while actively angry is damaging.

Your childhood punishment sounds much like mine. I was tagged with belts, switches, spatulas, wooden spoons, and hands.

The mug shot seems like they just didn't want to enforce it on the celebrity. I know when I had to get a mug shot I went to smile (figured why not? What's done is done, I don't want to look like a normal mug shot) and they said I couldn't' do that and if they allowed me to smile that they'd get in trouble.

Any particular reason you don't bring up things that people like JJ Watt are doing?

+ Andre Johnson is always a classy guy and does lots for the community.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/andr...xans-christmas
"For the seventh straight year, All-Pro wide receiver Andre Johnson played Santa to at-risk children from Houston."

Here was the article for him in 2012:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutdo...8442--nfl.html

[PapaBurgandy]

... big waiver moves coming on the 17th.

If I get none of em I'm in big trouble. If I get all of em... things are looking okay.

Yep, same here.

[kvk1]

is everyone else just overreacting, or was my dad being an abusive jackass when I was 5-7 years old?

Your dad was being an abusive jackass when you were 5-7 years old.

I try to stay out of the convo IRL. Don't want people to think less of my dad for something I never viewed as weird/abusive.

1) He did a pretty good job of having people think less of him by beating the **** out of a defenseless 5 year old. You don't have to help along the process.

2) Of course you didn't view at as weird/abusive. You're talking about the man who you're biologically conditioned as seeing your defender and nurturer. It's cognitive dissonance.

Maybe that's why I'm softer than my dad was.

Not beating the piss out of a little kid isn't what makes you soft.

Committing physical violence against your kid as a form of "life lesson" is abuse. Plain and simple.

All these "back in the day/but my parents/call me old fashioned but" blah blah blah stories are just mental gymnastics of a person defending their parents in relation to these people who are appropriately portrayed as horrible on the news for doing the same things. Or at the very least, having the same philosophy on punishing their children.

One thing I think qualifies as a factor is whether or not chit was done in anger. I remember times I got hit and it was when I had made my parents angry and it was in the heat of the moment. That chit legitimately hurt my feelings more than anything as a kid. Other times, I did something wrong and my mom/dad would say "you can't do this, this is why, etc. and now we have to punish you" and I'd get a whip or two with the belt or whatever and it wasn't as emotionally jarring, I just knew next time I didn't want to get my ass whipped again.

Nope. Wrong either way. I'd say it's worse if it's done in a calm and calculating manner. That's some cult levels of abuse.

I don't have kids yet, but I have spanked my nieces/nephews on the butt when they do wrong (always just 1 swat) and then I sit them down, tell them they can't do that, ask them if they understand and hug it out and make sure to play with them for a few minutes so they know I'm not mad at them.

Read again what you wrote here mate.

"Just 1 swat."

SMH.

In the big picture I hope parents know that hitting their kids while actively angry is damaging.

Hitting your kids is damaging. End of line.

[kvk1]

I mean, for the record, not that it needs to be qualified, but I was also beaten the frack out of when I was little.

My dad took a giant metal shoehorn to me on several occasions. My mom also clouted me good couple of times.

If you were to ask me what the most vivid memories of my dad will be in my head, it wouldn't be playing ball in the park, driving for the first time, etc.

It would be the day he went Babe Ruth on my ass with a giant shoehorn.

My mom actually sat me down when I was like 16ish and apologized for all the times she used physical violence on me as a form of punishment.

It really was a turning point in our relationship, and how I will perceive her forever.

[im2manly]

I don't have kids yet, but I have spanked my nieces/nephews on the butt when they do wrong (always just 1 swat)

If anyone laid their hands on my child, irrespective of who they are, I'd knock them the fuk out.

[chazzy1864]

http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/15/61...god-the-carbos




Too bad they won't make a sugar free version now a days.

[kvk1]

*****://steamcommunity.com/linkfilter/?url=http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/15/6151897/coca-cola-surge-is-back-oh-god-the-carbos




Too bad they won't make a sugar free version now a days.

Did you seriously try and h t t p s link to another website through the steam community filter?

You just discover the internet this morning?

Grandma? Is that you?

[veggie530]

Read again what you wrote here mate.

"Just 1 swat."

SMH.

Hitting your kids is damaging. End of line.

We won't agree here, so I'm not going to address everything you wrote. I don't think swatting a kid's butt is inherently abusive, and I also acknowledge for some kids it would not be an effective form of discipline. I don't agree with the perspective that physical discipline is a "all or nothing" scenario. Going into a fit of rage and smacking your child across the face with a dinner plate is not synonymous with swatting them on the butt or a slap on the wrist, just my 0.02.

[kvk1]

We won't agree here, so I'm not going to address everything you wrote. I don't think swatting a kid's butt is inherently abusive, and I also acknowledge for some kids it would not be an effective form of discipline. I don't agree with the perspective that physical discipline is a "all or nothing" scenario. Going into a fit of rage and smacking your child across the face with a dinner plate is not synonymous with swatting them on the butt or a slap on the wrist, just my 0.02.

Physical violence as a form of parenting is physical violence as a form of parenting.

Your "just 1 swat" rule is another man's "boot to the face" rule.

It all perpetuates the same cycle of kids getting screwed one way or another.

But more infuriatingly, it gives ammunition to the "i'm old school y'all" crowd of parents; some of whom are literally beating their kids to a pulp and using the "just 1 swat" people as some form of societal justification.

[chazzy1864]

Did you seriously try and h t t p s link to another website through the steam community filter?

You just discover the internet this morning?

Grandma? Is that you?

I didn't pay attention to the actual address. Just quickly clicked it, then copied and pasted (I had already read the page and closed it by accident). Noticed the mistake afterwards.

[kvk1]

I didn't pay attention to the actual address. Just quickly clicked it, then copied and pasted (I had already read the page and closed it by accident). Noticed the mistake afterwards.

You're slipping son.

[veggie530]

Physical violence as a form of parenting is physical violence as a form of parenting.

Your "just 1 swat" rule is another man's "boot to the face" rule.

It all perpetuates the same cycle of kids getting screwed one way or another.

But more infuriatingly, it gives ammunition to the "i'm old school y'all" crowd of parents, some of whom are literally beating their kids to a pulp and using the "just 1 swat" people as some form of societal justification.

To address this and your other post -- you don't think your father's actions color your perspective to an extreme end of the spectrum? The only reason I said "1 swat only" was to qualify the nature of the instances, not to highlight my corporal punishment handbook.

If anyone laid their hands on my child, irrespective of who they are, I'd knock them the fuk out.

Not sure what to say to that other than having helped raise these kids when their father walked out, my sister and I provided consistent parenting styles for them and she was always the boss on what punishments were appropriate for her kids. Swats on the butts, wrist, time out chairs, etc. were always okay. Not sure if you have siblings or what your relationships were like with them, but this would never be an issue with us.

good talk guys. not really sure much else can be said. If and when I have kids, if anyone other than my wife or my sis (the people I trust) decided to take it upon themselves to discipline my kids I'd explode like a volcano, especially members of my wife's family. But, because of that, I also would never leave them in their possession -- best to avoid any bad scenarios.

[GeneralSerpant]

Somehow these computers at the library always log me on with 125% appearance size in settings. BRB.

[veggie530]

Somehow these computers at the library always log me on with 125% appearance size in settings. BRB.

Had I know this, would have posted homosexual NSFW photos/gifs. Terms of service legal, of course.

Your childhood punishment sounds much like mine. I was tagged with belts, switches, spatulas, wooden spoons, and hands.

The mug shot seems like they just didn't want to enforce it on the celebrity. I know when I had to get a mug shot I went to smile (figured why not? What's done is done, I don't want to look like a normal mug shot) and they said I couldn't' do that and if they allowed me to smile that they'd get in trouble.

That was my impression of mug shots. And yeah, my child hood sounds roughly the same. Honestly, it's ingrained in the culture of where I'm from (backwoods country area). "Getting the belt" is as common to say as "chop some kinlin" (kindling) or "clean your room." Can honestly say I know 0 people from where I'm from who had parents that didn't believe in physical discipline.

[GeneralSerpant]

Had I know this, would have posted homosexual NSFW photos/gifs. Terms of service legal, of course.

BAK. Guess I will have to be careful with you.

[darinaldi]

I've threatened to report one of the VPs in my office to CPS on several occasions, since raising a young child to be a Jets fan is tantamount to abuse.

[Farley1324]

... big waiver moves coming on the 17th.

If I get none of em I'm in big trouble. If I get all of em... things are looking okay.

Getcha knile davis' ready

[veggie530]

I've threatened to report one of the VPs in my office to CPS on several occasions, since raising a young child to be a Jets fan is tantamount to abuse.

Thank you for the much needed comedy relief, lol

[kvk1]

To address this and your other post -- you don't think your father's actions color your perspective to an extreme end of the spectrum? The only reason I said "1 swat only" was to qualify the nature of the instances, not to highlight my corporal punishment handbook.

No, because like I said my mom also provided the "lighter" forms of punishments you're promoting.

I viewed it all the same. The bruises and tears last all of about a day or two. The emotional and psychological scars are what's important.

And like I said, I am eternally grateful she sat me down later in life and we talked it over.

At the end of the day it's your parents, the people entrusted with your well being, resorting to physical violence as some sort of formative lesson because apparently all other options have been exhausted.

On a little kid, by the way, who hasn't formed the the faculties of right/wrong, isn't yet capable of understanding why you're hitting him, but will forever equate physical violence as providing "correctional help" in any given situation.

That's shit parenting.

[Orlando1234977]

Never been abused as a child crew checking in

x2 and hearing people talk about it is kind of boring to me. I'm a free thinker and my creativity was always encouraged.

+ I'm all about that bass.

[darinaldi]

I think corporal punishment is ineffective, counterproductive, frequently harmful, and generally a chickensh*t way of enforcing discipline on young children, and to me it's best left on the scrapheap of "the way it's always been" like Jim Crow laws or bloodletting to balance your humors.

But debating pros and cons of corporal punishment obscures the issue of what AP did; the injuries he inflicted on that kid are straight-up child abuse and anyone defending that level of punishment seriously needs therapy.



Not to mention that Mike Ditka bloviated on the air about how hid dad beating the crap out of him as a kid made him the man he is today, and since Ditka is a stupid, hateful jackass, terrible analyst, and terrible coach, it's pretty safe to say that anything Ditka supports is wrong.

[PeterGibbons316]

Physical violence as a form of parenting is physical violence as a form of parenting.

Your "just 1 swat" rule is another man's "boot to the face" rule.

It all perpetuates the same cycle of kids getting screwed one way or another.

But more infuriatingly, it gives ammunition to the "i'm old school y'all" crowd of parents; some of whom are literally beating their kids to a pulp and using the "just 1 swat" people as some form of societal justification.

IMO if you have to use an object (essentially a weapon) to be able to inflict more damage to your child you have overstepped the line between spanking and beating. I find spanking to be an acceptable form of punishment, beating - not so much.

I think there is a grey area for what constitutes discipline vs. child abuse, but I'd like to think that we can move away from using weapons to beat our children.

[veggie530]

No, because like I said my mom also provided the "lighter" forms of punishments you're promoting.

I viewed it all the same. The bruises and tears last all of about a day or two. The emotional and psychological scars are what's important.

And like I said, I am eternally grateful she sat me down later in life and we talked it over.

At the end of the day it's your parents, the people entrusted with your well being, resorting to physical violence as some sort of formative lesson because apparently all other options have been exhausted.

On a little kid, by the way, who hasn't formed the the faculties of right/wrong, isn't yet capable of understanding why you're hitting him, but will forever equate physical violence as providing "correctional help" in any given situation.

That's shit parenting.

Heh, my mom was the opposite. She was explosive compared to my dad. I imagine it'd be difficult to view your mom knowing what type of behaviors she allowed to happen, sorry to hear that, glad you got to have a heart to heart with her. I've had a similar conversation with my father when I was in my early 20's. The worst punishment I remember as a kid, though, wasn't any time I got hit. It was when they decided not to hit and make me sit in the corner of the room with my nose facing in the corner so I could think about what I had done wrong. BRB kid with the energy of six squirrels having to sit in a corner for 10 minutes.

To the bolded -- this I can agree with whole heartedly. I know for a fact the evidence in the field supports that violent behaviors beget violent behaviors. All I did was look for a reason to fight from the age of about 12 to 20 when I realized I was too pretty for jail.

[im2manly]

To address this and your other post -- you don't think your father's actions color your perspective to an extreme end of the spectrum? The only reason I said "1 swat only" was to qualify the nature of the instances, not to highlight my corporal punishment handbook.



Not sure what to say to that other than having helped raise these kids when their father walked out, my sister and I provided consistent parenting styles for them and she was always the boss on what punishments were appropriate for her kids. Swats on the butts, wrist, time out chairs, etc. were always okay. Not sure if you have siblings or what your relationships were like with them, but this would never be an issue with us.

good talk guys. not really sure much else can be said. If and when I have kids, if anyone other than my wife or my sis (the people I trust) decided to take it upon themselves to discipline my kids I'd explode like a volcano, especially members of my wife's family. But, because of that, I also would never leave them in their possession -- best to avoid any bad scenarios.

I have 2 brothers and a sister great people. They touch my kid they'll get one punch to the face.

No, because like I said my mom also provided the "lighter" forms of punishments you're promoting.

I viewed it all the same. The bruises and tears last all of about a day or two. The emotional and psychological scars are what's important.

And like I said, I am eternally grateful she sat me down later in life and we talked it over.

At the end of the day it's your parents, the people entrusted with your well being, resorting to physical violence as some sort of formative lesson because apparently all other options have been exhausted.

On a little kid, by the way, who hasn't formed the the faculties of right/wrong, isn't yet capable of understanding why you're hitting him, but will forever equate physical violence as providing "correctional help" in any given situation.

That's shit parenting.

Please don't start a sentence with "and". It may not technically be wrong, but it ain't right nomsayin.