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    Bought a 10mm pioneer cut at Pioneers Christmas sale. Arrived yesterday, so it took about 3 weeks to make and then ship to New Zealand from Texas. This thing looks seriously well made, alot more rigid than my old harbinger ever was. The single prong is really easy to get into either row of holes. It even smells awesome. All black everything.





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    Originally Posted by DreadPir8 View Post
    I do get all the way down. In that case - definitely use a belt?

    You’re right I was actually surprised today watching these two guys do squats go like 1/4th the way down. Was wondering what they were doing because before that they were curling what I bench
    My point about what they do, squats specifically since you were talking about them, is that it doesn't matter what other people do + in most gyms you don't want to do what other people do because they are almost all wrong especially when it comes to squats and deads
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    Still haven't made up my mind on a belt. Really liking the look of that Rogue Pioneer Cut collab. Anyone know if Rogue does Black Friday deals?
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    Looks like elitefts has a 13mm Pioneer Cut as well...
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    Looks like elitefts has a 13mm Pioneer Cut as well...
    And A7 and Iron Tanks and several others, too.
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    Originally Posted by RunningTall View Post
    Looks like elitefts has a 13mm Pioneer Cut as well...
    I just bought one. I'll probably sell it though as I just like a lever belt better.
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    Originally Posted by smokinHawk View Post
    I just bought one. I'll probably sell it though as I just like a lever belt better.
    Fuuuuuu they're sold out of mediums. What size did you get?
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    In fact I like Morgan more than the Titan because Morgan is softer and more comfortable, though, to be honest, I bought my Titan 2 years ago and it has served quite well for all that time )
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    LOL....for whatever reason my tablet isn't letting me copy the text even though I can highlight it but looks like Inzer updated their description of its belt

    http://www.inzernet.com/detail_belt....RBELT_BUCKLE13

    They say that it has an "exclusive Reinforced Leather component" that will "enhance the breaking in process"

    I guess Pioneer's video forced them to admit they add something in addition to the sole leather.

    Truth be told, the robus leather didn't bug me but it was a 10mm belt
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    Originally Posted by KoolDJVader View Post
    LOL....for whatever reason my tablet isn't letting me copy the text even though I can highlight it but looks like Inzer updated their description of its belt

    http://www.inzernet.com/detail_belt....RBELT_BUCKLE13

    They say that it has an "exclusive Reinforced Leather component" that will "enhance the breaking in process"

    I guess Pioneer's video forced them to admit they add something in addition to the sole leather.

    Truth be told, the robus leather didn't bug me but it was a 10mm belt
    Some people like the stiffness, some don't. I know Matt didn't like that they were flat out lying.

    They still claim "one solid thickness" of the leather without "layers glued together cheaply to make thickness". Which is still not really true (13mm is multiple layers of leather...).

    Also, on spread. That's a solid update, and a good chuckle for the morning. (They trademarked "reinforced leather")
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    Ordered this bad boy around Black Friday for Christmas. Have been using it for about 3 weeks and man it's legit. I was a little worried about the thickness since I don't have any experience with the 13" but I swear it's breaking in super fast, since Day 1 I could feel it! It's a tank, I feel so secure and powerful in it. And the smell... that real leather smell hnnngghhh! Thanks to all you guys for your help and advice picking out a belt. I already shattered a 40 lb squat PR in it!

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    This is a comparison of Inzer and Metal, sometimes called GoMetal, belts.
    I won't add any prong vs lever considerations.

    I couldn't find anything when buying my metal belt so thought I'd add it here.

    First, they are made in Finland, and arrived to my place in NZ in 6 days from ordering which is pretty incredible. So they blow Inzers speed and customer service away. This is the "stiff" version.

    The Metal is thicker (rated 11-12mm) and stiffer, but when worn I don't notice the extra thickness as support. In the last pic you will see the belt becomes thinner about 80% of the way though it, as if it's made from different pieces of leather of different thickness (in the photo it looks massively exaggerated, it's about 2mm different). I don't mind, but I imagine a lot of people would. The Inzer is very uniform.

    The Metal belt has an extra row of stitching. The Metal belt has a slight taper on the edges which I like, I don't mind sacrificing like 1% of the surface area to stop it digging into my hips/ribs so much!

    The Metal belt has less glue, and the outer suede isn't as sealed as Inzer, this is cosmetic.

    To me, the Metal belt feels sturdier and I think it will last longer, but the Inzer is better made.

    To get to NZ, the Metal belt cost $160NZD, and the Inzer around $280NZD (mainly shipping costs), the belts themselves are a similar price, but that's a big price difference.

    If you have to deal with expensive shipping, I recommend Metal, but if you are in USA etc, it's probably worth the extra $10-20 or so and going for Inzer.

    Happy with both, probably gonna sell the Inzer though for my personal prong preference. Compared to cheaper belts such as Shieck's, they are both a world apart.
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    Great thread ! But, overseas the choices aren't as great. Here's a review for all of our U.K. and European brethren, on a belt over there.
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    Because of tax returns and wanting to give lever belts another chance, I recently made another purchase from Pioneer....this time a 13mm untreated lever belt. Why untreated? Because through trial and error I found that I prefer a very thick and stiff belt.

    Ive had an Inzer 10mm lever belt many years ago and while I liked the support and the ease of putting the belt on and taking it off, the overlap part never felt right and just wore prong belts exclusively since around 2014.

    Anyway Ive had the new lever belt for a while but since I was only squatting ultra light today, decide it was a good day to test it out.

    Its weird, Im a manlet but a belt this thick and stiff does not bother me at all. What was bothering me was how to position the belt. I put it on right away today, even with 135. It was a bit tighter than I would like but loosening it up one hole was a bit too loose. Finally I think I found the correct way....I try to get the overlap area, where it becomes double thick, right in the center of my abs. I feel this distributes the support best....one side of the my body doesn't have more of the double thick area than the other. Oddly enough on prong belts due to the buckle, this area of the body usually isn't covered by the belt.

    Most lever belt users probably already knew this but I use to just center the lever and lock it in which usually put a little more of the overlap area to side. So it was EUREKA moment for me.

    Anyway, you need pics for this forum so here it is. Nothing extra other than asked for double stitching. And no matter what Matt says about the turnaround time (he usually says 4-6 weeks for non embroidered if I recall correctly), I've never waited more than 2 weeks to get my belt from them

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    I am 46, have lifted for years with no belt. My back hurts more times than not. Actually it prevents me from lifting. I should. Just stop being cheap and buy one
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    thanks for this detailed guide on using a belt in the gym.
    a few days back I got a severe backache, so I was looking at how, when, and on which exercises I should use the belt specifically.
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    thanks for this detailed guide on using a belt in the gym.
    a few days back I got a severe backache, so I was looking at how, when, and on which exercises I should use the belt specifically.
    If you have back pain then you need to get checked out by a doctor. A belt isn't going to solve it. Even once your back is fixed, a belt won't prevent injury. Correct form will do that.
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    Originally Posted by radrd View Post
    If you have back pain then you need to get checked out by a doctor. A belt isn't going to solve it. Even once your back is fixed, a belt won't prevent injury. Correct form will do that.
    I know it's the posture that matters the most when working out. And as I was in severe back pain I was thinking might a belt will support my back, so that I do not miss my exercise...
    And thanks for your advice.
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    Originally Posted by EricWillson View Post
    I know it's the posture that matters the most when working out. And as I was in severe back pain I was thinking might a belt will support my back, so that I do not miss my exercise...
    And thanks for your advice.
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    That's a bad idea ... Firstly, a belt can make you feel no pain while you are working out for a while, but it only seems like that, it can hide pain but not cure. Secondly, if you fix your back with a belt it can shift a load on other parts instead of strengthening your back.
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