Early birds fantasy football discussion

[yuja]

Let me just finish this out for you:

Doug Martin wouldn't have even been an RB1 in 2012 if not for one or two big games.

Ryan Mathews is a no talent hack who never accomplished anything and will never be worth owning.

Calvin Johnson isn't worth an early first round pick.

There's nothing wrong with Arian Foster, he isn't an injury risk, he's just resting, he'll be a top-3 RB for sure.

Trent Richardson is talented, ignore that he only had a 3.6ypc avg (or was it 3.4?) his rookie year, he'll be the engine of the offense.

Did I miss any good ones?

(other than the one I got wrong about Andre Brown)







And there's no Y in Larry Fitzgerald

dis one

and demarco murray

[Impurityz]

Let me just finish this out for you:

Doug Martin wouldn't have even been an RB1 in 2012 if not for one or two big games.

Ryan Mathews is a no talent hack who never accomplished anything and will never be worth owning.

Calvin Johnson isn't worth an early first round pick.

There's nothing wrong with Arian Foster, he isn't an injury risk, he's just resting, he'll be a top-3 RB for sure.

Trent Richardson is talented, ignore that he only had a 3.6ypc avg (or was it 3.4?) his rookie year, he'll be the engine of the offense.

Did I miss any good ones?

(other than the one I got wrong about Andre Brown)







And there's no Y in Larry Fitzgerald

could you explain how to spell Vareen?

[Iceman1800]

With the addition of sure hands Golden Tate, don't you think Calvin Johnson's stock would be even better?

[Farley1324]

With the addition of sure hands Golden Tate, don't you think Calvin Johnson's stock would be even better?

To be clear, my list was referring to things from last year. And I was joking, my opinions were the opposite of what I posted above.

Last year I argued that Calvin Johnson was worthy of an early first round pick (I took him 6th in one league and considered him for 2nd, but people said that was stupid ), I regularly pointed out that Doug Martin was a top ~9 RB even if you arbitrarily removed every RBs two best games, I said that Ryan Mathews had value and was actually talented and pointed out that the whole 'Sproles will steal his 3rd downs' thing was stupid because Mathews hardly ever got 3rd down situations to begin with, and I was very skeptical of Trent Richardson/CJ Spiller

And I also made it a point to argue against the stupid statement that two WR's from the same team is bad, because there's no reason to avoid two WR's from the same team, provided that you don't mind them sharing a bye week. I drafted Demaryius Thomas and Wes Welker for my main league to put my money where my mouth was, and it went great until Welker got injured and missed the fantasy playoffs

[sweetjess1951]

I'm surprised there has been no mention of Gio Bernard. He had a stellar rookie year and I think he would only continue to improve.

[reverse79]

I like Donald Brown as a handcuff for Ryan Matthews...because you know he's going down at some point


Let's talk some defense - I really like Tampa this year - especially how they came on strong late last year and Lovie is running the show


LDE Da'Quan Bowers
LDT Gerald McCoy
RDT Akeem Spence
RDE Michael Johnson
WLB Lavonte David
MLB Mason Foster
SLB Danny Lansanah
CB Alterraun Verner
SS Mark Barron
FS Dashon Goldson
CB Johnthan Banks



also...Saints, Cleveland as sleepers

[DAVEZILLA]

damn I have football fever bad...when do the mock drafts start in yahoo??...

[Madvillainy]

where would you guys take doug martin and arian foster this year? i think both will have bounceback seasons but am not sure how high i should value them.

and stafford ****ing sucks if he can't put up huge numbers (and limit his interceptions) with that dangerous of a receiving group

[yuja]

To be clear, my list was referring to things from last year. And I was joking, my opinions were the opposite of what I posted above.

Last year I argued that Calvin Johnson was worthy of an early first round pick (I took him 6th in one league and considered him for 2nd, but people said that was stupid ), I regularly pointed out that Doug Martin was a top ~9 RB even if you arbitrarily removed every RBs two best games, I said that Ryan Mathews had value and was actually talented and pointed out that the whole 'Sproles will steal his 3rd downs' thing was stupid because Mathews hardly ever got 3rd down situations to begin with, and I was very skeptical of Trent Richardson/CJ Spiller

And I also made it a point to argue against the stupid statement that two WR's from the same team is bad, because there's no reason to avoid two WR's from the same team, provided that you don't mind them sharing a bye week. I drafted Demaryius Thomas and Wes Welker for my main league to put my money where my mouth was, and it went great until Welker got injured and missed the fantasy playoffs

Sproles....?

damn I have football fever bad...when do the mock drafts start in yahoo??...

Tomorrow or sometime early june

[ChildPlz13]

Players I'm going to be targeting this year. RGIII, their defense is going to suck and he has pierre garcon and desean jackson to pass it too so a bunch of shoot outs. Darren Sproles, lesean mccoy, and jeremy maclin, I'm going to try and come out with two of the three players from this group because I have faith in chip kelly and his ability to put up points. Also I think you should be able get Maclin a little later this year too. Hakeem Nicks, he has a one year contract and more times than not a player will play better during a contract year. My concerns with him though is can he stay healthy, if he can I'm thinking 1100 yards and 8 touchdowns this year. Also, I'm going to take a flyer on Travis Kelcee TE kansas city chiefs. He is going to be a second year player who was hurt last, but KC will be having a lot of two TE sets this year and he has the tools to be a decent TE starter this year.

[jross2021]

I'm hoping to get Markus Wheaton pretty late. Looking to be the #2 for Pittsburgh this year. A lot of teams will be targeting brown after his huge year, so Wheaton could be in for some nice numbers.

[Murph0408]

where would you guys take doug martin and arian foster this year? i think both will have bounceback seasons but am not sure how high i should value them.

and stafford ****ing sucks if he can't put up huge numbers (and limit his interceptions) with that dangerous of a receiving group

probably second round although i bet if they both have good camps/preseasons you'll see people taking them in the late first. especially foster, i like him a bit more than martin. foster's a fantasy god and he seems to be healthy according to all reports so far

[yuja]

probably second round although i bet if they both have good camps/preseasons you'll see people taking them in the late first. especially foster, i like him a bit more than martin. foster's a fantasy god and he seems to be healthy according to all reports so far

drafting foster in 2/3rd crew checking in

not sure of ADP atm though, will check when yahoo mocks open

[yuja]

yahoo is open now guise

[GriffinForce]

Some first round thoughts:

Who goes #1 overall? Could Jamaal possibly replicate last season? Or is it safer to stick with AP? I think McCoy will suffer a little now that defenses don't need to worry about Desean.

Where is an acceptable place to draft Calvin? Last year I had the #5 pick in a 10 man league and 4 straight RBs were taken before me so I took Calvin and I don't regret it. Now that defenses need to respect Ebron and Tate I think Calvin is due for another monster year. I think the earliest I would take him is 4 depending on what was taken before him.

Where do people think Decker will be drafted? It remains to be seen if he can succeed without Peyton but he will definitely get the most targets on the Jets. 5th round?

[reverse79]

Some first round thoughts:

Who goes #1 overall? Could Jamaal possibly replicate last season? Or is it safer to stick with AP? I think McCoy will suffer a little now that defenses don't need to worry about Desean.

Where is an acceptable place to draft Calvin? Last year I had the #5 pick in a 10 man league and 4 straight RBs were taken before me so I took Calvin and I don't regret it. Now that defenses need to respect Ebron and Tate I think Calvin is due for another monster year. I think the earliest I would take him is 4 depending on what was taken before him.

Where do people think Decker will be drafted? It remains to be seen if he can succeed without Peyton but he will definitely get the most targets on the Jets. 5th round?

Staying far away from Decker.

He will attract the best corner ...qb situation is potato...and I expect them to run a lot.

[yuja]

Some first round thoughts:

Who goes #1 overall? Could Jamaal possibly replicate last season? Or is it safer to stick with AP? I think McCoy will suffer a little now that defenses don't need to worry about Desean.

Where is an acceptable place to draft Calvin? Last year I had the #5 pick in a 10 man league and 4 straight RBs were taken before me so I took Calvin and I don't regret it. Now that defenses need to respect Ebron and Tate I think Calvin is due for another monster year. I think the earliest I would take him is 4 depending on what was taken before him.

Where do people think Decker will be drafted? It remains to be seen if he can succeed without Peyton but he will definitely get the most targets on the Jets. 5th round?

I'm taking McCoy, followed by Charles, then AP

Calvin could go as high as #4 after the 3 studs are gone, and there are plenty RBs in the later rounds (Gore, Vereen, Bell, Sankey, Tate Moreno, SJax).

Decker's o-rank in Yahoo is 82, and I still don't want him. He'll get his RZ TDs, but I don't trust Geno. Rather have T-Will (80), Shorts (89), Wallace (91), or Wayne (77) over him. Or even Sanders at 90

of course Yahoo o-rank's will probably change a lot..but that's just how it is atm

[GriffinForce]

Staying far away from Decker.

He will attract the best corner ...qb situation is potato...and I expect them to run a lot.

yeah but for the sake of argument the qb situation will be vastly improved this year whether it be Geno actually having options or Vick stepping in.

[Murph0408]

Some first round thoughts:

Who goes #1 overall? Could Jamaal possibly replicate last season? Or is it safer to stick with AP? I think McCoy will suffer a little now that defenses don't need to worry about Desean.

Where is an acceptable place to draft Calvin?

unless something happens to him over the summer, this is jamaal's year to be the top dog. i don't know if that's the right call, you can draft mccoy and be perfectly happy with it, but i'm sure the consensus will be jamaal. or hey, you can say screw it and take AP, there are no rules and nobody really knows until the games happen.

as for calvin you can take him anywhere you want, he has a good #2 receiver to take a little pressure away now and is a lock to dominate his position. i love a lot of the (slightly) lower ranked WRs like dez, julio, monster marshall, etc but calvin is clearly the greatest at what he does. i'd say the same thing about jimmy graham, if you spend your big pick on a guy like that i have no qualms with it

[2445ricardo]

Only draft pass-catching RBs Crew

[dhawkeye1980]

What do you guys think of ingram/pierre thomas now that sproles is gone? Which one as an rb3?

[yuja]

What do you guys think of ingram/pierre thomas now that sproles is gone? Which one as an rb3?

no khiry no care

i'd prefer PT over all three, but wouldn't bet on strong production from any

ESPN Saints reporter Mike Triplett pegs second-year RB Khiry Robinson as a 2014 breakout candidate.
Signs have been pointing to an increased role for Robinson since he posted a 21-102-4.9-1 rushing line across two playoff games. The jump from West Texas A&M to the NFL was a tough one, as Robinson said early on he was "basically just running, hoping I went the right way." His role increased in the postseason and coach Sean Payton says Robinson is "a lot further along." With Payton wanting to run the ball more, Robinson should be a main beneficiary. His 2014 upside will be capped by Pierre Thomas and Mark Ingram, but both could be in their final seasons with New Orleans.

[dhawkeye1980]

I'm surprised there has been no mention of Gio Bernard. He had a stellar rookie year and I think he would only continue to improve.

Gets goalline looks taken away from him by BJGE. He is good for PPR leagues tho

[Farley1324]

Gets goalline looks taken away from him by BJGE. He is good for PPR leagues tho

Last year BJGE had 18 carries inside the 10. Giovani Bernard had 10.

Last year law firm (BJGE) was the starter with Gio as a change of pace/3rd down back/home run hitter, who never received more than 15 carries in any single game. This year they drafted a rookie RB in the second round who looks to take over for law firm (who had a terrible YPC average of like 3.4 last year), BUT Giovani is set to be the starter this year, with law firm/new guy as the 2nd and 3rd backs.

[sircharles032]

Keeper league - Dez Bryant or AJ Green? Already have Shady in my top spot so which of these studs should I keep in my 2nd spot?

[Farley1324]

Keeper league - Dez Bryant or AJ Green? Already have Shady in my top spot so which of these studs should I keep in my 2nd spot?

That's a sweeet 1-2 punch of keepers.

I don't think you can go wrong with either choice there.

I'd probably take Green because he isn't the head case Dez is. But I think Dez has more potential. It's just...he's not terribly mature and is a bit of a head case. But then Green has Dalton, so...

[sircharles032]

That's a sweeet 1-2 punch of keepers.

I don't think you can go wrong with either choice there.

I'd probably take Green because he isn't the head case Dez is. But I think Dez has more potential. It's just...he's not terribly mature and is a bit of a head case. But then Green has Dalton, so...

The Dalton thing is always an issue but Green seems to be more consistent. What happens to Dez when Romo is done or gets hurt again? More issues surrounding him so I'm probably leaning AJ but it's too early to really call it. Dez's ceiling is def higher, though.

[ChalupaBatman]

I'd probably take Green because he isn't the head case Dez is. But I think Dez has more potential. It's just...he's not terribly mature and is a bit of a head case.

This exactly.

[dhawkeye1980]

Last year BJGE had 18 carries inside the 10. Giovani Bernard had 10.

Last year law firm (BJGE) was the starter with Gio as a change of pace/3rd down back/home run hitter, who never received more than 15 carries in any single game. This year they drafted a rookie RB in the second round who looks to take over for law firm (who had a terrible YPC average of like 3.4 last year), BUT Giovani is set to be the starter this year, with law firm/new guy as the 2nd and 3rd backs.

Then he shoukd have a great year i put him in last year over morris in the games BJGE was hurt and he did great so id imagine a 1200+ yard season and 12 TDs. Plus another 300+ receiving

[dhawkeye1980]

Keeper league - Dez Bryant or AJ Green? Already have Shady in my top spot so which of these studs should I keep in my 2nd spot?

Green