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04-15-2014, 03:11 PM #571
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04-15-2014, 03:17 PM #572
Its 99% the same. Novice is just the first 3 lifts (squat/bench/row) done in the 4-8 rep range, with 3 sets instead of 2. Its about the same amount of reps in the workout, just with an extra 90 second rest. You really should only switch to it if you are doing 75% bw for bench and 100% bw for squat. Its a nice segway to allpro intermediate v2 which is 4 sets of squat/bench/row in the 4-8 rep range.
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04-15-2014, 04:11 PM #573
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04-15-2014, 04:55 PM #574
Worst test day ever. Decided to try a home made mass gainer shake today which was basically 2 cups of whole milk, 2 tables spoons of peanut butter, a banana, 2 scoops of protein and 2 ounces of heavy whipping cream. So I drank about half of it an hour before going to the gym. As soon as i finished doing my squats i started to feel a bit queesy. Managed to pass everything except for the bench press. Didn't do biceps and calf raises cus after the sldl i ran to the bathroom where i just let everything up. Then called it a day. I might try drinking the shake in the morning so i have a few hours to make sure its digested but i duno if i want to give that a go again.
squat 205 pass
bench 140 set one complete, set two did seven reps fail
bent over row 120 pass
shoulder press 75 pass
deadlift 190 pass
bicep incomplete..... busy puking so ill count it as a fail
calf raises....still puking so ill count it as a fail
I may just re do test day on friday and see how everything goesLast edited by ClassActJack; 04-15-2014 at 05:01 PM.
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04-15-2014, 05:29 PM #575
This is a beginner routine and each week we have someone who starts out with the bar for at least the light day. Thats a big leap from that to say 1 plate for the bench. I switched to the novice at 1 plate (135lbs) and it really helped my bad shoulder (kids dont go swimming on the east coast when there is a hurricane coming, even though its cool as hell to have surf-able waves, rocks hurt). The who beginner/novice routine kinda ends at body weight for 12 for bench and 1.5 bw for 12 for squat. within 2 cycles of hitting those you wont be able to go up 10% a month any more, and have to switch to something else like all pro intermediate v2 or greyskull LP. Anything with linear progression (either with reps or weight) without the weekly deload (light day) would work. You figure if you hit 300lbs on the squat in 18 months, it might take a year to hit 400lbs, and another year to hit 440.
Mix up your protein sources and add alot more fiber. My favorite is peanut butter and banana sandwiches on wheat. The macros are something around 400 cals and 18 grams of protein per sandwich. Eat 2 throughout the day and you hit 1/3 your protein needs of the day and enough extra calories to gain a pound a week if you also started lifting and do a couple 5k (come on they are 20min if you dog it) runs per week.
In Other news i just hit a new PR of 6 reps of 185 on the squat for my 3rd heavy (and last) session of the week. I Dont know what happened but 30 days ago i worked up to 185, collapsed at the 3rd rep, and had to crawl out from under the safety pins. I went down to 1 plate and worked my way back up over the month. I think my problem is i was setting the bar too high on the rack ( 6" hole spacing, so either just at shoulder or at nipples). Now i just dive into it and i can lift it with a tight core.
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04-15-2014, 06:19 PM #576
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04-15-2014, 07:08 PM #577
With this routine lately i havent been eating as much and not as often as i should but have been maintaning my weight somehow...wondering best method to shed some fat but i dont want to drop to much weight if that makes sense...im 166 now and cant decide if i should bulk more or if i eat at maintenance and do the routine or where to go...
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04-15-2014, 09:58 PM #578
In the original All Pro thread, it was recommended to eat at maintenance for one 5 week cycle and adjust from there based on personal results and goals. I started this on a cutting diet and lost 2 percent body fat over the first couple of weeks with a little extra cardio over the recommended amount. Granted that isn't much, but it was what I needed to achieve.
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04-16-2014, 02:41 AM #579
I will go back to the gym for another test run and adjust the weight for the squats as that's the only exercise I really need more time to recover due to my diaphragm and lungs being under more pressure due to being more compressed.
My form after 10 yrs off is still good and had an instructor correct me at the bottom of the squat as I was dipping forward slightly, so think I am ready to go with the form side of things. I only managed 90kg for 10reps and know I won't be able to do it twice so I will drop the weight as you suggested.
I will definitely be posting B&A pics with a little right up as it's a life changing thing for me. I am now having to use a nebuliser once a day to help stop lung infections. Hopefully they will inspire someone who thinks they are passed it to make that big leap.
Thanks for your helpLast edited by Doughnutfingers; 04-16-2014 at 05:15 AM.
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04-16-2014, 04:03 AM #580
First heavy and medium day done, did great on the medium day, but had trouble on the heavy day ( Bench 7 reps x2 .. ) and I need to practice my position for the deadlifts !
Deadlifts 135
Squats 110 --> 81% bw
Calf raises 100
Bench 90 --> 67% bw
Rows 85
Overhead press 50
Barbell curls 50
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04-16-2014, 04:45 AM #581
Strength will start going down a 5days-2 weeks from your last heavy day. Contrary to popular belief, muscle size doesnt go down till months after your last workout, if you eat at maintenance.
Week 1 is the deload. if i was going longer term i would do week 2 heavy day once a week to maintain strength. You could probably run like that for over a month if you eat at maintenance.
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04-16-2014, 05:43 AM #582
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04-16-2014, 07:51 AM #583
Finished Cycle 3 Week 1 then life happened and I have not made it to the gym in a week so I am going to restart cycle 3.
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04-16-2014, 08:06 AM #584
ok so I have mentioned I am somewhat struggling but I also readily admit I am butchering the program and doing a little too much work and eating maintenance or a little above this week. The reason for this is I have been working out on a crappy program before this for 2 years that had an absolute ton of volume. I seem to respond better to more frequency and work though. it seems like weekly deloading weakens me, the heavy day weights are really heavy on monday but if I do them again on say thursday they are not as heavy. doing medium wednesday and light friday, then heavy again monday makes monday very heavy does that make sense? more like Heavy monday, medium wednesday, heavy friday works better makes the following heavy monday easier (God this sounds dumb even as I write it). Anyway here are my weights (never squatted, rowed, OHP or SLDL/DL before this program)
Squat 130 3x8-12
Bench 130 3x8-12
Rows 90 3x8-12
OHP 60 3x8-12
SLDL 90 3x8-12
curls 65 3x8-12
pull ups 3x8-12
I do calf raises on "off" days because I climb stairs with a weighted backpack for 30 minutes for cardio
based on this crap should I just move to this "novice" programming with 3x6-10? I seem to prefer 3 work sets as well. Maybe go to the intermediate based on the 2 years of previous dedicated consistent workouts and the adaptations that go along with that? The only thing that made the previous program crap was the actual split and working the same muscles nearly every day in some cases.
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04-16-2014, 08:32 AM #585
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04-16-2014, 08:46 AM #586
Two questions regarding the routine
Question 1: The first day is heavy workout, the second of medium which is basically -10% of your weights on the first day, and the third day is light workout which is -20%. So if I bench 60kg on the 3rd+4th set on the first day (which basically mean I should bench 15kg on the first set and then 30kg on second set). Does that mean I should bench 13.5 kg on the first set and 27kg on the second set and then 54kg on the third and fourth sets of the second day? Or does the -10% and -20% only count for 3rd and 4th workout sets?
Question 2: Are we talking about total weights(inclyde the bar?) so if I can bench 60kg total (20 kg eachside of the bar) does that mean I should start the first set with just the bar? (Since 60/4=15kg, but the bar weights 20kg)
Or are we talking about the weights besides the BAR? (So first set I lift with 5kg on each side since 40/4=10)
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04-16-2014, 09:26 AM #587
Pick 2 weights to use for warmups, use them for the entire month. The 25/50% was an example. Alot of people dont use it since its not even close to working weight.
Yes all weights used/calculated/posted should include the bar.
If your warmup is less than bar, use bar for warmup.
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04-16-2014, 10:37 AM #588View my progress at http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=154724503
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04-16-2014, 11:49 AM #589
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04-16-2014, 02:02 PM #590
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04-16-2014, 04:05 PM #591
I've been thinking about throwing some plates under my heels next time I squat. Right now I'm just rocking some converse chucks to the gym, a flat soled shoe. I feel my form is pretty ace, its just when I squat I'm forced to lean slightly forward so the pressure is more in the centre of my foot rather in then on my heels at the bottom of the squat. I would sit further back on my heels but if i do i know the weight will cause me to fall back. OR i may invest in some olympic lifting shoes if i can find a distributer around me. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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04-16-2014, 06:00 PM #592
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04-16-2014, 07:54 PM #593
Did my testing few days ago to start the program, novice program so 3 sets for reps progressing from 4 to 8 on first three exercises.
This is what I got..
Squat-135lbs for 6 reps. Gonna start here. Maybe had another rep and I got 185lbs for one few days before but was really trying to go deep so feel good here
Bench press-135lbs for 5 reps. Should I just go ahead and start here since it was so close or knock it down to 125 or 130 for first cycle??
BOR-85lbs for 6 reps. Could have and did get a bit more weight but felt my form and reps weren't solid so gonna start lower here at the 85lbs
OHP-65lbs for 10 reps. Little struggle so feel good here
SLDL-155lbs for 10 reps. Feel good here no grip issue either and my hammies are really feeling it still two days later
BB curls-55lbs for 10 reps. Struggle here but hit 10 with form so gonna start here
Calf raises-185lbs for 10 reps. Again felt good so feel good starting here
So how does this all look?? Suggestions on the bench press??
Also beginning of the week I weighed 139.4lbs so am I ok to do novice version?Last edited by LittlestGiant; 04-16-2014 at 08:04 PM.
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04-16-2014, 08:10 PM #594
Did this for first time today after doing starting strength for 9 weeks (got bored of it)
Loved the workout, much prefer it to SS. SS did give me good strength gains no hate on the program just gets boring.
squat 150
bench 110
OHP 60
SLDL 90
bent over row 90
barbell curls 40
calf 200 (used leg press machine tip of toes...dont half a calf machine other than that)
I think maybe i started too low for stiff legged? Considering a user above has a 110 squat and a 135 SLDL whereas my squat isat 150? i just guessed a weight and put anything. The 8 reps were still tough mainly because i used a slow ROM to feel it more but i feel i could probaly add more weight to the bar and push myself more. Will probaly add an additional 20 pounds for next weeks heavy day
btw do you have to do 2 warmup sets for every single excercise...its pretty time consuming always changing plates. For squat and bench + OHP i understand you definately need warmups but after that your body should be good to go for the rest no?Last edited by campeao; 04-16-2014 at 08:16 PM.
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04-16-2014, 08:52 PM #595View my progress at http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=154724503
Eventually you learn that the competition is against the little voice inside you that wants you to quit." - George Sheehan
Low aim is the biggest crime a man can commit. -- Bruce Lee
"Why do I lift? I have many things left that I want to do in my life and I cannot think of a single one that I can do from a scooter" - me
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04-17-2014, 03:47 AM #596
Small question ;
What is the difference between novice and beginner ? I know beginner sets are 2x 8-12 and novice 3x 4-8, but how to know If I am novice or beginner ?
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04-17-2014, 04:13 AM #597
Horrible week so far. Felt a bit ill Sunday and woke up really early the next couple of days which made my heavy day on Tuesday weak. Thought today was going to be better but I felt so tired in the afternoon and at the gym I failed Squats, Bench and BOR and had 0 motivation I called it a day. I don't know what's wrong with me the weight isn't even much. :/
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04-17-2014, 05:03 AM #598
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04-17-2014, 05:39 AM #599
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04-17-2014, 09:46 AM #600
cycle 6 week 4 medium day.
Sqt-185-4x7
Bench-205-4x7
BOR-150-4x7
ohp-115-2x11
sldl-185-2x11
curls-80-2x11
calfraises-185-2x11
shrugs-150-2x11Last edited by GP100; 04-17-2014 at 08:40 PM.
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