Malaysian Airlines flight is missing (Part 2) (MH370)

[_AdaM_]

This.


When I read the article and it all said things like "we believe" and "debris could be from the plane" and all this other speculation followed by "yea everyone on board is dead when it crashed into the Indian Ocean"

The Prime Minster did say something along the lines of "we're sharing this purely out of openness".

Definitely pressured to that conclusion

[1quick1]

The Prime Minster did say something along the lines of "we're sharing this purely out of openness".

Definitely pressured to that conclusion

Yea I think it's safe to say they are just trying to say something now to get people off their back because they are 90% sure that's where it is.

[Hammersia]

Malaysian prime minister probably been telling all his people for a couple of weeks to come up with something definite. Now he's had enough so has decided to finish it himself and make up a definitive plane is lost statement. Bit pathetic really.

[ItsWhatIDo]

I see a lot of people posting like they just said that the plane crashed and their was no suspicious activity. I highly doubt they just had the press conference today, sent all the searchers home, and stopped investigating.

Based on the data they have, their is nothing wrong with them saying the plane most likely crashed in the ocean. They probably screwed up and this was handeled poorly. But everyone complained that they were withholding info and dragging this out, so they said what was the most likely scenario.

I was curious how this was going to play out. After two weeks, the chances of finding anything were going to be slim without being able to ping the black box.

Just like child kidnappings. Families may never get closure. That really stinks, and I hope I never have to go through this.

[steeperdolphin]

I hope the plane was hijacked and the people on the plane are ok. That would be an awesome twist in this story.

[Sazzbrah]

Have any of you played the new Tomb Raider? What if something happened to the plane and passengers similar to that?

[Celsus]

Is anything found? How come they are are reporting the people are dead?

[HollywoodBody]

PLS EXPLAIN THIS:

I made a thread about it but didn't get an answer.

In the maps about where the plane might have gone,

Why are there only 2 suspected flight paths (before they knew the confirmed paths) in opposite directions. Just kinda curious.


Satellites picked up the plane but couldn't determine which direction? But they know it took one of those two routes and nothing in between?

[xbodybuilder]

How can two people hijack a plane with 230 passengers on it....did they have weapons possibly? If so how the **** can the airport allow such thing without detecting it?

Plane pilots should be required to carry firearms on the plane from now on. Including security on plane.

But the plane probably just crashed and is somewhere deep in the ocean....seems like the only logical explanation for a plane that can't be found. Might of been hit by a storm that cut off all communication someway. I don't know.

[NoThanksGeoff]

By singling out the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch and the British satellite firm Inmarsat as the source of the information that confirmed the Boeing 777 went down in the Indian Ocean, Malaysia’s Prime Minister may have directed part of that anger towards Britain.


Yeah? Well he can jolly well piss off.

Strong location to post/jimmy rustling ratio

[HurpnDurp]

PLS EXPLAIN THIS:

I made a thread about it but didn't get an answer.

In the maps about where the plane might have gone,

Why are there only 2 suspected flight paths (before they knew the confirmed paths) in opposite directions. Just kinda curious.


Satellites picked up the plane but couldn't determine which direction? But they know it took one of those two routes and nothing in between?

who fukn knows brah, only people with knowledge of how those satelitte pings work and what information they exactly give can tell you

[VANZFINEST]

This whole incident is going to put a blemish on Malaysia for a very very long time.

[andrew28]

How can two people hijack a plane with 230 passengers on it....did they have weapons possibly? If so how the **** can the airport allow such thing without detecting it?

Plane pilots should be required to carry firearms on the plane from now on. Including security on plane.

But the plane probably just crashed and is somewhere deep in the ocean....seems like the only logical explanation for a plane that can't be found. Might of been hit by a storm that cut off all communication someway. I don't know.

i think the cockpit should be sealed off by a 2-3 inch think steel door that NEVER unlocks during the entire flight from start to finish. and they should have a separate bathroom in there too. don't give a fuk how small they have to make the toilet for it to fit.

[HollywoodBody]

i think the cockpit should be sealed off by a 2-3 inch think steel door that never unlocks during the entire flight from start to finish.

but who was pee break or beverages for pilots?

[40ozDrank]

PLS EXPLAIN THIS:

I made a thread about it but didn't get an answer.

In the maps about where the plane might have gone,

Why are there only 2 suspected flight paths (before they knew the confirmed paths) in opposite directions. Just kinda curious.


Satellites picked up the plane but couldn't determine which direction? But they know it took one of those two routes and nothing in between?

I believe the gap is there due to radar presence in the area, confirming the plane had left that sector of the grid

[HollywoodBody]

I believe the gap is there due to radar presence in the area, confirming the plane had left that sector of the grid

didn't mean the gap.

i mean how/why do they suspect it went on the northern our southern route. why couldn't it have gone due west to central Africa etc.

[andrew28]

but who was pee break or beverages for pilots?

i edited my post to add a toilet in there somewhere. they'll find a way to make it work. and they can bring enough bottled water and food in the cockpit before they take off.

[VTheKing]

i think malaysia is under so much fukking pressure from the families, china, etc that they just had to come up with an answer at some point to get everyone off their backs. or to at least start the process of ending this whole thing. but it's only gonna get worse for them.

how the fuk can you tell us they're all dead when you aren't even sure you found the fukking plane?

they were so quick to report that they probably found the remains of the plane like 2-3 days ago and it turned out to be nothing. they're just desperate to cling to any possible conclusion whether they can verify it or not.

if they're willing to bring in witch doctors with fukking coconuts and a magic carpet to figure out where it is, you can bet they're gonna treat any possible lead as the final conclusion to this incident.

malaysia basically just told the families, "yea soo ummm......that plane carrying all your family members has probably crashed by now lol, i mean come on people let's be realistic here."

even if it turns out that they found pieces of the plane like they're saying now, they reported it back to us way too soon before the evidence was gathered.

If the information says the plane probably crashed into the ocean, over a thousand kilometers away from any sort of civilization, then well he's correct in saying everyone's dead. It's not absolutely certain, but extremely likely.

[marcp10]

i think the cockpit should be sealed off by a 2-3 inch think steel door that NEVER unlocks during the entire flight from start to finish. and they should have a separate bathroom in there too. don't give a fuk how small they have to make the toilet for it to fit.

People would just start killing hostages until they open the door.

[Tzaddiq]

didn't mean the gap.

i mean how/why do they suspect it went on the northern our southern route. why couldn't it have gone due west to central Africa etc.

Depending on the signal the satellite got, they might have been given some leads. For example, perhaps they could determine from the signal that it had passed through a cloud, and the cloud cover didn't intersect the arc in the northern corridor.

[40ozDrank]

didn't mean the gap.

i mean how/why do they suspect it went on the northern our southern route. why couldn't it have gone due west to central Africa etc.

Those are not flight paths though. They are arcs that at some point in time the plane passed through. The sat. pinged the plane and the distance of the sat to the planes position was drawn out in circles
why those arcs are relevant is the fact that is they are the 2 known references to the planes position since radar contact was lost

This means that considering fuel range, a straight line could be drawn to each highlighted section of the arc from when the plane dropped contact.

Just scale the farthest point on the arc to the point of last contact with your fingers and you will see it doesn't have the range to even get to ****lia on the coast

[Maxpowers88]

i have a feeling ive missed something, last night this was on like 78 pages

cliff's pls

[TerRyOsuLLivan]

i think malaysia is under so much fukking pressure from the families, china, etc that they just had to come up with an answer at some point to get everyone off their backs. or to at least start the process of ending this whole thing. but it's only gonna get worse for them.

how the fuk can you tell us they're all dead when you aren't even sure you found the fukking plane?

they were so quick to report that they probably found the remains of the plane like 2-3 days ago and it turned out to be nothing. they're just desperate to cling to any possible conclusion whether they can verify it or not.

if they're willing to bring in witch doctors with fukking coconuts and a magic carpet to figure out where it is, you can bet they're gonna treat any possible lead as the final conclusion to this incident.

malaysia basically just told the families, "yea soo ummm......that plane carrying all your family members has probably crashed by now lol, i mean come on people let's be realistic here."

even if it turns out that they found pieces of the plane like they're saying now, they reported it back to us way too soon before the evidence was gathered.

This.


When I read the article and it all said things like "we believe" and "debris could be from the plane" and all this other speculation followed by "yea everyone on board is dead when it crashed into the Indian Ocean"

Malaysian prime minister probably been telling all his people for a couple of weeks to come up with something definite. Now he's had enough so has decided to finish it himself and make up a definitive plane is lost statement. Bit pathetic really.

lol at miscers criticisms.

This is a significant development.

Prior to this, the search officially involved two corridors spanning massive areas throughout Asia and the Indian Ocean. Whilst the total absence of any radar info from the Northern corridor strongly suggested the plane ended up in the southern one, there was still some speculation about the plane flying low to avoid radar and the possibility some countries were not forthcoming with their data due to security reasons, as well as any number of other explanations. As we now know a British firm have now concluded that the last message was indeed sent in the middle of the Indian Ocean, so the PM can finally issue a definite answer, "beyond reasonable doubt" that the plane has crashed and everyone on board is now dead.
They are now able to give a definite answer as to the final location of the plane, and the absolutely unavoidable conclusion that everyone on board is dead, whereas before all they had was a strong suspicion.
Don't see how this is just something he was pressured into saying. It's the sort of statement that has to be made with very strong evidence and not just strong speculation.

[TerRyOsuLLivan]

i have a feeling ive missed something, last night this was on like 78 pages

cliff's pls

Nothing that we didn't already suspect. A British satellite firm has been using some clever analysis of the satellite pings that were sent for some seven hours following the plane's transponder was switched off. They have pinned the final transmission down to a location in the middle of the Indian Ocean several thousand kilometers off Perth. Given the total absence of any land in the vicinity, they can conclude that the plane has crashed in the ocean and therefore everyone on board is dead, and the Malaysian PM has issued a statement to that effect.

Meanwhile, they will continue to search for the wreckage.

[optimus1]

The British scientists used the inmarsat data along with additional interpretations of the data using doppler shifts from the satellite. These doppler interpretations are fallible, and scientists simply used them to put greater odds that the plane went south instead of north. Combined with the lack of radar data up north, the Malaysian authorities believe the probability is very high that the plane went south. This does not entirely eliminate the possibility that the plane went north, nor that it wrecked in the ocean to the south (technically it still could have landed on an island to the south), it's just that the latter is of a much greater probability. There's a reason this analysis of the ping data is "new science", and that is because it is not always reliable. What we definitively know is that: The plane changed directions directly after signing off from Malaysian airspace, and that the plane's engines ran for 6-7 hours past this waypoint. One can still imagine a number of different theories, some with greater probability than others.

[sean_brannen]

didn't mean the gap.

i mean how/why do they suspect it went on the northern our southern route. why couldn't it have gone due west to central Africa etc.

They can tell from the pings the distance, not the direction, the plane was from the satellite so it could be anywhere along that red arc. Had the plane went straight west it would have been closer to the satellite than the pings indicated.

[VANZFINEST]

lol at miscers criticisms.

This is a significant development.

Prior to this, the search officially involved two corridors spanning massive areas throughout Asia and the Indian Ocean. Whilst the total absence of any radar info from the Northern corridor strongly suggested the plane ended up in the southern one, there was still some speculation about the plane flying low to avoid radar and the possibility some countries were not forthcoming with their data due to security reasons, as well as any number of other explanations. As we now know a British firm have now concluded that the last message was indeed sent in the middle of the Indian Ocean, so the PM can finally issue a definite answer, "beyond reasonable doubt" that the plane has crashed and everyone on board is now dead.
They are now able to give a definite answer as to the final location of the plane, and the absolutely unavoidable conclusion that everyone on board is dead, whereas before all they had was a strong suspicion.
Don't see how this is just something he was pressured into saying. It's the sort of statement that has to be made with very strong evidence and not just strong speculation.

They have no right to base their conclusion on evidence that isn't physical IMO. The "beyond reasonable doubt" just doesnt cut it for me. THE PLANE BY-PASSED RADAR FOR 6+ HOURS. So its obvious conventional methods are not and have not been working. Add to the fact they used "brand new never been done before technology blah blah". The events that transpired that night could have also involved "brand new never been done before technology blah blah", its not far fetched. But its probably "in the publics best interest" to just give us this easy to swallow layman explanation, even if it is a lie. Because in the end, it seems like nothing is going to bring those people back. Why release sensitive security information, weapons/radar/military capabilities and what ever else you can think of for no reason. PLUS if it was a Boeing issue, mechanical or human error then shiit would hit the fan in a way we couldnt imagine.

This is one of the best and ideal explanation and outcome for the Governments + Airline. Now they expect everyone to swallow this huge pill after they swept everything under the rug.

[MotoX13]

What's the latest on this ? Will they ever find it?

[pepsiconk]

So much potatoe in the thread.

It isn't the Malaysian government who are saying this, Inmarsat, and they aren't going to come to this type of conclusion lightly.

It seemed unlikely it was never in the North, given that it would be unlikely countries like China, Kazackhstan and Pakistan wouldn't notice an unidentified passenger jet flying into their airspace, to then land or crash somewhere, meant it was probably in the south.

It's sad that they are basically saying everyone is almost certainly dead without having 100% solid proof, which would obviously be remains of the aircraft, but it's the truth of this situation.

To post above: it didn't bypass radar for 6 hours, I haven't read a thing which said there is radar coverage that far out into the Indian Ocean, so I presume there isn't any to bypass.

[optimus1]

So much potatoe in the thread.

It isn't the Malaysian government who are saying this, Inmarsat, and they aren't going to come to this type of conclusion lightly.

It seemed unlikely it was never in the North, given that it would be unlikely countries like China, Kazackhstan and Pakistan wouldn't notice an unidentified passenger jet flying into their airspace, to then land or crash somewhere, meant it was probably in the south.

It's sad that they are basically saying everyone is almost certainly dead without having 100% solid proof, which would obviously be remains of the aircraft, but it's the truth of this situation.

To post above: it didn't bypass radar for 6 hours, I haven't read a thing which said there is radar coverage that far out into the Indian Ocean, so I presume there isn't any to bypass.

The US has a military facility on an island near Perth that I'm sure has solid radar capabilities.

As far as the North not noticing it on the radar - a.) you could have a country like Pakistan being complicit with the hijacking OR b.) you could have a circumstance outlined by Gen. McInerey in which the plane flying with its transponder off fairly close behind another 747 being able to easily slip through radar coverage. The vast likelihood is that the plane crashed to the south, in the ocean, but all the evidence released, including the latest Inmarsat, does not conclusively determine THAT the plane a.) crashed, and b.) did so in the south indian ocean.