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    I'd say people should stick to Reeves and Gironda.

    They're at the proper middle ground of lean vs big and most gym rats tend to overestimate their physiques anyway.

    You won't casually surpass these guys after a few years, trust me.
    People these days have more reps than brain cells
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    Originally Posted by mitchyb View Post
    I know an Australian natural physique/fitness competitor who recently competed in the natural olympia who was on gear about a year prior to that competition, and has run several cycles. You never can tell man. But i do believe that Nathan Wallace is indeed natty.

    But honestly it's very hard to say for sure. Your best bet - as people have said - is to look at the (probably) pre-steroid era; before 1960.
    People were on gear prior to 1960. They were very popular with olympic athletes in the 40s-50s
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    If you don't want to take drugs then I suggest you train without drugs.
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    Originally Posted by MaKaiser View Post
    If you don't want to take drugs then I suggest you train without drugs.
    mind blowing... To think that you just saved a young man's life. Good on you
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    lol at what's been posted so far.

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    Originally Posted by P4ULLY View Post
    hey OP, repsect for your views on gear, and agree all the way. If you look into local natty comps (here in Australia i follow the competitiors in the INBA fed) you can find more reliable role models (but then again, you'll never know what someone has taken). I look up to our national competitors like Denver Steyn, Micheal Waddington, Trevor Hunis, Nathan Wallace and international competitors like Jeff Willet, Skip Lacour and Kiyoshi Moody. All the best mate
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    Originally Posted by l2ambo View Post
    Wasn't Steve Reeves natty?

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    Whether he was or not I find it ironic and unlikely that the best "natural" of all time was a guy from half a century ago.
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    leroy colbert, drugs weren't available when he got to his peak. or only available to russian atheletes for experimentation.
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    ^Wallace has always been one of my favorites, but god damn Kiyoshi Moodi looks insane...
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    Originally Posted by RocketDog85 View Post
    Got much more respect for those that put it the work rather than drugs

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    There's no room for stupid people on this planet.
    Bodybuilding is all about image not numbers, when you're up on stage your lifting stats and bodyfat % means nothing to the judges.
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    Originally Posted by sedrik View Post
    ^Wallace has always been one of my favorites, but god damn Kiyoshi Moodi looks insane...
    Don't forget Marshall Johnson, on the other side, next to Kiyoshi. At 53 years young, he looks amazing!



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    There's no room for stupid people on this planet.
    You'd best find yourself another planet then
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    Originally Posted by RocketDog85 View Post
    You'd best find yourself another planet then
    Sorry but if you think any of these guys are putting in more effort than the Olympia competitors and the Olympia competitors just get where they are from drugs then you're completely stupid and shouldn't be posting in the IFBB section.
    Bodybuilding is all about image not numbers, when you're up on stage your lifting stats and bodyfat % means nothing to the judges.
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    Originally Posted by Wilde View Post
    Sorry but if you think any of these guys are putting in more effort than the Olympia competitors and the Olympia competitors just get where they are from drugs then you're completely stupid and shouldn't be posting in the IFBB section.
    I guess we should give Lance Armstrong his titles back then? I mean he trained hard so it doesn't matter that he doped right?
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    Originally Posted by RocketDog85 View Post
    I guess we should give Lance Armstrong his titles back then? I mean he trained hard so it doesn't matter that he doped right?
    It doesn't matter because all of them are on gear and it's stupid to take someones title solely because of that.
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    Originally Posted by DanielEver View Post
    It doesn't matter because all of them are on gear and it's stupid to take someones title solely because of that.
    Right...every professional athlete is on gear...
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    Originally Posted by RocketDog85 View Post
    Right...every professional athlete is on gear...
    No but every professional bodybuilder is.
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    Originally Posted by MaKaiser View Post
    No but every professional bodybuilder is.
    Clearly not tho are they. Most maybe, but not all
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    Originally Posted by RocketDog85 View Post
    but not all
    Oh jeez.
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    Originally Posted by RocketDog85 View Post
    Clearly not tho are they. Most maybe, but not all
    I've got a wide variety of snake oil, seeing as you might like to buy some.
    People these days have more reps than brain cells
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    Originally Posted by MaKaiser View Post
    No but every professional bodybuilder is.
    I can't honestly think of any sport (except for chess and snowboarding) where athletes wouldn't need to take something. Major disciplines of athletics have so much gear that it puts bodybuilders to shame.
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    Originally Posted by Groggery View Post
    I've got a wide variety of snake oil, seeing as you might like to buy some.
    Great input bud. Well done
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    Originally Posted by RocketDog85 View Post
    Clearly not tho are they. Most maybe, but not all
    I'm talking about real pro bodybuilding.

    A 16 year old bikini girl is not an IFBB Pro.

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    Just wondering, but is it possible to actually post a serious question - you know, in order to learn - without getting sarcastic or abusive responses?
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    Originally Posted by RocketDog85 View Post
    Just wondering, but is it possible to actually post a serious question - you know, in order to learn - without getting sarcastic or abusive responses?
    No IFBB pros are natural.

    This is not sarcastic or abusive.

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    Just wondering, but is it possible to actually post a serious question - you know, in order to learn - without getting sarcastic or abusive responses?
    Your question is akin to someone asking if a triple fried cheeseburger with extra salt and chips is good for one's health. If you don't have the innate sense to guess, you're going to get the treatment.
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