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    Originally Posted by DarkOmen View Post
    Good post.

    I remember when I was 175lbs, I had zero trouble maintaining a 7-8% bf body.

    There's no scientific evidence of this but I think that when you are over 200 lbs with a great muscle mass it's almost impossible to be 8% natty. Now at 215lbs/11% I look and feel great, but 200lbs/8% (my ultimate goal) will be almost impossible to reach, giving it one last try natty this year.

    I will be soon able to claim that I've sent my body to it's natty limits.
    Back before GH15 went full potato

    5'11 205 ~ 5'10 198 (~7lb/inch for male) = NOT possible 100% completely natural with no supp while remaining at 8% no clothes on. (in the morning after 8 hour sleep no food in system with one single glass of water drank before weighin,, no clothes/shoes/pump which =3-8lb)

    thus you were 5'11 ~198~7% which is parallel and will look very much alike as 5'10~190~8% = POSSIBLE COMPLETELY NATURALLY as i said before if ones have extra ordinary response to training which i assume you have if you were at those numbers at this body fat. 5'11 198lb 7% bf is SUPERB physiqe and only minority of trainees will be able to achieve it naturally.
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    Originally Posted by DarkOmen View Post
    Struggles of the natties.

    Meanwhile my friend (on gear) is as big as me, but is 7% bf.
    it is what it is fella, choices that we all have to live with
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    @Nvious- Dem pics oh lawd

    Originally Posted by solidsnake88 View Post
    can someone explain to me what's wrong with the generic bro split? I see it get a lot of hate around here and other places.
    Personally like hitting muscles twice and week mixing Power with BB style. Nothing wrong with a bro split if you like it.

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    Guys, what do you think: can I get from 18% to abs (10%?) in 5 months?

    After that I will re-focus on strength gains obviously, I just want to get to the lean base with visible abs and stay lean while putting on mass slowly.
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    Originally Posted by Christos View Post
    the source is my experience, bear in mind i am an old fart of 35...it might be different for all you young bloods :-)
    im 29. stayed pretty low for about 3 months last year
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    cut from 235-170 going from high school to freshman in college, lean bulked to roughly 180 during this past summer, and for the past 4-5 months I haven't been bulking or cutting; just eating around maintenance and working out, gaining muscle and strength while losing body fat and becoming all around leaner. Been getting pretty solid results, and it's still pretty similar to cutting since I'm losing fat, but the diet part is easier (I love eating)
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    Originally Posted by Dexter3000 View Post
    Guys, what do you think: can I get from 18% to abs (10%?) in 5 months?

    After that I will re-focus on strength gains obviously, I just want to get to the lean base with visible abs and stay lean while putting on mass slowly.
    Very doable, go HAM brah.
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    Originally Posted by Dexter3000 View Post
    Guys, what do you think: can I get from 18% to abs (10%?) in 5 months?

    After that I will re-focus on strength gains obviously, I just want to get to the lean base with visible abs and stay lean while putting on mass slowly.
    you can do it in your easily, take it easy in the first month as you do not want to go all out from the beginning as you might burn out. the more you lose before you start hitting cardio hard the better.
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    Originally Posted by fishnbrah View Post
    im 29. stayed pretty low for about 3 months last year
    nice one sir...how low is low? sub 7%?
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    Originally Posted by Christos View Post
    nice one sir...how low is low? sub 7%?
    idk. probably 7 or 8
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    Originally Posted by fishnbrah View Post
    idk. probably 7 or 8
    in my books you are one of the lucky few that can do it naturally and have no libido or lifts or other effects.
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    Originally Posted by Christos View Post
    in my books you are one of the lucky few that can do it naturally and have no libido or lifts or other effects.
    maybe i did, i never have libido. i also dont care about those things. being shredded is more important than me being horny.
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    another interesting question for yall

    Coming from high volume workouts like PPL - will your body adapt to that amount of volume and you'll always need a high volume routine, or is it possible to still grow and make gains after you switch it up and go to a lower volume workout routine
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    Originally Posted by solidsnake88 View Post
    another interesting question for yall

    Coming from high volume workouts like PPL - will your body adapt to that amount of volume and you'll always need a high volume routine, or is it possible to still grow and make gains after you switch it up and go to a lower volume workout routine
    doesnt matter as long as you always progressive overload
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    Originally Posted by solidsnake88 View Post
    another interesting question for yall

    Coming from high volume workouts like PPL - will your body adapt to that amount of volume and you'll always need a high volume routine, or is it possible to still grow and make gains after you switch it up and go to a lower volume workout routine
    I've always stuck to high volume an thought the same thing but I got better results when I lowered the volume, which is probably still considered high but low for what I was use to. More energy for different lifts and stuff.
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    Originally Posted by NVious View Post
    Very doable, go HAM brah.
    Thanks man. But eh, HAM?

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    you can do it in your easily, take it easy in the first month as you do not want to go all out from the beginning as you might burn out. the more you lose before you start hitting cardio hard the better.
    Thanks, and fair point. The thing is, I do IF and cycle my calories. This worked very well for me as it is easier to have a consistent caloric deficit with basically have 3 refeeds every week on training days compared to low calories every day IMO. On rest days I go pretty low but due to the higher days it doesn't feel like cutting that much at all. I believe also it can be done without any cardio at all - I have seen plenty of examples. Diet first
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    Originally Posted by NVious View Post
    Stupidest challenge ever.

    They should re name it to the "Get as bloated as possible, take an unpumped picture in **** lighting and then cut down for 4 weeks challenge"

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    lol thats the plan.. free protiens sounds good, if not then abit of a motivation to shred up fast
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    almost a week into this. finally hunger is becoming non existant. once my hunger is gone cutting is a piece of cake. staying busy is key as well.
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    In for this, will be my first cut, currently 172 @16%BF~ish (Avi is old, was lighter there), only aiming for 10% then want to try and slowly add some more weight back on coming up to summer

    Been easy so far haven't felt hungry at all really, even picked up a pizza for my bro yesterday and resisted getting one lol

    Going to get some ACV today, seems to be a lot of benefits besides for cutting
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    Originally Posted by Niall26 View Post
    In for this, will be my first cut, currently 172 @16%BF~ish (Avi is old, was lighter there), only aiming for 10% then want to try and slowly add some more weight back on coming up to summer

    Been easy so far haven't felt hungry at all really, even picked up a pizza for my bro yesterday and resisted getting one lol

    Going to get some ACV today, seems to be a lot of benefits besides for cutting
    Make sure to drink it through a straw so it doesn't corrode your teeth
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    Originally Posted by Niall26 View Post
    In for this, will be my first cut, currently 172 @16%BF~ish (Avi is old, was lighter there), only aiming for 10% then want to try and slowly add some more weight back on coming up to summer

    Been easy so far haven't felt hungry at all really, even picked up a pizza for my bro yesterday and resisted getting one lol

    Going to get some ACV today, seems to be a lot of benefits besides for cutting
    what does ACV do?
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    what does ACV do?
    It did nothing for me but I think it got a mean buzz on the misc from this thread

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=137986693
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    workout today.
    standing bb ohp: 5x10
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    clean & press: 5x12
    lunge: 5x10
    squat throw: 5x20
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    Cliffs:
    They don't exist


    Cliffs:
    7-15% is the range
    There are ways you can get around it such as dieting to a point where you're not suffering (but still pretty lean), then reverse diet slowly while dropping cardio slowly watching your body composition/weight until you feel normal hormonally/mentally
    It can be changed over time, but it is difficult so if you are going to be shooting for below it, you have to realize that the gains you'll be making will be slower


    High carb days that are close to your offseason intake of carbs, maybe even slightly over
    Make slow increases while refeeding, make sure to watch your weight...take a 7 day running average of your weight .5lb per week is too fast, unless it's at the beginning of the reverse diet

















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    Guys, just wanted to share some texts that I really like and perhaps it can be of any help or inspiration to you too.

    Never bemoan the discipline that must accompany serious training. Never bemoan the discipline that must be applied to your diet and other components of recovery. To have the opportunity to apply all this discipline is a blessing. Appreciate it, and savor every moment of implementing that discipline. You will not be able to train forever. Eventually you will not be able to apply dedication and determination to anything, let alone your training, diet and recovery. So be sure you make the absolute most of the present!

    This is from Beyond Braw by Stuart McRobert, a book that I definitely recommend by the way.

    The point is clear, getting fit/shredded is not always easy but try to see this journey as gift, be happy you can do it instead of complaining. Be happy you CAN train hard, be happy you are in a position to sculpt your body - many, many people on this planet are simply trying to survive every day they wake up.

    Be happy and get shredded
    Iron, sometimes it sets my teeth on edge, other times it helps me control the chaos.

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    /\ Great post, never understood how somebody doing something they supposedly "loved" could whine about the process if they want the result.















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    I like this thread more than the other cutters one

    more motivational, less drama

    in to get shredded as **** by March

    I can see top 4 abs flexed, think I'm around 13%

    losing 8 lbs will get me pretty lean imo
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