How do they pass drug test on natural bodybuilding competitions?!

[markocekic]

Ok, so I am natural bodybuilder who compete from time to time only on natural competitions. As you know every single time there are couple guys that you know for sure they are not natural, and one of them always win overall and gets the pro card.

My question is how do they pass the drug test when everybody including judges know they are not natural???

They check urine for doping test.

I read there are a lot of herb based products that help you clean your system so you can pass drug test. Do they really work or they do something else that most of the people dont know? Even they pass the polygraph tested natural competitions. Thats one more question. How do they cheat the polygraph?

[Giant_Killer]

You pass the drug test by not taking drugs.

[TakedaShingen]

You pass the drug test by not taking drugs.

Came to post this.

[bigfish18q]

It would take a lot for me to just assume someone is running something.

[KCTonyG]

Ok, so I am natural bodybuilder who compete from time to time only on natural competitions. As you know every single time there are couple guys that you know for sure they are not natural, and one of them always win overall and gets the pro card.

My question is how do they pass the drug test when everybody including judges know they are not natural???

They check urine for doping test.

I read there are a lot of herb based products that help you clean your system so you can pass drug test. Do they really work or they do something else that most of the people dont know? Even they pass the polygraph tested natural competitions. Thats one more question. How do they cheat the polygraph?

I can tell you for a fact that the polygraph they use for a bodybuilding competition is nothing at all like the polygraphs I have taken for law enforcement security clearance within the federal government. The polys I have taken were extremely detailed and lasted between 3 and 6 hours. I can't imagine that a bodybuilding show has a poly anywhere near as detailed.

As for passing the drug tests, you and I both know that the drug tests can only test if you have the presence of drugs in your system at the time of the test, they can not detect if you have ever used the drugs at any point in your life.

btw, my suggestion is to not worry about whether someone else is using or not using, and instead focus on making yourself the best possible.

[chickeneater]

You pass the drug test by not taking drugs.

for how long?

[red_cat]

Ok, so I am natural bodybuilder who compete from time to time only on natural competitions. As you know every single time there are couple guys that you know for sure they are not natural, and one of them always win overall and gets the pro card.

Who are you to say they're using banned substances if they pass the testing methods set forth by the organization you're competing in?

Great first post, by the way.

[WhiteM95]

Talking To true mass monsters at my gym AND online, Some of these guys are 215 contest condition in a natural show at less than 6ft.
They have been competing natural competition for 5+ years most of them and never been tested (australia). all these guys admit to juice

[fltallpaul]

Talking To true mass monsters at my gym AND online, Some of these guys are 215 contest condition in a natural show at less than 6ft.
They have been competing natural competition for 5+ years most of them and never been tested (australia). all these guys admit to juice

I competed as a Pro in 2012 at 3 shows. No one in contest condition was even close to 200 and the winners were all well over 30 years old and under 180lbs. Perhaps instead a talking about what you heard you should attend a few shows and judge for yourself. Most people who don't compete have this huge misconception that the guys are huge and weigh much more than they do. That is the illusion of true conditioning, you look much heavier than you are.

I was the heaviest competitor at every show I did at 200lbs and I am 6'3.

[JulianBee]

btw, my suggestion is to not worry about whether someone else is using or not using, and instead focus on making yourself the best possible.

This.

[Giant_Killer]

for how long?

For a long as you compete in a natural bodybuilding federation.

[swoonfitness]

I would think they dont take drugs, f it were the case that they were masking it, ..should this not motivate you more to do more for yourself in a natural way?

Great first post, by the way.

yes, i thought this too.

[elterrible987]

How often do they drug test, is it just AT the competition or do they test them months out?

They can run a cycle during their preparations and not be on it anymore during the event. They are going through this issue in pro boxing. Since the top pros only fight maybe twice a year, the standard testing done at the fight is basically worthless because they can run a cycle during their training and be clean by fight night.

[Cape1]

Ok, so I am natural bodybuilder who compete from time to time only on natural competitions. As you know every single time there are couple guys that you know for sure they are not natural, and one of them always win overall and gets the pro card.

My question is how do they pass the drug test when everybody including judges know they are not natural???

They check urine for doping test.

I read there are a lot of herb based products that help you clean your system so you can pass drug test. Do they really work or they do something else that most of the people dont know? Even they pass the polygraph tested natural competitions. Thats one more question. How do they cheat the polygraph?

This post shows a total lack of AAS knowledge. Second, hmmmm, "Joe came in a little bigger and harder than me, therefore, he must be on something".... Nice! Within reason, you cannot tell someone is on something simply by looking at them!

BTW, the guys winning pro cards at Natural shows are sometimes in better shape than guys competing in non tested shows.. they are just not quite a big.

[Cara0915]

I can tell you for a fact that the polygraph they use for a bodybuilding competition is nothing at all like the polygraphs I have taken for law enforcement security clearance within the federal government. The polys I have taken were extremely detailed and lasted between 3 and 6 hours. I can't imagine that a bodybuilding show has a poly anywhere near as detailed.

As for passing the drug tests, you and I both know that the drug tests can only test if you have the presence of drugs in your system at the time of the test, they can not detect if you have ever used the drugs at any point in your life.

btw, my suggestion is to not worry about whether someone else is using or not using, and instead focus on making yourself the best possible.

I agree.
There are multiple ways to pass a polygraph and there are also "supps" that are in and out of your system very quickly, perhaps they used those. Or maybe they've been working out for years to build the physique that gets them placed #1. 😉
Who knows... Most people wont ever admit to anything anyways.

I always thought that if someone wanted to use "supps" why would they feel the need to compete in a tested event? There are many non tested ones out there

[Wilde]

Just because they say they drug test doesn't mean they are actually doing it, it costs too much and they know certain drugs are out of the system in as little as 2-3 days. It's much easier to get a few guys dressed up in suits and say "come with me and piss in this cup" and then throw it in the bin after the show, don't think it doesn't happen.

We all know who is and who isn't, secrets aren't usually kept well when people supply each other and when there's guys 21 years old claiming to be natural competing at the size of the pro's in the 70's we all know they are lying. It's a never winning battle and always will be, many guys have ego problems and would rather win cheating than just come in the best shape they can for them self.

[PhilAUS]

certain "supps" can be out of your system overnight homie

[markocekic]

Ok, the guy above says you cant tell they are using aas just looking at them. Well you can, you certainly can. Being natural and being on a strict diet for months lowers your natural testosterone and overall hormones in your body, which means you can never ever have that muscle density and tightness if you are not juicing. When you are on AAS level of androgens in your body is high which makes your skin paper thin and tight including vascularity and thats a hugeee difference between being natural and on something and its obvious just by looking at the guy.

Little update: So I spoke to the friend of mine who is now IFBB professional and asked him the same question. He says, its easy to pass urine test. They are using long ester AAS in the beginning of the cycle and then 6-8 weeks before the show they switch to fast acting ones. 5-6 days before the show they stop using everything and if they get tested they pass the test without problems.
He was confused when I told him about polygraph test in USA. He said are you kidding me? So he doesnt know how to pass that one and I am wondering the same.

[chickeneater]

Ok, the guy above says you cant tell they are using aas just looking at them. Well you can, you certainly can. Being natural and being on a strict diet for months lowers your natural testosterone and overall hormones in your body, which means you can never ever have that muscle density and tightness if you are not juicing. When you are on AAS level of androgens in your body is high which makes your skin paper thin and tight including vascularity and thats a hugeee difference between being natural and on something and its obvious just by looking at the guy.

Little update: So I spoke to the friend of mine who is now IFBB professional and asked him the same question. He says, its easy to pass urine test. They are using long ester AAS in the beginning of the cycle and then 6-8 weeks before the show they switch to fast acting ones. 5-6 days before the show they stop using everything and if they get tested they pass the test without problems.
He was confused when I told him about polygraph test in USA. He said are you kidding me? So he doesnt know how to pass that one and I am wondering the same.

I recall reading the blog of "the naturalone" here, and he talked about how mad he was that he tested positive for some type of sleep drug and was questioned for it.

He asked why the big deal, and they said its taken by aas users in order to calm their heart rate for the polygraph. He claims he took it strictly to get sleep.

I've always wondered if the naturalone is truly natural, and based on this blog I felt he was trying to act mad and get his version of the story out before everyone starts questioning his authenticity.

[soleution]

Ok, the guy above says you cant tell they are using aas just looking at them. Well you can, you certainly can. Being natural and being on a strict diet for months lowers your natural testosterone and overall hormones in your body, which means you can never ever have that muscle density and tightness if you are not juicing. When you are on AAS level of androgens in your body is high which makes your skin paper thin and tight including vascularity and thats a hugeee difference between being natural and on something and its obvious just by looking at the guy.

Little update: So I spoke to the friend of mine who is now IFBB professional and asked him the same question. He says, its easy to pass urine test. They are using long ester AAS in the beginning of the cycle and then 6-8 weeks before the show they switch to fast acting ones. 5-6 days before the show they stop using everything and if they get tested they pass the test without problems.
He was confused when I told him about polygraph test in USA. He said are you kidding me? So he doesnt know how to pass that one and I am wondering the same.

I think unless you witness someone injecting its pretty hard to say if they are on ****. Also unless you are running stuff into a show i doubt you would see a difference in "tightness" or "density" lol. Its a matter of being lean enough in conjunction with being carbed up to the perfect point. Have you seen how hard and dense some of these top natural pros look. Are you say every natural pro is on stuff?

[orb85750]

The 'fake natty' topic will never go away. It only seems to be growing with all the recent YouTube accusations, etc. I enjoyed this over-the-top vid by Luimarco concerning Mike O'Hearn (past Natural Universe):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHigHbbNWOE

[NattyCory]

I'm 24 weeks out of my first competition. It's a tested Natural league so I'm going to 215 then cutting down to 190 for the show my trainer has me doing.
I know a few guys that tell me they get off the stuff 12-16 weeks out before the competition and take a bunch of herbs or something so clean their systems out.
It pisses me off knowing that these guys brag how they can compete in a league that's tested and not test positive.

[Devils]

I think unless you witness someone injecting its pretty hard to say if they are on ****. Also unless you are running stuff into a show i doubt you would see a difference in "tightness" or "density" lol. Its a matter of being lean enough in conjunction with being carbed up to the perfect point. Have you seen how hard and dense some of these top natural pros look. Are you say every natural pro is on stuff?

we need to go deeper.

[TJP33]

I like to give the benefit of the doubt and think most of the physiques I see are natty, not cause I care what others are doing, but too avoid creating a shorter ceiling for myself.. I guess its how you look at the sport, I can see those who are extremely competitive showing more concern, but for me its only about self improvement. There are so many factors out there out of your control between judging, politics (hearing from those competing at pro levels), others competitors, and genetic difference- really all you can do is worry about you or end up being bitter about the sport.

[demonwareltd]

I like to give the benefit of the doubt and think most of the physiques I see are natty, not cause I care what others are doing, but too avoid creating a shorter ceiling for myself.. I guess its how you look at the sport, I can see those who are extremely competitive showing more concern, but for me its only about self improvement. There are so many factors out there out of your control between judging, politics (hearing from those competing at pro levels), others competitors, and genetic difference- really all you can do is worry about you or end up being bitter about the sport.

This is a good point. 99.9% of people who compete naturally will never make any money in the sport regardless if they win or not. So why be so worried about placings. If this is your sole motivation then yeah, the accusations of people using is rally going to eat at you. If you are in the sport for self improvement and overall health, then focus on you and making improvements year after year.

[Cape1]

Ok, the guy above says you cant tell they are using aas just looking at them. Well you can, you certainly can. Being natural and being on a strict diet for months lowers your natural testosterone and overall hormones in your body, which means you can never ever have that muscle density and tightness if you are not juicing. When you are on AAS level of androgens in your body is high which makes your skin paper thin and tight including vascularity and thats a hugeee difference between being natural and on something and its obvious just by looking at the guy.

Little update: So I spoke to the friend of mine who is now IFBB professional and asked him the same question. He says, its easy to pass urine test. They are using long ester AAS in the beginning of the cycle and then 6-8 weeks before the show they switch to fast acting ones. 5-6 days before the show they stop using everything and if they get tested they pass the test without problems.
He was confused when I told him about polygraph test in USA. He said are you kidding me? So he doesnt know how to pass that one and I am wondering the same.

No offense but you're not making any sense. "Harness", "Thin Skin", Vascularity etc. are products of your conditioning and all can be acheived without drugs. Super high T levels are just as likely to detract from those attributes than benefit them, at least without other medications involved.

Your T level can drop with a diet but most healthy men are not going to go from mid/high T levels to being hypo by virtue of their diet unless the person designing the diet is an idiot.

When we are talking about stage-ready competitors in most of the Natural Federations, I do not feel that I can just look at them and tell who ran cycles and who didn't; and, unfortunately, I have some experience with this topic. If you can tell just by looking at someone, hats off to you man! As for switching to a shorter ester? That is pretty much the way it's done but mileage varries, essecially when using underground products.

Either way, who cares! For 99% of the competitors in this sport, it will never be a livelyhood. Most people on this site are never going to win an IFBB pro card or even qualify for NPC Nationals for that matter. I say make it a healhy life style and do it because you enjoy it. If you want to take a little 'splash in the lake' here and there, go for it; if not, dont. Don't worry about the guys that do. In most people, it just does not make that big of a difference. A difference? Yes. A huge difference? Not that I've ever observed. Not unless we are talking big, legit cycles that include much more than AAS alone. AAS alone, in my observations, seems to have some limits. I know a couple of natural guys who im as confident as I can be are actually natural that look better than most of the guys ive known running cycles.

Just my two cents.

[Dhboy]

I competed as a Pro in 2012 at 3 shows. No one in contest condition was even close to 200 and the winners were all well over 30 years old and under 180lbs. Perhaps instead a talking about what you heard you should attend a few shows and judge for yourself. Most people who don't compete have this huge misconception that the guys are huge and weigh much more than they do. That is the illusion of true conditioning, you look much heavier than you are.

I was the heaviest competitor at every show I did at 200lbs and I am 6'3.

Let me guess, you are 100% natty....

[markocekic]

Everybody's natural these days, including Phil Heath.