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    Originally Posted by TalkinDaHardest View Post
    anything wrong with the Fincar brand of fin? very cheap for 5mg tabs etc - http://www.inhousepharmacy.biz/p-178...incar-5mg.aspx

    do u think splitting a 5mg tablet into 10 parts is a big problem lol? would like 0.5mg ED, surely a slight difference in daily dosages isn't a problem? thanks mate repped.
    A large number of posters on this board and others use fincar, if proscar is a little expensive, then this should still be fine.

    I'm personally doing 0.5 mg ED, that should not be a problem, since 0.5 mg is almost 95% as effective as 1 mg.

    Originally Posted by CartelFather View Post
    OP what are your thoughts on Topical Spiro?

    Specifically as an alternative to finasteride.
    It's a good topical to have, but does not substitute for finasteride, nor does it work by the same mechanism.

    Spiro stops androgen receptors (ARs) from getting binded by DHT molecules, it does that by filling the ARs with it's own active ingredient, and thus leaving no room for DHT to start working.

    Finasteride stops DHT production at it's source, by inhibiting 5-AR II enzymes on the dermal papilla, and thus preventing their reduction of testosterone to DHT.

    Spiro can theoretically be effective when combined by other topicals as well, but do not expect optimal results with regards to fighting AGA.

    That should still be a decent alternative if applied consistently on hair that is not balding aggressively.
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    thanks for the reply. would u wait till atleast nw2 to start a dht inhibitor? i'm still pretty much nw1 but my right temple has receded by roughly 2cm, left just thinning abit. (i'm on AAS if this makes a difference, blasting and cruising).
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    Originally Posted by arkansawboy View Post
    and in that giant wall of text you forgot the most important part...

    in reality unless you are rich as fuk and can afford hair transplants, this stuff hardly works. just GET THE FUK OVER IT AND REALIZE A FULL HEAD OF HAIR IS NOT IN THE CARDS FOR YOU

    bald brah here, and srs, the sooner you come to terms, the better.

    you will more than likely always look like the dude trying to cover up his bald spot or receeding hairline, so just. get. over .it.

    not what you wana hear bc all of you are in denial, but its what you need to hear.

    EDIT: and what ^^ that dude said.
    how much does a good hair transplant cost? assuming you just have recession at the temples, and maybe 1 cm at the front of your hairline?

    I could afford $10-15k in a couple years.
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    Awesome thread.

    I plan to stay on finateride forever for sure. Feels fine.

    Not sure how I should feel about my hair. But as I said in the other thread I'll post 6 months progress in May after finals to show everyone what happens I guess
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    Originally Posted by TalkinDaHardest View Post
    thanks for the reply. would u wait till atleast nw2 to start a dht inhibitor? i'm still pretty much nw1 but my right temple has receded by roughly 2cm, left just thinning abit. (i'm on AAS if this makes a difference, blasting and cruising).
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    great work OP, being a norton 6 its game over for me, but your delivery and attention to detail is excellent
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    just ordered a 200ml bottle of %2 Nizoral (Ketoconazole) shampoo, stacking that with S5 cream on the hair, Ted aint scared of no super high DHT levels
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    Originally Posted by TalkinDaHardest View Post
    pls repond
    Will get back to this in a few when I go home.
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    scalp micropigmentation looks really good actually!
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    if youre balding you need to really just get over it. be honest the only reason you care about hair is because of women

    but what you dont realize is is that getting women is 90% inner game. there are fat and bald over weight phucks all over world getting laid because they dont give a phuck

    and if you have a ripped body and take care of yourself it actually looks good. there is no permanent cure as of now unless u wanna do the hair transplant if you got the money thats great but for most of us we dont have the money
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    Originally Posted by nn586 View Post
    if youre balding you need to really just get over it. be honest the only reason you care about hair is because of women

    but what you dont realize is is that getting women is 90% inner game. there are fat and bald over weight phucks all over world getting laid because they dont give a phuck

    and if you have a ripped body and take care of yourself it actually looks good. there is no permanent cure as of now unless u wanna do the hair transplant if you got the money thats great but for most of us we dont have the money
    are you bald?? If you arent then you dont know what you are talking about.. Yabber on about inner flames and winds of confidence but in reality, being bald means your choice of women has shrunk, whether that fits your world view or not
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    Originally Posted by rotatoo View Post
    are you bald?? If you arent then you dont know what you are talking about.. Yabber on about inner flames and winds of confidence but in reality, being bald means your choice of women has shrunk, whether that fits your world view or not
    im 23 and bald as fuk bro. at first it was devastating no doubt but you just need to get over that chit.
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    Originally Posted by rotatoo View Post
    scalp micropigmentation looks really good actually!
    Nah, looks like garbage. I saw a guy with it at the gym once. You can easily tell something isn't right. I was able to immediately tell he had the scalp pigmentation done because I was familiar with it. It just looks like a tattoo on your head.
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    Originally Posted by Impudent View Post
    how much does a good hair transplant cost? assuming you just have recession at the temples, and maybe 1 cm at the front of your hairline?

    I could afford $10-15k in a couple years.
    I've had 2 hair transplants. $10-15k should cover it no problem. About $14-$15k is the average cost of a HT anyway.
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    Originally Posted by LurkoLantern View Post
    I've had 2 hair transplants. $10-15k should cover it no problem. About $14-$15k is the average cost of a HT anyway.
    2, why?
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    Originally Posted by Jagd24 View Post
    2, why?
    Hair transplants don't solve the underlying problem. You continue to lose hair after a transplant.
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    Does the Dr. normally do any tests to determine if its actually MPB or do you just say Im balding and he is like ok here is fin prescription? I went to my Dr. for a routine checkup but also told him I was thinning. He was like you can go on fin or get transplant, but the problem with transplant is it doesnt stop thinning so you might need 2-3 costing over 30k. Then he just forgot about it and went back to my check up without giving me prescription.

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    Originally Posted by TalkinDaHardest View Post
    thanks for the reply. would u wait till atleast nw2 to start a dht inhibitor? i'm still pretty much nw1 but my right temple has receded by roughly 2cm, left just thinning abit. (i'm on AAS if this makes a difference, blasting and cruising).
    Since you are on AAS, then your case differs slightly.

    First of all, finasteride will only work effectively against testosterone derived AAS, any other non-testosterone derived AAS with high androgenic values will not pass through the 5-AR enzyme reduction process. Since they are already in their active androgenic form.

    Instead, a better solution with non-testosterone AAS is to use topical anti-androgens. S5 creams, RU58841 and ketoconazole should antagonize a decent amount of androgen receptors on the scalp and dermal papilla. It should greatly reduce follicular androgen damage, another tip would be using short cycles instead of longer ones. You are not doing your hair a favor by using them, but you could still minimize damage using the latter. It still all comes down to your genetics, and how vulnerable your hair is to AGA. Some people use all kinds of stuff and not lose a single hair.
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    What are your opinion on products like Regenpure, lipogaine, etc.

    Products like these
    http://www.amazon.com/Lipogaine-Men-...izoral+shampoo

    Are they as effective(if more) than shampoos like Nizoral? Are they alternatives?
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    Originally Posted by BrunoTheBandit View Post
    Propecia help not even once.
    Even if it only happens to a small amount of guys, we still need to find out why it happens. If propecia only lowers DHT, then why do some people have
    vision loss and brain fog. Are the studies about propecia inhibiting neurosteroids true ? The drug seems to do more than we think.

    Even though it was designed to do one thing, it could be doing another thing at the same time like inhibiting neurosteroids.

    Yes most drugs have side effects and the people who get them are a small bunch, but for most drugs the causes of side effects are understood.

    With propecia, no one really knows why people get brain fog or other strange symptoms, because all the drug is doing is lowering DHT.. right ?

    What does DHT have to do with vision ? Like I said, I think the drug does more than we know.
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    Originally Posted by DaHurst View Post
    Redstar

    What are your opinion on products like Regenpure, lipogaine, etc.

    Products like these
    http://www.amazon.com/Lipogaine-Men-...izoral+shampoo

    Are they as effective(if more) than shampoos like Nizoral? Are they alternatives?
    Check the ingredients.

    Lipogaine is a blend solution containing 5% minoxidil. Although some people prefer rogaine foam since it's less messy. The other ingredients are marginal bonuses at best.

    You cannot substitute Nizoral with an OTC shampoo containing ketoconazole, Nizoral is prescription grade because it comes in 2% concentrations, the others sold OTC are the weaker 1% version.

    As long as you are getting the ones listed in the OP, then it should fine. Brands should not really make a difference in this case.
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    are you bald?? If you arent then you dont know what you are talking about.. Yabber on about inner flames and winds of confidence but in reality, being bald means your choice of women has shrunk, whether that fits your world view or not

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    I have a terminal hair down where my juvenile hairline is

    literally 1 hair. No vellus anywhere near it

    is this a good sign for me? NW2, on .5mg finasteride ed
    just noticed this!
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    Originally Posted by FR0ZENF15H View Post
    Even if it only happens to a small amount of guys, we still need to find out why it happens. If propecia only lowers DHT, then why do some people have
    vision loss and brain fog. Are the studies about propecia inhibiting neurosteroids true ? The drug seems to do more than we think.

    Even though it was designed to do one thing, it could be doing another thing at the same time like inhibiting neurosteroids.

    Yes most drugs have side effects and the people who get them are a small bunch, but for most drugs the causes of side effects are understood.

    With propecia, no one really knows why people get brain fog or other strange symptoms, because all the drug is doing is lowering DHT.. right ?

    What does DHT have to do with vision ? Like I said, I think the drug does more than we know.
    Finasteride does not only lower DHT, it inhibits 5-AR II enzymes. It does have an effect on brain chemicals.



    I've already covered this question in the FAQ, look for it.

    Again, whether the rate of change or the final level of neurosteroids would induce anxiety, depression or lack of focus is highly variable. It is impossible for me, or any physician to tell you otherwise. Literally the best way to find out is to try, and stay on it long enough to check if any side effects are persistent or nocebo, usually a few months. Note that people reporting this type of side effects have a reported history with mental dysfunction. Just like the case for sexual dysfunction with finasteride, it will not cause you problems that did not exist in the first place, but it may exacerbate underlying or existing ones, even then, they are extremely rare, and statistically insignificant to take into consideration.

    You could always come off if you feel uncomfortable, you literally have nothing to lose.
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    Originally Posted by C4IMO View Post
    I have a terminal hair down where my juvenile hairline is

    literally 1 hair. No vellus anywhere near it

    is this a good sign for me? NW2, on .5mg finasteride ed
    just noticed this!
    interdasting. makes you wonder if hair would fill in around it or not
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    Originally Posted by Wallabym8 View Post
    interdasting. makes you wonder if hair would fill in around it or not
    Exactly brah!

    IDK. I'm not using minox so I don't know if I would get significant regrowth. But if there's a consensus this may be a good sign I would buy some for sure.
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    Why is this guy not over 10k+ reps. This is probably the most informative thread I've read on the misc. Good work OP. You gave me a lot of great information in the other hair loss thread.

    If you read this thread, rep the man for putting together some quality information.
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    been on Nizoral + generic rogaine liquid for almost a year now. Bald spot in back is completely gone, and my temples have filled out marginally. However, had I not jumped on I'd be willing to bet my temples would have receded dramatically and my bald spot would have increased. Do it brahs!

    went on official Rogaine foam over the summer and noticed extreme shedding, stay safe brahs when going foam.
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    freaking in on this. will read twice/10

    repped OP
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