The Ultimate Hair Loss Survival Guide For Men (FAQ)

[wickedman]

Was gonna get on fin but then I read chit like this
forum(DOT)bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145148191

How do you do it brahs?

Meh, if I see someone ITT with a real account that posts sides it's an eye raiser. For the most part it's minor stuff for most of us - a guy named "Asexualzombie" clearly came to this forum just to push his agenda, and at that point I don't really take what he has to say seriously.

Never seen a reliable permanent side effects story. And way I look at it, if I lost my hair I'd be banging 3/10s anyway.

[jesseb22]

Been on fin 2 months now and currently dosing at ~1.25 mg per day with no noticeable sides. I do sincerely feel sorry for anyone who experiences sides, although I believe some of it can be mental.

[t_raven]

The stuff I've read about side effects all showed similar numbers in the placebo group anyway.

You have to keep in mind that guys like us are a lot different than the average US male. I'm sure the typical cross section of men that have been in these test groups included plenty of borderline obese guys with less than ideal sexual function in the first place.

It would be interesting to see numbers from a study done on a group of fit guys with high sex drives to begin with.

Reading these horror stories does scare the **** out of me though and it's one reason I haven't started taking anything yet. Especially since there's talk in this thread of DHT not being the problem anyway. I'll wait for updates from swisstemples before I start taking anything.

[CalmYerSwag]

I took fin before and and i didnt shoot ropes like i used too and brain fog. But worst of all it gave me pimples on my scalp that hurt like a bish. Dropped fin after two months. When i dont like my hair anymore and i continue to do well financially, getting a hair transplant asap. Best of the best. Wherever these A list celebs get it done is where im goin. They recently have a new process so theres no scar on the back of your head. Easy decision. Feel bad for you guys wit a laundry list of drugs to take.

[DirtyTrickster]

I took fin before and and i didnt shoot ropes like i used too and brain fog. But worst of all it gave me pimples on my scalp that hurt like a bish. Dropped fin after two months. When i dont like my hair anymore and i continue to do well financially, getting a hair transplant asap. Best of the best. Wherever these A list celebs get it done is where im goin. They recently have a new process so theres no scar on the back of your head. Easy decision. Feel bad for you guys wit a laundry list of drugs to take.

don't you still need to take drugs after transplant

[atgbrahsrs]

don't you still need to take drugs after transplant

yes, for the rest of the hair that is not transplanted. fukken lol at the uneducated ****s ITT

also, 50 days into fin no sides

[Roldadice]

don't you still need to take drugs after transplant

^exactly

[JustLetItHappen]

I took fin before and and i didnt shoot ropes like i used too and brain fog. But worst of all it gave me pimples on my scalp that hurt like a bish. Dropped fin after two months. When i dont like my hair anymore and i continue to do well financially, getting a hair transplant asap. Best of the best. Wherever these A list celebs get it done is where im goin. They recently have a new process so theres no scar on the back of your head. Easy decision. Feel bad for you guys wit a laundry list of drugs to take.

The joke will be on you, brah, when your HT doc tells you that you need to take fin afterwards or you'll just lose all your hair XD

good luck tho. Srs

[Roldadice]

The joke will be on you, brah, when your HT doc tells you that you need to take fin afterwards or you'll just lose all your hair XD

good luck tho. Srs

You'll keep the transplant, but without something to stabilise genetic loss, you'll look like a cornfield after a tornado....

[TygaTyga]

Dat 2 year anniversary

[NakedPut]

I started balding around 24-25, and I am 27 now. I've been on fin about 6 months now. My hair loss (which was accelerating) has stopped. No sides whatsoever. I take about .75mg every second day. Also use minoxidil as well one time a day (morning). Hair is slowly regrowing and I am not losing anymore. Feelsgoodman. Hopefully this can continue into my mid 30s.

[carranzapz]

when i took fin my blood pressure would drop and id get dizzy, couldn't continue lifting so i stopped taking them

[bchap05]

Fin did mess with my dink unfortunately. Can still get it up but was probably 75% as hard as normal. I stopped taking it after this, but then got some Cialis which works so now just take fin and Cialis and can get raging wood and keep hair at same time.

[Roldadice]

Fin did mess with my dink unfortunately. Can still get it up but was probably 75% as hard as normal. I stopped taking it after this, but then got some Cialis which works so now just take fin and Cialis and can get raging wood and keep hair at same time.

Check out this site:

rebelandrule.com/stop-propecia-side-effects

^ and stack L-Citrulline daily (I do 4-6 g). Been on fin since 2001, and I've managed to work around all sides. Still holding my hair.

[204Inches]

My biggest regret was not jumping on fin a year ago. How long before you start noticing results with fin? My shedding is fukkin crazy

[atgbrahsrs]

My biggest regret was not jumping on fin a year ago. How long before you start noticing results with fin? My shedding is fukkin crazy

On the instruction for the drug that comes in the box - it is said at least 3-6 months.

LOTS of people here and on hair loss forums say: at least 6 to 12 months up to a year and a half.

[pollywogpriest]

Meh, if I see someone ITT with a real account that posts sides it's an eye raiser. For the most part it's minor stuff for most of us - a guy named "Asexualzombie" clearly came to this forum just to push his agenda, and at that point I don't really take what he has to say seriously.

Never seen a reliable permanent side effects story. And way I look at it, if I lost my hair I'd be banging 3/10s anyway.

I went on fin. dink turned to rubber. the reality of just HOW physical it is, and NOT an anxiety induced erectyle weakness is crazy. add to that the fact that NOBODY will take your claim of it NOT being psychological seriously, and you'll be planning your suicide within 24 hours. srs.

If my sides had been permanent I would have 100% killed myself. fin sides are very real.

[White-Belt]

I went on fin. dink turned to rubber. the reality of just HOW physical it is, and NOT an anxiety induced erectyle weakness is crazy. add to that the fact that NOBODY will take your claim of it NOT being psychological seriously, and you'll be planning your suicide within 24 hours. srs.

If my sides had been permanent I would have 100% killed myself. fin sides are very real.

I went on fin. dink turned to rubber. the reality of just HOW physical it is, and NOT an anxiety induced erectyle weakness is crazy. add to that the fact that NOBODY will take your claim of it NOT being psychological seriously, and you'll be planning your suicide within 24 hours. srs.

If my sides had been permanent I would have 100% killed myself. fin sides are very real.

What has knocking out dht got to do with getting hard?

All you dudes saying it turned your dick to rubber have zero proof it has anything to do with fin.

Do you know how hard it is to piss when someone is watching? Same chit on fin, when you have a reason to worry about not getting hard then you physc yourself out. Women don't have dht and they still get sexually aroused no problem, arousal in both men and women require flushing blood into genitals.

DHT is a differentiator hormone, tells your dink to grow, tells body hair to grow and eventually causes your hair to fall out. Apart from the crucial stages of development, early in the womb and during puberty, you don't need DHT. DHT is like a car, it takes you to destination man, but once you are a man it doesn't seem to have much further use other than growing body hair and making your hair fall out. Because of its crucial developmental role you should never take fin when you are still developing into a man.

The only bonafide real side effects you should be worried about is gyno, it is rare but it does happen and has a proven link with knocking out dht.

There is a link with testosterone and libido so if you were to say my libido tanked and I didn't have any desire to have sex, then ok, I might believe that because if you aren't horny then it follows you won't be getting many erections. But if you are horny and can't get hard it isn't the fin causing it because androgens don't play a mechanical role in getting you hard.

Same with Viagra, people think Viagra gets you hard, it doesn't, it helps you stay harder for longer, getting it up is entirely up to you, and when they have this supplement that helps their dink then all of a sudden the barriers for getting erections fade away and they are popping erections from the second it passes their lips.

An erection is flushing blood into your cawk, it is mechanical function involving the nervous system. The testosterone makes you horny, the nervous system flushes your dink with blood. They are two distinct roles in sexual arousal. Which is why when guys like you say I couldn't get hard but at the same time report no loss of libido you are talking a load of chit.

There is no reason why fin would stop blood from getting to your knob. Zero. All you ****s physc yourself out before you even begin.

[JayC24]

^^ repped

[iifymbro]

I've been on fin .5mg every other day for 3 months, zero sides to speak of. Noticeable hair regrowth though, pretty psyched about that.

[pollywogpriest]

What has knocking out dht got to do with getting hard?

All you dudes saying it turned your dick to rubber have zero proof it has anything to do with fin.

Do you know how hard it is to piss when someone is watching? Same chit on fin, when you have a reason to worry about not getting hard then you physc yourself out. Women don't have dht and they still get sexually aroused no problem, arousal in both men and women require flushing blood into genitals.

DHT is a differentiator hormone, tells your dink to grow, tells body hair to grow and eventually causes your hair to fall out. Apart from the crucial stages of development, early in the womb and during puberty, you don't need DHT. DHT is like a car, it takes you to destination man, but once you are a man it doesn't seem to have much further use other than growing body hair and making your hair fall out. Because of its crucial developmental role you should never take fin when you are still developing into a man.

The only bonafide real side effects you should be worried about is gyno, it is rare but it does happen and has a proven link with knocking out dht.

There is a link with testosterone and libido so if you were to say my libido tanked and I didn't have any desire to have sex, then ok, I might believe that because if you aren't horny then it follows you won't be getting many erections. But if you are horny and can't get hard it isn't the fin causing it because androgens don't play a mechanical role in getting you hard.

Same with Viagra, people think Viagra gets you hard, it doesn't, it helps you stay harder for longer, getting it up is entirely up to you, and when they have this supplement that helps their dink then all of a sudden the barriers for getting erections fade away and they are popping erections from the second it passes their lips.

An erection is flushing blood into your cawk, it is mechanical function involving the nervous system. The testosterone makes you horny, the nervous system flushes your dink with blood. They are two distinct roles in sexual arousal. Which is why when guys like you say I couldn't get hard but at the same time report no loss of libido you are talking a load of chit.

There is no reason why fin would stop blood from getting to your knob. Zero. All you ****s physc yourself out before you even begin.

yeah, there we go. i've given up on warning young guys about fin. i mean i read the exact same posts on other boards before trying it, and it didn't discourage me either. i'm just glad my sides weren't permanent.

[atgbrahsrs]

DHT is a differentiator hormone, tells your dink to grow, tells body hair to grow and eventually causes your hair to fall out. Apart from the crucial stages of development, early in the womb and during puberty, you don't need DHT. DHT is like a car, it takes you to destination man, but once you are a man it doesn't seem to have much further use other than growing body hair and making your hair fall out. Because of its crucial developmental role you should never take fin when you are still developing into a man.

I like ur post but should I be worried about penis growth, further development of male characteristics and knocking out DHT at age 18

tells your dink to grow /// Because of its crucial developmental role you should never take fin when you are still developing into a man.

Does this only apply when one is in the womb ?

yeah, there we go. i've given up on warning young guys about fin. i mean i read the exact same posts on other boards before trying it, and it didn't discourage me either. i'm just glad my sides weren't permanent.

How many months were you in when this happened to you ?

[White-Belt]

I like ur post but should I be worried about penis growth, further development of male characteristics and knocking out DHT at age 18




Does this only apply when one is in the womb ?






How many months were you in when this happened to you ?

You need DHT during puberty and in the womb.

Personally, I would never use Fin if I was a teenager.

I didn't stop growing until about 22. I stopped growing height wise about 17/18, and then filled out in the next 3-4 years.

yeah, there we go. i've given up on warning young guys about fin. i mean i read the exact same posts on other boards before trying it, and it didn't discourage me either. i'm just glad my sides weren't permanent.

Because what you are saying doesn't make any sense lol

If you had a reduced libido and didn't get erections because you weren't horny - fair enough

If you had the same libido, and wanted to get hard but couldn't then it wasn't fin - at least it wasn't a direct impact of drug pharmacology.

[atgbrahsrs]

You need DHT during puberty and in the womb.

Personally, I would never use Fin if I was a teenager.

I didn't stop growing until about 22. I stopped growing height wise about 17/18, and then filled out in the next

Well, glad it is most important when in the womb.

My derm told me it is fine to be taking it right now because bone growth and penis/testes growth is testosterone , not dht because dht is body hair and facial hair and prostate growth.

Not too sure about whether this is known for sure because dht is made from test and how can I know test does not control ALL of these male cahracterietics thqrough dht. Hm.

[White-Belt]

Well, glad it is most important when in the womb.

My derm told me it is fine to be taking it right now because bone growth and penis/testes growth is testosterone , not dht because dht is body hair and facial hair and prostate growth.

Not too sure about whether this is known for sure because dht is made from test and how can I know test does not control ALL of these male cahracterietics thqrough dht. Hm.

Androgen generally have a role in dink length, sure the most important role of DHT might be in the womb but it does still have an effect.

When there is a known link between DHT and penis generation/growth would you take the risk?

I wouldn't lol, i wonder if your derm would be so sure if it was his own penis.

[xRedStaRx]

What has knocking out dht got to do with getting hard?

All you dudes saying it turned your dick to rubber have zero proof it has anything to do with fin.

Do you know how hard it is to piss when someone is watching? Same chit on fin, when you have a reason to worry about not getting hard then you physc yourself out. Women don't have dht and they still get sexually aroused no problem, arousal in both men and women require flushing blood into genitals.

DHT is a differentiator hormone, tells your dink to grow, tells body hair to grow and eventually causes your hair to fall out. Apart from the crucial stages of development, early in the womb and during puberty, you don't need DHT. DHT is like a car, it takes you to destination man, but once you are a man it doesn't seem to have much further use other than growing body hair and making your hair fall out. Because of its crucial developmental role you should never take fin when you are still developing into a man.

The only bonafide real side effects you should be worried about is gyno, it is rare but it does happen and has a proven link with knocking out dht.

There is a link with testosterone and libido so if you were to say my libido tanked and I didn't have any desire to have sex, then ok, I might believe that because if you aren't horny then it follows you won't be getting many erections. But if you are horny and can't get hard it isn't the fin causing it because androgens don't play a mechanical role in getting you hard.

Same with Viagra, people think Viagra gets you hard, it doesn't, it helps you stay harder for longer, getting it up is entirely up to you, and when they have this supplement that helps their dink then all of a sudden the barriers for getting erections fade away and they are popping erections from the second it passes their lips.

An erection is flushing blood into your cawk, it is mechanical function involving the nervous system. The testosterone makes you horny, the nervous system flushes your dink with blood. They are two distinct roles in sexual arousal. Which is why when guys like you say I couldn't get hard but at the same time report no loss of libido you are talking a load of chit.

There is no reason why fin would stop blood from getting to your knob. Zero. All you ****s physc yourself out before you even begin.

That's not entirely true.

Testosterone carries all of the roles of DHT, the difference is, DHT is more potent.

Both hormones play a role in achieving an erection, both physiologically and psychologically. They also play a role in maintaining erectile tissue.

[White-Belt]

That's not entirely true.

Testosterone carries all of the roles of DHT, the difference is, DHT is more potent.

Both hormones play a role in achieving an erection, both physiologically and psychologically. They also play a role in maintaining erectile tissue.

No it doesn't.

DHT is weakly anabolic for muscle tissue whereas testosterone is strongly anabolic for muscle tissue. DHT works to develop the prostate, whereas test doesn't. DHT primary function is asexual differentiation, if you have a gene mutation and lack a 5AR you don't develop proper male genitals even though you can have as much test as you like. DHT is a potent estrogen blocker whereas testosterone is not. They are very different.

Provirion is an injectable DHT derivative that used to be used for bodybuilding because of it's anti-estrogen property as a part of post cycle therapy. It has all been dropped from use in competitive bodybuilding because it isn't very anabolic.

There are numerous examples of how they act differently.

Just because they bind the same same receptor doesn't mean they have the same function. DHT binds the receptor more strongly, and whilst it may have overlapping function to testosterone it doesn't do the exactly the same thing. Those of us who know a bit about the pharmacology of receptors know that some receptors are promiscuous, the androgen receptor is one of them.

Test and DHT may have overlapping functions but they do different things too.

Androgens have a role in libido but DHT is a small part to play, the most important androgen is test. The mechanics of an erection have little to do with DHT. But sure libido may be impacted though it is worth noting that there are many who believe they have an increased libido - which they attribute to having more free test.

[xRedStaRx]

No it doesn't.

DHT is weakly anabolic for muscle tissue whereas testosterone is strongly anabolic for muscle tissue. DHT works to develop the prostate, whereas test doesn't. DHT primary function is a sexual differentiation, if you have a gene mutation and lack a 5AR you don't develop proper male genitals even though you can have as much test as you like.

Provirion is an injectable DHT derivative that used to be used for bodybuilding because of it's anti-estrogen property as a part of post cycle therapy. It has all been dropped from use in competitive bodybuilding because it isn't very anabolic.

There are numerous examples of how they act differently.

Just because they bind the same same receptor doesn't mean they have the same function. DHT binds the receptor more strongly, and whilst it may have overlapping function to testosterone it doesn't do the exactly the same thing. Those of us who know a bit about the pharmacology of receptors know that some receptors are promiscuous, the androgen receptor is one of them.

Test and DHT may have overlapping functions but they do different things too.

Androgens have a role in libido but DHT is a small part to play, the most important androgen is test. The mechanics of an erection have little to do with DHT. But sure libido may be impacted though it is worth noting that there are many who believe they have an increased libido - which they attribute to having more free test.

That's because muscles breakdown DHT. Testosterone works just as well as DHT, DHT is just more potent and locally reduced. DHT develops your genitals in the womb for the same reason. The penis grows during puberty 'normally' with pseudohermaphrodites. See first point for Provirion.

DHT does play a role in libido, it makes you more sexually reactive, as opposed to just feeling 'horny' when exposed to stimuli. Testosterone is important because you cannot have DHT naturally without testosterone. It's more potent form is what gives you the androgenic properties, because it is more potent and it is autocrinal. DHT promotes NO synthase in erectile tissue, which increases intra-penile pressure during erections, and potentially last longer. To take it further, there was a study on rats treated with finasteride that showed irregular and collage-nous erectile tissue, and lower weight of the corpus cavernosum compared to control. I also faintly remember a study in the 90s measuring the relationship of DHT to spontaneous erections and nocturnal erections, found it to be a positive one with statistical significance.

All I'm saying is, it is not yet clear, at the very least.

[White-Belt]

That's because muscles breakdown DHT. Testosterone works just as well as DHT, DHT is just more potent and locally reduced. DHT develops your genitals in the womb for the same reason. The penis grows during puberty 'normally' with pseudohermaphrodites. See first point for Provirion.

DHT does play a role in libido, it makes you more sexually reactive, as opposed to just feeling 'horny' when exposed to stimuli. Testosterone is important because you cannot have DHT naturally without testosterone. It's more potent form is what gives you the androgenic properties, because it is more potent and it is autocrinal. DHT promotes NO synthase in erectile tissue, which increases intra-penile pressure during erections, and potentially last longer. To take it further, there was a study on rats treated with finasteride that showed irregular and collage-nous erectile tissue, and lower weight of the corpus cavernosum compared to control. I also faintly remember a study in the 90s measuring the relationship of DHT to spontaneous erections and nocturnal erections, found it to be a positive one with statistical significance.

All I'm saying is, it is not yet clear, at the very least.

That's because muscles breakdown DHT. Testosterone works just as well as DHT, DHT is just more potent and locally reduced. DHT develops your genitals in the womb for the same reason. The penis grows during puberty 'normally' with pseudohermaphrodites. See first point for Provirion.

DHT does play a role in libido, it makes you more sexually reactive, as opposed to just feeling 'horny' when exposed to stimuli. Testosterone is important because you cannot have DHT naturally without testosterone. It's more potent form is what gives you the androgenic properties, because it is more potent and it is autocrinal. DHT promotes NO synthase in erectile tissue, which increases intra-penile pressure during erections, and potentially last longer. To take it further, there was a study on rats treated with finasteride that showed irregular and collage-nous erectile tissue, and lower weight of the corpus cavernosum compared to control. I also faintly remember a study in the 90s measuring the relationship of DHT to spontaneous erections and nocturnal erections, found it to be a positive one with statistical significance.

All I'm saying is, it is not yet clear, at the very least.

The point about me bringing up provirion is that even when you super dose the stuff you still don't get muscle growth. Sure DHT is broken down at the muscle, but you can saturate the body with DHT and it still doesn't promote much if any muscle growth.

Test cannot be substituted for DHT in the womb for the development of male genitals, and it doesn't inhibit estrogen production but DHT does. There are contrasting roles that aren't explained by local degradation. Androgen receptors can be expressed as different forms, and can be activated by different androgens. It isn't just the case that DHT is a stronger test, it might well be for some functions, but has differing roles too that test doesn't have.

Androgens do have a known link with libido, but the one with NO is tenuous because there are some that says it up regulated NO synthsase. DHT doesn't appear to be required to get erection with the proviso that you must already have a functioning dick and a functioning libido lol.

[portamoral]

no offense brahs but you have to be an absolute fool at this point to think fin cant cause ED or any other issues

the people suffering speak for themselves they aren't making stuff up for fun. I'm sure they would prefer a full head of hair if they could tolerate it

there is much to be learned, it's happening for a reason. nothing is clear at this point