Girls always lose interest after a while

[loadedbrah]

Over my short life the few times where I've met a girl, I like her, she likes me we start spending time together and getting close, starts feeling like we are heading into a relationship then bam she starts loses interest and everything falls through. Every time it hits me right in the feels, I mean its not everyday where you like a girl and the girl likes you and when **** falls through it hurts.

Other dudes with more dating experience, does this type of thing happen a lot and also what may be the reason this has happened to me the few times I've had the chance to get close to a girl?

[KFM219]

I'm gonna break it down for you like this bro. As an animal species our only purpose on this earth is to survive and reproduce just like all the other animals that populate this world. Our sole purpose is to live long enough to pass on our genes and then die. But somewhere along the line we evolved to such a degree that we began to add layers and layers of meaning to these two functions of survival and reproduction. As mankind progressed through time and moved from a nomadic race to a civilized race we developed these meanings into beliefs. These beliefs then evolved further into norms and standards which have morphed/changed over the centuries as we grew more "civilized." And we lost sight of the fact that 90% of human behavior is tied into survival and reproduction. For instance, we want acceptance by our peers - why? survival. We want a job, money, and material things - why? survival. And so on.

Now why is this all relevant? B/c when it comes to women you need to look to the reproductive instinct and this instinct is governed by the laws of nature. Males mate with the most fertile females and females mate with the strongest most dominant males.

If your woman is losing interest in you over time its b/c she is losing attraction to you over time. It means you've communicated to her limbic system (the region of the brain where attraction, lust, sexual desire all occur) that you are a wuss. That's what "no spark", "no chemistry", "losing interest", "crap tests", etc. are all about - these are all euphemisms from a woman basically telling you that you're a wuss and the tests are her way of seeing if you're strong and dominant. Women can instinctively sniff out weakness in men and they have zero tolerance for weakness in males.

The solution is to understand that women are VERY sensitive sexually to your "energy"; that is the behavior that you're demonstrating to her. The minute your energy becomes feminine that is to say your behavior becomes whiny, needy, clingy, insecure, wishy washy, uncertain, weak, etc. she will drastically lose sexual attraction for you. A woman is relying on you to be a chiseled granite rock. You need to be the Byronic Hero that she fantasizes about when she reads Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights. You need to be Mr. Rochester/Heathcliff, not the wuss you've turned into.

[loadedbrah]

I'm gonna break it down for you like this bro. As an animal species our only purpose on this earth is to survive and reproduce just like all the other animals that populate this world. Our sole purpose is to live long enough to pass on our genes and then die. But somewhere along the line we evolved to such a degree that we began to add layers and layers of meaning to these two functions of survival and reproduction. As mankind progressed through time and moved from a nomadic race to a civilized race we developed these meanings into beliefs. These beliefs then evolved further into norms and standards which have morphed/changed over the centuries as we grew more "civilized." And we lost sight of the fact that 90% of human behavior is tied into survival and reproduction. For instance, we want acceptance by our peers - why? survival. We want a job, money, and material things - why? survival. And so on.

Now why is this all relevant? B/c when it comes to women you need to look to the reproductive instinct and this instinct is governed by the laws of nature. Males mate with the most fertile females and females mate with the strongest most dominant males.

If your woman is losing interest in you over time its b/c she is losing attraction to you over time. It means you've communicated to her limbic system (the region of the brain where attraction, lust, sexual desire all occur) that you are a wuss. That's what "no spark", "no chemistry", "losing interest", "crap tests", etc. are all about - these are all euphemisms from a woman basically telling you that you're a wuss and the tests are her way of seeing if you're strong and dominant. Women can instinctively sniff out weakness in men and they have zero tolerance for weakness in males.

The solution is to understand that women are VERY sensitive sexually to your "energy"; that is the behavior that you're demonstrating to her. The minute your energy becomes feminine that is to say your behavior becomes whiny, needy, clingy, insecure, wishy washy, uncertain, weak, etc. she will drastically lose sexual attraction for you. A woman is relying on you to be a chiseled granite rock. You need to be the Byronic Hero that she fantasizes about when she reads Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights. You need to be Mr. Rochester/Heathcliff, not the wuss you've turned into.

Damn, quality post and quite the eye opener. Cheers bro, repped.

[RougeProdigy]

I'm gonna break it down for you like this bro. As an animal species our only purpose on this earth is to survive and reproduce just like all the other animals that populate this world. Our sole purpose is to live long enough to pass on our genes and then die. But somewhere along the line we evolved to such a degree that we began to add layers and layers of meaning to these two functions of survival and reproduction. As mankind progressed through time and moved from a nomadic race to a civilized race we developed these meanings into beliefs. These beliefs then evolved further into norms and standards which have morphed/changed over the centuries as we grew more "civilized." And we lost sight of the fact that 90% of human behavior is tied into survival and reproduction. For instance, we want acceptance by our peers - why? survival. We want a job, money, and material things - why? survival. And so on.

Now why is this all relevant? B/c when it comes to women you need to look to the reproductive instinct and this instinct is governed by the laws of nature. Males mate with the most fertile females and females mate with the strongest most dominant males.

If your woman is losing interest in you over time its b/c she is losing attraction to you over time. It means you've communicated to her limbic system (the region of the brain where attraction, lust, sexual desire all occur) that you are a wuss. That's what "no spark", "no chemistry", "losing interest", "crap tests", etc. are all about - these are all euphemisms from a woman basically telling you that you're a wuss and the tests are her way of seeing if you're strong and dominant. Women can instinctively sniff out weakness in men and they have zero tolerance for weakness in males.

The solution is to understand that women are VERY sensitive sexually to your "energy"; that is the behavior that you're demonstrating to her. The minute your energy becomes feminine that is to say your behavior becomes whiny, needy, clingy, insecure, wishy washy, uncertain, weak, etc. she will drastically lose sexual attraction for you. A woman is relying on you to be a chiseled granite rock. You need to be the Byronic Hero that she fantasizes about when she reads Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights. You need to be Mr. Rochester/Heathcliff, not the wuss you've turned into.

I would also like to add low status can be another issue. It's much easier to demonstrate these traits if you can dominate a group of both girls and guys in front of her. In this case, having status helps.

Being part of her social circle and simply getting the approval of her friends also makes you look more manly.

[KFM219]

I would also like to add low status can be another issue. It's much easier to demonstrate these traits if you can dominate a group of both girls and guys in front of her. In this case, having status helps.

Being part of her social circle and simply getting the approval of her friends also makes you look more manly.

Sure low status/high status are euphemisms for weak males/strong dominant males.

Personally, I demonstrate these traits through body language. To give you an example of how powerful and important this is one need only look at the greatest sex symbols of the 1950s. The biggest female sex symbol of the 1950s was Marilyn Monroe. She was blonde, cornflower blue eyes, stunningly gorgeous, amazing body by 1950s standards, etc. Pretty much what you would expect.

But do you know who the greatest male sex symbol of the 1950s was? You would expect a guy who was 6'2, square jawed, black hair someone like Gregory Peck; a physical counterpart to Marilyn Monroe. But the biggest male sex symbol of the 1950s was Yul Brynner. The guy was 5'8, had mongolian features and was bald! No one in the 1950s sported a chrome dome and this was before the civil rights movement, womens' rights, etc. One biographer wrote that in the 1950s Yul Brynner may as well have come from Mars b/c of how oddly he stuck out against the backdrop of American social norms. But Brynner's body language is off the charts. He dominates every actor/actress that's on screen with him to a point where you can't watch anyone else on screen. He grabs and keeps your attention every single moment he's on screen. Its no wonder Marlene Dietrich, Judy Garland, Joan Crawford were just one of many, many actresses who he banged who were crazy obsessed with him.

[loadedbrah]

Just been reading some **** and this fits me to the tee


A girl likes you, to some extent,
You fail to make a move quick enough or miss an obvious sign
You beat yourself up for it later, and resolve to get her
You start trying to get her any way you can - calling, texting, etc.
You refuse to give up on this girl, convinced you'll win her heart, despite the fact that she is not reciprocating



Feels bad man

[KFM219]

Just been reading some **** and this fits me to the tee


A girl likes you, to some extent,
You fail to make a move quick enough or miss an obvious sign
You beat yourself up for it later, and resolve to get her
You start trying to get her any way you can - calling, texting, etc.
You refuse to give up on this girl, convinced you'll win her heart, despite the fact that she is not reciprocating



Feels bad man

Think of it this way: You being needy, clingy, insecure, wishy washy, uncertain, whiny, weak, etc. would be the equivalent of a girl becoming fat. If the girl you're dating started becoming fat wouldn't you lose interest in her? That's how women feel when you turn into a wuss, they feel repelled sexually.

In fact, that's how women feel about most guys. This is why women complain so much about not having any guys to date. Its not that guys aren't hitting on them, its that the guys that get them all hot and bothered are few and far between.

A guy will be very sexually attracted to at least 50 women every single day of his life. But I'm telling you that through a woman's lifetime she may be very sexually attracted (the kind of guy that she fantasies about and gets butterflies around) to a handful of guys b/c the vast majority of guys don't know how to behave and carry themselves as strong, dominant males. Women are enamored by guys who can reflect strength and dominance without being over the top macho.

Once you strip everything down to the basic laws of human nature, everything makes complete sense. We're just too smart as a species that we overcomplicate things.

[RougeProdigy]

Just been reading some **** and this fits me to the tee


A girl likes you, to some extent,
You fail to make a move quick enough or miss an obvious sign
You beat yourself up for it later, and resolve to get her
You start trying to get her any way you can - calling, texting, etc.
You refuse to give up on this girl, convinced you'll win her heart, despite the fact that she is not reciprocating



Feels bad man

According to zyzz and the other genetic elite, a girl will make a move on you if she is interested enough. If you find yourself having to make a move or "missing" escalation windows, she just wasn't interested enough.

LMS/face crew checking in

[RougeProdigy]

In fact, that's how women feel about most guys. This is why women complain so much about not having any guys to date. Its not that guys aren't hitting on them, its that the guys that get them all hot and bothered are few and far between.

Yea right PUAs are running amock. Only the genetic elite can escalate hard. You need looks/money/status to pull it off.

[CeBKa]

I'm gonna break it down for you like this bro. As an animal species our only purpose on this earth is to survive and reproduce just like all the other animals that populate this world. Our sole purpose is to live long enough to pass on our genes and then die. But somewhere along the line we evolved to such a degree that we began to add layers and layers of meaning to these two functions of survival and reproduction. As mankind progressed through time and moved from a nomadic race to a civilized race we developed these meanings into beliefs. These beliefs then evolved further into norms and standards which have morphed/changed over the centuries as we grew more "civilized." And we lost sight of the fact that 90% of human behavior is tied into survival and reproduction. For instance, we want acceptance by our peers - why? survival. We want a job, money, and material things - why? survival. And so on.

Now why is this all relevant? B/c when it comes to women you need to look to the reproductive instinct and this instinct is governed by the laws of nature. Males mate with the most fertile females and females mate with the strongest most dominant males.

If your woman is losing interest in you over time its b/c she is losing attraction to you over time. It means you've communicated to her limbic system (the region of the brain where attraction, lust, sexual desire all occur) that you are a wuss. That's what "no spark", "no chemistry", "losing interest", "crap tests", etc. are all about - these are all euphemisms from a woman basically telling you that you're a wuss and the tests are her way of seeing if you're strong and dominant. Women can instinctively sniff out weakness in men and they have zero tolerance for weakness in males.

The solution is to understand that women are VERY sensitive sexually to your "energy"; that is the behavior that you're demonstrating to her. The minute your energy becomes feminine that is to say your behavior becomes whiny, needy, clingy, insecure, wishy washy, uncertain, weak, etc. she will drastically lose sexual attraction for you. A woman is relying on you to be a chiseled granite rock. You need to be the Byronic Hero that she fantasizes about when she reads Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights. You need to be Mr. Rochester/Heathcliff, not the wuss you've turned into.

mods should sticky this ****

[KFM219]

Yea right PUAs are running amock. Only the genetic elite can escalate hard. You need looks/money/status to pull it off.

No you don't. You do need a basic understanding of human nature and body language cues. For instance, women overwhelmingly rate eyes as the sexiest feature about a guy and they get very turned on by direct eye contact during conversation. Why? B/c direct eye contact is a primal body language cue that signals strength and dominance. A stronger, dominant male will make and hold direct eye contact with subordinates, we see it from wolf packs to silverback gorillas. When you are making direct eye contact with a woman while you're conversing with her (not going around staring at women like a psycho), it will trigger her limbic system and she will start to feel attraction for you on a subconscious level. She will begin to find you mysteriously sexy. Here's a great excerpt from Leil Lowndes book:

Several years ago, I hired a carpenter to put an additional window in my office. Jerry wasn't terribly good-looking, and he certainly was no mental colossus, but for some inexplicable reason, I found him very attractive. There was an indefinable, mysterious quality about Jerry. It was unsettling, primal, sexy.

I didn't permit myself to indulge in my little infatuation, however. Perhaps I thought seducing the carpenter was neither politically correct nor otherwise desirable under the circumstances. Or perhaps Jerry's other qualities weren't emblazoned on my Lovemap. However, thoughts of Jerry filled my fantasies for weeks.

I didn't see him for several years. Then, just recently, while working on this book, I needed shelves to hold my research materials. Naturally, I called Jerry. He arrived on my doorstep, ten pounds heavier, three years older, but just as sexy.

This time, thanks to my recent research, five minutes into our conversation, I realized why he turned me on. Every time I said something, Jerry's eyes lingered on mine. After I had finished speaking, even during the silences, his eyes stayed glued to mine. That quality, I realized, is what I had found so unsettling, so primal, so sexy.

As our discussion about my shelves progressed, I also realized why Jerry was holding the eye contact longer. He wasn't trying to be sexy. He wasn't fascinated by me. It wasn't because he couldn't take his eyes off me. It was simply because Jerry wasn't too bright, and it took an extra beat for my "I'd like the shelves eleven inches wide" to sink into his brain.

[RougeProdigy]

Positive canthal tilt and low set brows make a good eye area. You just need a normal level of eye contact. No creepy stares necessary.

[KFM219]

Positive canthal tilt and low set brows make a good eye area. You just need a normal level of eye contact. No creepy stares necessary.

The problem is most guy's normal level of eye contact when they're talking to a girl they're attracted to is awful. They're so nervous that they can't hold her gaze at all and this comes across to her limbic system as a weak, submissive male. You need to be able to comfortably give her direct eye contact and hold her gaze while you're conversing with her. It doesn't matter what you're talking about, but you must look directly in her eyes and hold her gaze. If you're perceptive you'll actually notice a subtle change in her face as the conversation is moving - her eyes will light up, her face will become softer, she'll perk up and be more enthusiastic, she'll start to have a smile plastered on her face, she'll blush when you make a lame joke, etc. That's when I know her limbic system is triggered and she's starting to become attracted to me. I worked in sales for a few years so I'm comfortable with this level of body language with anyone and everyone.

[PotatosGonPotat]

I'm gonna break it down for you like this bro. As an animal species our only purpose on this earth is to survive and reproduce just like all the other animals that populate this world. Our sole purpose is to live long enough to pass on our genes and then die. But somewhere along the line we evolved to such a degree that we began to add layers and layers of meaning to these two functions of survival and reproduction. As mankind progressed through time and moved from a nomadic race to a civilized race we developed these meanings into beliefs. These beliefs then evolved further into norms and standards which have morphed/changed over the centuries as we grew more "civilized." And we lost sight of the fact that 90% of human behavior is tied into survival and reproduction. For instance, we want acceptance by our peers - why? survival. We want a job, money, and material things - why? survival. And so on.

Now why is this all relevant? B/c when it comes to women you need to look to the reproductive instinct and this instinct is governed by the laws of nature. Males mate with the most fertile females and females mate with the strongest most dominant males.

If your woman is losing interest in you over time its b/c she is losing attraction to you over time. It means you've communicated to her limbic system (the region of the brain where attraction, lust, sexual desire all occur) that you are a wuss. That's what "no spark", "no chemistry", "losing interest", "crap tests", etc. are all about - these are all euphemisms from a woman basically telling you that you're a wuss and the tests are her way of seeing if you're strong and dominant. Women can instinctively sniff out weakness in men and they have zero tolerance for weakness in males.

The solution is to understand that women are VERY sensitive sexually to your "energy"; that is the behavior that you're demonstrating to her. The minute your energy becomes feminine that is to say your behavior becomes whiny, needy, clingy, insecure, wishy washy, uncertain, weak, etc. she will drastically lose sexual attraction for you. A woman is relying on you to be a chiseled granite rock. You need to be the Byronic Hero that she fantasizes about when she reads Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights. You need to be Mr. Rochester/Heathcliff, not the wuss you've turned into.

fuking repped! Take notes ladies and gentelmen this deserves a noble prize.

[red2ero]

I'm gonna break it down for you like this bro. As an animal species our only purpose on this earth is to survive and reproduce just like all the other animals that populate this world. Our sole purpose is to live long enough to pass on our genes and then die. But somewhere along the line we evolved to such a degree that we began to add layers and layers of meaning to these two functions of survival and reproduction. As mankind progressed through time and moved from a nomadic race to a civilized race we developed these meanings into beliefs. These beliefs then evolved further into norms and standards which have morphed/changed over the centuries as we grew more "civilized." And we lost sight of the fact that 90% of human behavior is tied into survival and reproduction. For instance, we want acceptance by our peers - why? survival. We want a job, money, and material things - why? survival. And so on.

Now why is this all relevant? B/c when it comes to women you need to look to the reproductive instinct and this instinct is governed by the laws of nature. Males mate with the most fertile females and females mate with the strongest most dominant males.

If your woman is losing interest in you over time its b/c she is losing attraction to you over time. It means you've communicated to her limbic system (the region of the brain where attraction, lust, sexual desire all occur) that you are a wuss. That's what "no spark", "no chemistry", "losing interest", "crap tests", etc. are all about - these are all euphemisms from a woman basically telling you that you're a wuss and the tests are her way of seeing if you're strong and dominant. Women can instinctively sniff out weakness in men and they have zero tolerance for weakness in males.

The solution is to understand that women are VERY sensitive sexually to your "energy"; that is the behavior that you're demonstrating to her. The minute your energy becomes feminine that is to say your behavior becomes whiny, needy, clingy, insecure, wishy washy, uncertain, weak, etc. she will drastically lose sexual attraction for you. A woman is relying on you to be a chiseled granite rock. You need to be the Byronic Hero that she fantasizes about when she reads Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights. You need to be Mr. Rochester/Heathcliff, not the wuss you've turned into.

logged in to rep

[Jasonw1178]

I'm gonna break it down for you like this bro...

BEST Quote of the Misc RH section.

I have honestly noticed that since my GF has seen my softer side, she has been less interested in sex.

[US_Ranger]

Some of you guys just might not be that interesting. Think about it for a second and be self-reflective. What do YOU have to offer? Lots of threads on here about chicks losing interest but what exactly do YOU do to keep their interest? Do you have hobbies? Do you play sports? Are you a part of something? Is lifting/eating/miscing all you do? If so, of course a chick is going to lose interest in you.

Some of you might be angry at this post but that's probably because it describes you. Time to improve yourself if you want to keep someone interested.

[shelifts1989]

The problem is most guy's normal level of eye contact when they're talking to a girl they're attracted to is awful. They're so nervous that they can't hold her gaze at all and this comes across to her limbic system as a weak, submissive male. You need to be able to comfortably give her direct eye contact and hold her gaze while you're conversing with her. It doesn't matter what you're talking about, but you must look directly in her eyes and hold her gaze. If you're perceptive you'll actually notice a subtle change in her face as the conversation is moving - her eyes will light up, her face will become softer, she'll perk up and be more enthusiastic, she'll start to have a smile plastered on her face, she'll blush when you make a lame joke, etc. That's when I know her limbic system is triggered and she's starting to become attracted to me. I worked in sales for a few years so I'm comfortable with this level of body language with anyone and everyone.

I agree with your eye contact post, as I worked in sales myself and know that this holds true.

I don't agree with the evolution of the woman over time part because needing a man to help out around the house, to be a caregiver has evolved with women returning to the workforce. If you talk to most women about why they are unhappy with their partners (and believe me I hear a lot of complaining from married women), it's because he doesn't help out with cooking/household chores nor is he there for her emotionally.

As for dating, now in our society people get bored with things quickly with video games, tv and social media that they are quick to throw someone away and move on to someone else. In the past people didn't have many options/only stayed within their social circle so they stuck it out with one man. Now a woman can go online and have a ton of WKs at her disposal.

[Hewholifts]

I'm gonna break it down for you like this bro. As an animal species our only purpose on this earth is to survive and reproduce just like all the other animals that populate this world. Our sole purpose is to live long enough to pass on our genes and then die. But somewhere along the line we evolved to such a degree that we began to add layers and layers of meaning to these two functions of survival and reproduction. As mankind progressed through time and moved from a nomadic race to a civilized race we developed these meanings into beliefs. These beliefs then evolved further into norms and standards which have morphed/changed over the centuries as we grew more "civilized." And we lost sight of the fact that 90% of human behavior is tied into survival and reproduction. For instance, we want acceptance by our peers - why? survival. We want a job, money, and material things - why? survival. And so on.

Now why is this all relevant? B/c when it comes to women you need to look to the reproductive instinct and this instinct is governed by the laws of nature. Males mate with the most fertile females and females mate with the strongest most dominant males.

If your woman is losing interest in you over time its b/c she is losing attraction to you over time. It means you've communicated to her limbic system (the region of the brain where attraction, lust, sexual desire all occur) that you are a wuss. That's what "no spark", "no chemistry", "losing interest", "crap tests", etc. are all about - these are all euphemisms from a woman basically telling you that you're a wuss and the tests are her way of seeing if you're strong and dominant. Women can instinctively sniff out weakness in men and they have zero tolerance for weakness in males.

The solution is to understand that women are VERY sensitive sexually to your "energy"; that is the behavior that you're demonstrating to her. The minute your energy becomes feminine that is to say your behavior becomes whiny, needy, clingy, insecure, wishy washy, uncertain, weak, etc. she will drastically lose sexual attraction for you. A woman is relying on you to be a chiseled granite rock. You need to be the Byronic Hero that she fantasizes about when she reads Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights. You need to be Mr. Rochester/Heathcliff, not the wuss you've turned into.

Great info here. I knew it all, but it´s not easy to apply.
There is a fine line between being dominant and loosing her by rudeness.

I struggle with it quite often although I am getting better.
An incident was
I agreed for a movie evening at a girls house who I have met only 1 time before (everyone knows what a movie evening means).
While I was at work, she kept texting me with bull**** that I had no time for.
She asked, if she should eat before I go over or if we wanted to order some pizza.

My natural response would read
"Girl, I don´t have time to think about that stuff right now. I certainly won´t eat pizza but we can order some healthy food. Do whatever you want and let me know, so I´ll eat before driving to you or wait as well."

I am sure she would find it rude and at the same time beta because you are not leading and adapting to her course of action.
So I suggested I´ll bring some steaks to which she replied that she likes steaks but since she is leaving for vacation the next day and does not want the dirty pans and dishes.
But she would still do it if I wanted to. She just needs to know before.
I saw this turning into yet another never ending correspondence with a woman over trivial bull**** and just told her we would order (knowing that I am going to smash within the first 30 min anyway; which I did)

Anyways sorry for the long text on this bull****. It just shows, that applying this knowledge is not always easy.
All things considered, I think I probably lost a few points during that bull**** conversation by being too willing to adapt and not assertive.

[KFM219]

BEST Quote of the Misc RH section.

I have honestly noticed that since my GF has seen my softer side, she has been less interested in sex.

I'm not a relationship expert at all, I make a terrible boyfriend b/c I do my own thing and after awhile women break up with me b/c they get tired of it. But I haven't cold approached a woman in ages, I can't remember the last time I just went up to a girl and asked her out. I only approach women who are aggressively flirting with me first and this usually ends up being cashiers, waitresses, bartenders, etc. of places I frequent. I haven't hooked up with anyone from work, but that doesn't stop me from getting non-sexual favors. Its shocking to me how women respond when you figure this out on a scientific level combined with a decent knowledge of human nature are aware of it and put it into practice. There are times when I'm in disbelief and I get a sense of how a blonde with big tits must feel like at times b/c of the attention she gets. Everything from free coffee, free donuts on my cheat day, discounts, etc.

But it makes perfect sense. When you look at animal mating behavior, Darwin put forth that females are the selectors of a given species in part b/c they have a greater investment in the reproductive process. This means that intrasexual competition between males becomes of utmost importance to females. This is why the buck with the biggest antlers isn't enough for the females, that buck must then battle other bucks and prove himself as the strongest and most dominant before a female will submit to him sexually.

Women of our species are way more sensitive to our behavior than any other quality we possess. It will absolutely shock you the kind of guys women will develop crushes for over their lifetimes. I remember way back in the early 90s when Cindy Crawford was voted sexiest female on tv and Patrick Stewart was voted sexiest male on tv. The former was a supermodel, the latter was a bald middle aged man. But if you watch him on Star Trek his behavior is total strength and dominance. Everything from his eye contact to his presence is authoritative and commanding.

You just gotta strike the right balance. For every one part she sees your soft side, she needs to feel three parts of your strong dominant side.

[KFM219]

Great info here. I knew it all, but it´s not easy to apply.
There is a fine line between being dominant and loosing her by rudeness.

I struggle with it quite often although I am getting better.
An incident was
I agreed for a movie evening at a girls house who I have met only 1 time before (everyone knows what a movie evening means).
While I was at work, she kept texting me with bull**** that I had no time for.
She asked, if she should eat before I go over or if we wanted to order some pizza.

My natural response would read
"Girl, I don´t have time to think about that stuff right now. I certainly won´t eat pizza but we can order some healthy food. Do whatever you want and let me know, so I´ll eat before driving to you or wait as well."

I am sure she would find it rude and at the same time beta because you are not leading and adapting to her course of action.
So I suggested I´ll bring some steaks to which she replied that she likes steaks but since she is leaving for vacation the next day and does not want the dirty pans and dishes.
But she would still do it if I wanted to. She just needs to know before.
I saw this turning into yet another never ending correspondence with a woman over trivial bull**** and just told her we would order (knowing that I am going to smash within the first 30 min anyway; which I did)

Anyways sorry for the long text on this bull****. It just shows, that applying this knowledge is not always easy.
All things considered, I think I probably lost a few points during that bull**** conversation by being too willing to adapt and not assertive.

Its ALL about how you say things, not what you say. Your eye contact, voice tonality, and body language needs to be expressing strength and dominance at all times. This doesn't necessarily mean barking out things as orders.

[KFM219]

I agree with your eye contact post, as I worked in sales myself and know that this holds true.

I don't agree with the evolution of the woman over time part because needing a man to help out around the house, to be a caregiver has evolved with women returning to the workforce. If you talk to most women about why they are unhappy with their partners (and believe me I hear a lot of complaining from married women), it's because he doesn't help out with cooking/household chores nor is he there for her emotionally.

As for dating, now in our society people get bored with things quickly with video games, tv and social media that they are quick to throw someone away and move on to someone else. In the past people didn't have many options/only stayed within their social circle so they stuck it out with one man. Now a woman can go online and have a ton of WKs at her disposal.

I agree. But I'm solely focused on primal sexual attraction triggers. B/c we're a highly evolved species, we are also looking for many other factors. What I'm describing is the male equivalent of a woman with a great body, nice legs, and big boobs.

[daisygirl713]

Its ALL about how you say things, not what you say. Your eye contact, voice tonality, and body language needs to be expressing strength and dominance at all times. This doesn't necessarily mean barking out things as orders.

no, it's DEFINITELY about what you say, too.


so much so...i can't emphasize that enough. delivery is as important as content.

[shelifts1989]

I agree. But I'm solely focused on primal sexual attraction triggers. B/c we're a highly evolved species, we are also looking for many other factors. What I'm describing is the male equivalent of a woman with a great body, nice legs, and big boobs.

Primal sexual triggers for women include physical characteristics like height, broad shoulders, square jaw, strength to protect her, yet also for women

Non sexual characteristics like does he have a good income in case she becomes pregnant (is he a good provider) strong eye contact, and confidence.

A lot of guys try to tell me what to do, be super "alpha" yet turn it abrasive and turn me off and other women I know.

[KFM219]

no, it's DEFINITELY about what you say, too.


so much so...i can't emphasize that enough. delivery is as important as content.

I don't think they're equal, at least not in my experience.

Primal sexual triggers for women include physical characteristics like height, broad shoulders, square jaw, strength to protect her, yet also for women

Non sexual characteristics like does he have a good income in case she becomes pregnant (is he a good provider) strong eye contact, and confidence.

A lot of guys try to tell me what to do, be super "alpha" yet turn it abrasive and turn me off and other women I know.

Yes and no. Primal attractive triggers like square jaws, strong brow ridges, etc. reflect high degrees of testosterone. However, under Darwin's theory of female mate selection, these secondary dimorphic sexual characteristics are trumped by intrasexual behavioral competition. To use my example of the buck, its not enough that the buck with the largest antlers gets to mate with the female. He must also battle the other bucks and prove that he is the strongest and most dominant buck. This is true of all higher order animals including primates (us). This is why confidence (a behavioral attribute) is usually the most important quality to a woman. I think the only time I've seen a girl fixated on looks, at the expense of behavioral attributes, is when she's very young and has a parlor sense view of sexuality. During the Justin Beaver, boy band stage in her life.

Strength and dominance is not the same as controlling. The former is self assurance, the latter stems from insecurity. So if a guy is telling you what to do abrasively, he's controlling you and is probably very insecure.

[babyface91]

This thread has been an eye-opener.

[PotatosGonPotat]

no, it's DEFINITELY about what you say, too.


so much so...i can't emphasize that enough. delivery is as important as content.

Actually it really matters what you say if you're completely socially restarted. I could literally say some of the most random or dumbest things to girls who are really attracted to me and they keep the conversation going or laugh like it was funny and it obviously wasn't. Vice versa with girls who aren't really interested in me. No matter how much I tried, it wasn't going anywhere

[KFM219]

Actually it really matters what you say if you're completely socially restarted. I could literally say some of the most random or dumbest things to girls who are really attracted to me and they keep the conversation going or laugh like it was funny and it obviously wasn't. Vice versa with girls who aren't really interested in me. No matter how much I tried, it wasn't going anywhere

Yeah, that's been my experience as well. Once woman is very attracted to you, its all over. I'm not talking about a guy she finds cute, but a guy she finds OMG he's so hot. She won't be able to stop it and it will occupy her mind to such a high degree that it will amaze you. I think this is b/c its so rare that a woman finds a guy that attractive. She will dream about the guy, fantasize about the guy, her heart will pound when he's around, she won't be able to think straight. You could say virtually anything and you can do no wrong. This doesn't last forever though, b/c eventually after dating for awhile if you not couple oriented she will get fed up and break up with you.

[SwaggerMcdaniel]

All that alpha male crap is all well and good

But in today's society there are other extrinsic factors such as wealth that matter a hell of a lot too. Even the manliest of all men get dumped

Also no matter how much testosterone you have it's not gonna matter if she wants to ride the meat carousel

You could be putting off the best aura and still lose a girl

Women care more now about how they appear to their peers, n choose mates based off of that. So when you see a skinny *** w a hot chick it kinda throws a wrench into the whole most testosterone keeps the girl theory. There are other things besides physical attraction.

[daisygirl713]

Actually it really matters what you say if you're completely socially restarted. I could literally say some of the most random or dumbest things to girls who are really attracted to me and they keep the conversation going or laugh like it was funny and it obviously wasn't. Vice versa with girls who aren't really interested in me. No matter how much I tried, it wasn't going anywhere

wtf is 'socially restarted'?

Yeah, that's been my experience as well. Once woman is very attracted to you, its all over. I'm not talking about a guy she finds cute, but a guy she finds OMG he's so hot. She won't be able to stop it and it will occupy her mind to such a high degree that it will amaze you. I think this is b/c its so rare that a woman finds a guy that attractive. She will dream about the guy, fantasize about the guy, her heart will pound when he's around, she won't be able to think straight. You could say virtually anything and you can do no wrong. This doesn't last forever though, b/c eventually after dating for awhile if you not couple oriented she will get fed up and break up with you.

this is such bullsh!t. you're right in the first part, you will have prime time real estate in her mind if she finds you attractive.

but, you have to KEEP THAT GOING..attraction is not a self serving entity. you must feed the beast, and therefore, content matters.

if you don't do this, it will eventually fade out of the mind, without ever moving into the heart. that's where the prime destination really is to get someone on lockdown.