More bad press for the industry

[sloop]

Stories like this really make me like the handful of companies I buy from even MORE because they're never involved in sketchy crap like this.

[TMac26]

No offense, but this is probably the stupid thing I've read all week.

I'll take a higher price tag over risking my health any day. I'm sure most would agree.

I'm sure those high priced pharmaceuticals I see people having adverse effects to on a daily basis are a shining example

[xLGx]

Stories like this really make me like the handful of companies I buy from even MORE because they're never involved in sketchy crap like this.

inb4 Appnut conspiracy

[mcord11758]

I'm sure those high priced pharmaceuticals I see people having adverse effects to on a daily basis are a shining example

My wife and I always get a chuckle hearing the terrible side effects of some random drug used to clear acne or give grandpa a tent.

This will help you be more regular but may cause pyschitic episodes and lead to bleeding from your eye balls

[HeavenBeyond]

And every single supplement company out there would disagree with you.

Regulation doesn't necessarily mean the price of a product will increase.

[TMac26]

Regulation doesn't necessarily mean the price of a product will increase.

Why so think pharmacetuticals cost 15-20 bucks a pill?

Regulation and hoops companies have to jump through to bring it to the market.


I don't think you have any idea how the drug industry works here in the states

[Hawks58]

And every single supplement company out there would disagree with you.

Supplement companies should already be following established regulations...therefore how would this increase price?


And poison...I lold

[HeavenBeyond]

I'm sure those high priced pharmaceuticals I see people having adverse effects to on a daily basis are a shining example

Even with regulation, one could only hope to see improvements. Obviously, some companies will always try to walk a fine line between what is ethical and what is not.

[Hawks58]

Why so think pharmacetuticals cost 15-20 bucks a pill?

Regulation and hoops companies have to jump through to bring it to the market.


I don't think you have any idea how the drug industry works here in the states

And I thought it was supply/demand and patents preventing other companies from making it? Let's be serious it is not regulations that drive up the cost of meds, it's greed.

[TMac26]

Even with regulation, one could only hope to see improvements. Obviously, some companies will always try to walk a fine line between what is ethical and what is not.

You missed my point completely.

Even with tight regulation there are adverse effects, some life threatening.

Regulation does not mean safe, it just means more red tape.

[JDomin0]

My wife and I always get a chuckle hearing the terrible side effects of some random drug used to clear acne or give grandpa a tent.

This will help you be more regular but may cause pyschitic episodes and lead to bleeding from your eye balls

Haha I always laugh at those commercials too. It's like take this to combat that, but then this, this and this might happen as a side effect rofl.

[demonwareltd]

Supplement companies should already be following established regulations...therefore how would this increase price?


And poison...I lold

They are following established regulations. They put on the label the little blurb about not being approved by the FDA to treat any blah, blah, blah.

There is no regulation. I can start my own supplement company tomorrow with raw ingredients untested and it's completely legal

[TMac26]

And I thought it was supply/demand and patents preventing other companies from making it? Let's be serious it is not regulations that drive up the cost of meds, it's greed.

Viagra is 20 bucks a pill.


Is that because of a patent? Or the millions that went into studies to show the FDA it as ok to bring to the market?

[NEBinAK]

An curious the companies using this, anyone figured out a list yet

[Hawks58]

Viagra is 20 bucks a pill.


Is that because of a patent? Or the millions that went into studies to show the FDA it as ok to bring to the market?

I'd argue it's market share, name recognition, etc. Case in point, generic vs brand name drugs. Only need to look at the profits of big pharmacy to see they are having no problem making money while spending tons on research. Sure regulations will increase price, but not as drastically as some think or as much as companies claim.

[Hawks58]

They are following established regulations. They put on the label the little blurb about not being approved by the FDA to treat any blah, blah, blah.

There is no regulation. I can start my own supplement company tomorrow with raw ingredients untested and it's completely legal

. . . I don't even . . .

[demonwareltd]

. . . I don't even . . .

Understand how the supplement laws in the US work?

[Hawks58]

Understand how the supplement laws in the US work?

Yes you have no idea. How could the government enforce a regulation if it wasn't a regulation?

DMAA, craze, ph's, labeling procedures...little thing known as dshea? Just because, yes, you can buy raws from a Chinese company and resale does not mean there are not regulations.

[demonwareltd]

Yes you have no idea. How could the government enforce a regulation if it wasn't a regulation?

DMAA, craze, ph's, labeling procedures...little thing known as dshea? Just because, yes, you can buy raws from a Chinese company and resale does not mean there are not regulations.

Agree but the burden of proof lies on the government and not on the supplement company. What people are asking for is the reverse, having supplement companies proof their products are safe and effective. Currently they have to do neither and if they are forced to do so, prices will go up and profits will go down.

[demonwareltd]

And last I checked you could still buy craze and OG jacked as well as countless PHs in the US still.

[afi140]

And last I checked you could still buy craze and OG jacked as well as countless PHs in the US still.

True. I can still get my e for ec at a cheap price have to deal with stupid gaufenesin but short term use seems to be fine.

[potionmaster]

its obvious the industry is incapable of policing itself so i vote for FDA intervention

[HeavenBeyond]

You missed my point completely.

Even with tight regulation there are adverse effects, some life threatening.

Regulation does not mean safe, it just means more red tape.

No, I understood what you meant. I was just stating that even with regulation, it doesn't guarantee companies will obey the rules. I'm simply an advocate in hopes that it will clean up the industry, even if it is miniscule. At this point, something has to be better than nothing, right?

It seems like every time you sign into the forums there is a new thread about another company who has used an 'experimental' ingredient in their product. It's ridiculous.

[manicrunner]

its obvious the industry is incapable of policing itself so i vote for FDA intervention

i agree

[Ninjathoskinny]

discussing this behind a computer on the internetz on employers time or in between sets at gym on your iphone will undoubtedly bring about sweeping changes, rainbows, puppies, ponies, and kittens, sweet gainz, and world peace.

[kissdadookie]

Why so think pharmacetuticals cost 15-20 bucks a pill?

Regulation and hoops companies have to jump through to bring it to the market.


I don't think you have any idea how the drug industry works here in the states

Yeah, especially when many of the same drugs costs a fraction of the price outside of the country AND are coming from the SAME manufacturers of the drugs

[neuron]

Nooooooo

Dexaprine is a staple to me mostly because of the acacia extract.

Don't be fooled. Acacia is a red herring.

[fellfromthesun]

Don't be fooled. Acacia is a red herring.

I should have said PEA instead. But still, its effects are great. The mood enhancement makes the gym sessions much more enjoyable.

However, I'll be following this closely. I don't have an habit, I've already cycled it for long periods. If somebody proves it can be harmful in the long run, I'll just move on.

[Valhallabound86]

There is no regulation. I can start my own supplement company tomorrow with raw ingredients untested and it's completely legal

Lol. As is evident by the FDA warning letters/raids.

[demonwareltd]

Lol. As is evident by the FDA warning letters/raids.

Right - but notice this didn't happen until AFTER their was suspicion of harmful products. How long did Craze fly under the radar? How many millions did it make?