PES Enhanced and ingredient Aegeline

[JayLS1-327]

Would you want to be associated with any of this when in reality he has NOTHING to do with it? He has been with PES since after Enhanced was released, and like the other reps was assuredly told that PES=\=USP.

Edit: On top of that, Coop is one of the most honest and trustworthy guys out there. Claiming he has done ANYTHING besides distance himself from drama that he has absolutely no true association with is nonsense.

Yeah and pinch was on of the best "bros" here.

[Smoker145]

Of course coop knew. But that doesn't change anything. He was clearly not suppose to say they were affiliated, which is why he denied it.

Just accept the fact they're affiliated and move on. Continue to buy pes or don't. It's that simple.

Jeez I sound like spaz

[Dewey99]

Would you want to be associated with any of this when in reality he has NOTHING to do with it? He has been with PES since after Enhanced was released, and like the other reps was assuredly told that PES=\=USP.

Edit: On top of that, Coop is one of the most honest and trustworthy guys out there. Claiming he has done ANYTHING besides distance himself from drama that he has absolutely no true association with is nonsense.

I have to agree with Vaughn here. Coop is a stand up guy and I find it hard to believe that he has played any part in intentionally deceiving anybody. He doesn't work at PES HQ and he doesn't have any ownership interest, so it's quite possible that he may have been just as in the dark about all of this as the rest of us. Even if he was aware of an association, it's quite possible that he had to sign a non-disclosure agreement that forbid him from talking about it. This assumes that there is even anything here. It isn't really fair to try PES and their reps (all good guys IMO) in the court of public opinion.

The reps' hands are tied here and there only choice is to remain silent or disassociate themselves from PES. I don't blame them for taking either course of action.

[TommyTuffGuy]

I was one of the biggest skeptics on other forums of USP Labs on years ago..and Jacob took me to the task and allowed me to run logs on almost all of his products free of charge.

I was honest and granted..literally none of them did anything for me aside from the OG Jacked that was spelled without the 3 in it. I admired his willingness to put his money where his mouth was. I still have a hard time wanting to try any of the newer USP products these days though. I enjoyed PES erase, alpha mine and a few others...I saw nothing from Enhanced which I found very odd. Then again Craze only dehydrated me so much I actually made a thread about how something was off with that supplement compared to every other one I've tried.and I have tired almost all of them.

I've always liked coop and helped me out with a lot of questions and information I was ignorant to. All I've got for the spice this morning.

[Smoker145]

I have to agree with Vaughn here. Coop is a stand up guy and I find it hard to believe that he has played any part in intentionally deceiving anybody. He doesn't work at PES HQ and he doesn't have any ownership interest, so it's quite possible that he may have been just as in the dark about all of this as the rest of us. This assumes that there is even anything here. It isn't really fair to try PES and their reps (all good guys IMO) in the court of public opinion.

The reps' hands are tied here and there only choice is to remain silent or disassociate themselves from PES. I don't blame them for taking either course of action.

He knew but it doesn't matter. I don't know why everyone feels betrayed by coop lol it's comical. He gave great advice and was very knowledgable. End of story for him, as far as everyone should be concerned.

I was saying they were sister companies long ago, and even you told me I was wrong. But it doesn't matter. Buy or don't buy, that's it

[Dewey99]

He knew but it doesn't matter. I don't know why everyone feels betrayed by coop lol it's comical. He gave great advice and was very knowledgable. End of story for him, as far as everyone should be concerned.

I was saying they were sister companies long ago, and even you told me I was wrong. But it doesn't matter. Buy or don't buy, that's it

I agree that most of it doesn't matter. PES isn't the devil and their products don't all of a sudden suck if it turns out they are tied to USP. Most of their lineup was good last week and it will still be good next week. If people choose to boycott them, then that is their right.

[mrodz]

At the very least, he's a bright guy with a bright future to protect. Whether aegeline recall or something else, I'd do the same, if that's even what the issue is.

My uncle was a CSO for a big pharma co with similar issues. He lost a lot of credibility even though he had nothing to do with the issues.

[Hawks58]

You choose to be a rep, you need to be able to withstand the good and bad. Then again reps are a dime a dozen around here and switch companies like 2 cent whores. Time and time again "good bros" are caught up in something on this forum.

[Hawks58]

I agree that most of it doesn't matter. PES isn't the devil and their products don't all of a sudden suck if it turns out they are tied to USP. Most of their lineup was good last week and it will still be good next week. If people choose to boycott them, then that is their right.

So you would support a company that has lied to consumers for years? And is owned by a company with a track record of issues.

[TheGilmore]

So you would support a company that has lied to consumers for years? And is owned by a company with a track record of issues.

You've got to pick your battles here, or else you'll end up supporting no one and have no real use here (okay, the last one is already true, but whatever). USP recalled the product. There is no current evidence that they willingly and knowingly put something in their product that caused liver damage. There's currently no evidence released that PES is even linked to them. It's speculation. And even if they are, what does that matter? The worst thing PES MAY have done is lie about association with USP. OH NOES. Even if that IS the case, that doesn't mean the reps knew.

There are a lot of things being thrown around as fact with zero hard evidence presented, and a lot of over-reactions/exaggerated implications if the rumor is indeed true.

[RVAPump]

You choose to be a rep, you need to be able to withstand the good and bad. Then again reps are a dime a dozen around here and switch companies like 2 cent whores. Time and time again "good bros" are caught up in something on this forum.

the good ones aren't...and if you were able to quantify all the time and effort Cooper put in over the last few years helping out faceless strangers on an Internet forum with in depth, thoughtful posts with no expectation of anything in return, then I think you'd say he certainly isn't in the dime a dozen crowd, in fact he's probably the best poster on this forum by a considerable margin

the fact that people in this thread feel the need to take his forum affiliation down to a personal and real life level with ******** stalking and whatever else is pathetic

[Smoker145]

You've got to pick your battles here, or else you'll end up supporting no one and have no real use here (okay, the last one is already true, but whatever). USP recalled the product. There is no current evidence that they willingly and knowingly put something in their product that caused liver damage. There's currently no evidence released that PES is even linked to them. It's speculation. And even if they are, what does that matter? The worst thing PES MAY have done is lie about association with USP. OH NOES. Even if that IS the case, that doesn't mean the reps knew.

There are a lot of things being thrown around as fact with zero hard evidence presented, and a lot of over-reactions/exaggerated implications if the rumor is indeed true.

I think some of you need to stop acting like defense lawyers in a investigation lol

Some of you are taking this way too seriously. Either buy, or don't buy. Blow your runny nose, and calm down. No more tears..... Just dreams

[chicago1963]

So you would support a company that has lied to consumers for years? And is owned by a company with a track record of issues.

Agreed.

[Dewey99]

You've got to pick your battles here, or else you'll end up supporting no one and have no real use here (okay, the last one is already true, but whatever). USP recalled the product. There is no current evidence that they willingly and knowingly put something in their product that caused liver damage. There's currently no evidence released that PES is even linked to them. It's speculation. And even if they are, what does that matter? The worst thing PES MAY have done is lie about association with USP. OH NOES. Even if that IS the case, that doesn't mean the reps knew.

There are a lot of things being thrown around as fact with zero hard evidence presented, and a lot of over-reactions/exaggerated implications if the rumor is indeed true.

I agree. As far as the possible PES/USP affiliation, it's not like it is blatant. If it was, someone here would be able to show proof that they indeed are tied together. I'm not saying they aren't, but it is separated enough that reps wouldn't know.

As far as me supporting a company that has lied about something, I can't say that this issue would at all be a deal breaker.

[DiabeticLifter]

I love how people who have no fukking clue about anything are always the loudest

No room for logic here

[jrv1932]

I have to agree with Vaughn here. Coop is a stand up guy and I find it hard to believe that he has played any part in intentionally deceiving anybody. He doesn't work at PES HQ and he doesn't have any ownership interest, so it's quite possible that he may have been just as in the dark about all of this as the rest of us. Even if he was aware of an association, it's quite possible that he had to sign a non-disclosure agreement that forbid him from talking about it. This assumes that there is even anything here. It isn't really fair to try PES and their reps (all good guys IMO) in the court of public opinion.

The reps' hands are tied here and there only choice is to remain silent or disassociate themselves from PES. I don't blame them for taking either course of action.

This is not coops fault obviously. I think pes is somehow affiliated with usp now for sure and the fact that they felt the need to lie about it looks really bad but as far as coop he hasn't even been with pes that long. Since he's been there he's had a big hand in formulating new products. The fact thAt he's silenced, as said is likely due to agreements with pes, you think he wants to get sued? Coop has a bright future whether at pes or any other company. I'd take his advice over most, that's for sure. As far as pes if they're affiliated it doesn't look good that they lied but in no way means they're a bad company. And the issue of the aegaline, does anyone really believe they intentionally put a harmful product in a supp? Nobody even knows if the product is harmful first of all. So far everything looks precautionary. As far as I know there have been no known issues with any illness from use of Enhanced.

[TMac26]

I think some of you need to stop acting like defense lawyers in a investigation lol

Some of you are taking this way too seriously. Either buy, or don't buy. Blow your runny nose, and calm down. No more tears..... Just dreams

Why do you only post when it regards controversy with a company?

The only time I see you post is regards to stirring the pot.

[kissdadookie]

the good ones aren't...and if you were able to quantify all the time and effort Cooper put in over the last few years helping out faceless strangers on an Internet forum with in depth, thoughtful posts with no expectation of anything in return, then I think you'd say he certainly isn't in the dime a dozen crowd, in fact he's probably the best poster on this forum by a considerable margin

the fact that people in this thread feel the need to take his forum affiliation down to a personal and real life level with ******** stalking and whatever else is pathetic

Considering what has happened to a few notable forum/online gurus lately, can't really blame Coop if he wished to preemptively scrub his online alias just in case a Scooby happens to him.

[Smoker145]

Why do you only post when it regards controversy with a company?

The only time I see you post is regards to stirring the pot.

Bc I don't see a point to posting in the daily best creatine threads. There's no pot stirring from me today, all I'm saying is ppl should feel hurt by this as many have known this for awhile, and feeling hurt by coop deceiving ppl is stupid

[stan47islav]

What about coops outside life? Isn't he a doctor of some sort and controversy like this might hurt his credibility there. So that's another valid reason to disappear.

[Smoker145]

What about coops outside life? Isn't he a doctor of some sort and controversy like this might hurt his credibility there. So that's another valid reason to disappear.

There's nothing for him to say on the matter, especially if he's still with the company. As for it hurting his outside life, I can't see how it would. By saying pes is not affiliated with usp negates all the knowledge he has shared and the help he has given others?

[xavengedx23]

What about coops outside life? Isn't he a doctor of some sort and controversy like this might hurt his credibility there. So that's another valid reason to disappear.

He's in med school if I am not mistaken

[shotputted]

I don't honestly think that some involvement on internet bodybuilding forums under the screenname mrcooper69 for a company that may need to recall a product would make its way into his professional life unless he wanted it to. Unless he is on FDA recall or court documents he will be fine lol.

I don't care about usp/pes affiliation beyond the fact that usp has to recall product that allegedly caused death and if it was due to contamination, it could hypothetically trickle over to pes if they are affiliated. Hell maybe it was the aegeline that was contaminated with something else that caused the issues and that would make enhanced suspect if they use the same source. I have used enhanced and want info regarding the safety if the product. This is important to me, and silence is really crappy here. Not meaning the reps or anything necessarily but the company itself. usp at least recalled their product and made public statements regarding the issue. The company owes consumers a little info here because we are taking about people's health.

[stan47islav]

I guess it just depends on how involved he is and how malicious the media wants to be if they ever write another story against supplements.

The media did mange to find Cahills user name in their article.

[jrv1932]

He's in med school if I am not mistaken

I believe this is correct

[redbirdfan1]

since when did BB.com become like a hair salon with gossip and drama...oh wait...nevermind!

[LoudyRowdy]

I'm not worried abt Coop.


More concerned abt the well being of H'Goat. Must be hiding in mom's basement. Can anyone stop by and check on him?

[RVAPump]

Considering what has happened to a few notable forum/online gurus lately, can't really blame Coop if he wished to preemptively scrub his online alias just in case a Scooby happens to him.

^^^

What about coops outside life? Isn't he a doctor of some sort and controversy like this might hurt his credibility there. So that's another valid reason to disappear.

some people who have posted ITT fancy themselves as some kind of industry insider or truth teller or shedder of light when they're really a nobody, and unfortunately those are the types of people who blur the lines between someone's online forum activity and their personal lives, friends, family, etc.

there are LOTS of people on both sides of issues like Craze and what not who know each other through social media like ********, and though they may strongly disagree on one thing or another, the amount of real life bullsh*t or harassment has been minimal...nobody blowing up PTB's wall with sh*t about Craze and trying to embarrass him in front of his real life friends or family (just using him as an example of someone who's come under fire on this board recently, not to start something or cast blame), and that's how it should be

this is an INTERNET FORUM, and people's private lives should remain private, especially when the drama they're drawn into is speculative at best...it's just unfortunate that certain people think they or their opinions matter, and that they're some kind of justice vigilante when again, they're nobody...and those are the people who seem hellbent on fukking with people's personal lives

[ScivationLead]

[RVAPump]

yup, been guilty of doing that in the past, hence the comment...people's private lives should be private