Hey guys!
Just wanted to open a little discussion about milk in a gym diet. I heard some people say "you should take it, its good for you" where as others say "cut it out don't take it at all for your gym diet"
What are your views on this?
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Thread: Milk - your views?
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10-25-2013, 02:35 AM #1
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10-25-2013, 05:32 AM #2
I agree with the person above completely. Everyone has different reasons for skipping regular milk whether it be the chemicals added, the way it's processed, calorie/fat content etc. I drink unsweetened almond milk in place of cow's milk mostly due to the tummy issues I get after consuming dairy.
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10-25-2013, 10:00 AM #3
Casein and whey protein are made from milk. A diet rich in dairy products has been shown to decrease abdominal fat.
Other than that, do what you want, you don't HAVE to drink milk just like you don't HAVE to do anything. It's your choice.Follow my 2018 competition prep here:
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10-25-2013, 01:12 PM #4
the bit about calcium is BS, and milk of any type doesn't contain much vitamin C in the first place. that is, milk isn't the main source of a person's vit C intake anyway (it contains plenty other vitamins, though). worrying about a single vitamin that you can acquire plenty of elsewhere is a bit pointless.
it's a bit simplistic to glorify raw milk over pasteurised milk. especially if its kept for longer, raw milk can be a significant source of pathogens (the bacteria pasteurisation destroys) and and cause outbreaks.
there's no need to fearmonger the evils of pasteurisation. you could as well argue that people shouldn't cook any of the food they eat because heating will reduce the nutrient content.
if you're concerned about hormones and animal welfare, buy organic milk.
if you can't tolerate dairy products, and/or don't want to consume them, don't consume them.Last edited by Miranda; 10-25-2013 at 04:20 PM.
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10-25-2013, 01:49 PM #5
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10-25-2013, 01:53 PM #6
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10-25-2013, 02:08 PM #7
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10-25-2013, 03:36 PM #8
Milk and other dairy products like protein powders, Greek yogurt, and cheese are my favorite ways to help meet my protein goals. So yes, I do drink it. My view is that if you like it and don't have intolerances to it, go for it. If you don't like it or are lactose intolerant, don't drink it.
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10-25-2013, 03:42 PM #9
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10-25-2013, 05:59 PM #10
There's a lot of debate about it and I've been trying to educate myself as well.
I use to drink a lot of milk - several cups of Whole Organic milk. I've cut back for personal issues related to Cystic Fibrosis (thick mucus) just to see if it will help, so far so good.
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10-26-2013, 03:02 PM #11
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10-27-2013, 12:24 PM #12
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10-27-2013, 03:08 PM #13
Lol, you can Google that and it comes up over and over; so, definitely not original thought. Not that everyone has to post original thoughts but it's funny when people make other people's stuff seem like their own.
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http://thedolcedietlivinglean.com/wh...y-in-your-milk
http://www.healthfaithlove.com/1/category/all/4.html
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10-27-2013, 04:22 PM #14
lol if people posted 'original thought' on these boards we'd all be weed-smoking hippies
as for the 'original' original thoughts, a lot of the anti-pasteurisation claims are exaggerated fearmongering, or plain BS. no-one's claiming pasteurisation does not lead to a slightly lower vitamin content in milk, but it doesn't 'destroy' or 'nuke' it, or render pasteurised milk nutritionally void.
people who refer to 'denaturing' proteins (lulz) or 'massive' losses of vitamin C (double lulz) or pasteurised milk as a possible cause for rickets (triple lulz) single out pasteurisation as a unique evil while disregarding that nutrient losses and changes in structures will occur whenever you heat food to cook it.
oh yeah, humans are the only species (!!!) that heats its food . . . perhaps that's the reason for our miserable demise
the train of thought implies that a single food should be the main nutritional source for a single vitamin (or else!!) is a bit naive. most whole (and many 'processed') foods will contain varying levels of vitamins and minerals, whilst some famously contain large amounts of X compared to others. so what? an overall balanced and varied diet is a much better insurance for adequate vitamin intake across the board as opposed to singularly staring at so-called 'superfoods'.
there's nothing terribly wrong with raw milk imo. i don't see what's so great about it, either. other than the self-inflated righteousness that comes with doing 'the right thing' of course. if you have an ideological bent against consuming pasteurised milk and are willing to take the contamination risk/shorter shelf life and increased cost that comes with it, good for you. i mean, who cares?
i do scratch my eyeballs though when an ideological bent crosses the line into black-and-white nutjob/conspiracy territory. there's no need to distort facts to demonise a common dietary staple to dig deeper into your own dearly held beliefs."The human race is still largely a group of monkeys with slightly better grooming habits. Give them a microscope and and they'll examine their own ****, give them a telescope and they'll go looking for tits."
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10-28-2013, 03:58 AM #15
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10-28-2013, 06:56 AM #18
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I drank a gallon of whole milk every three days throughout grade school and high school....I haven't keeled over in agonizing pain from a bacterial infection....
And the reason they give cows antibiotics is because they have been given growth hormone to produce about 10x the milk they naturally would that the excessive milking causes sores on their treets and udders. That's how the puss and antibiotics get into the milk.
If I could afford the liquid calories if drink milk every day. Can't wait to eat to grow againLast edited by megdaig; 10-28-2013 at 07:03 AM.
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10-28-2013, 09:21 AM #19
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People drink cow milk every day of their life and live perfectly long healthy lives.
However, that being said, I still do not drink it. I drink unsweetened almond milk. It is higher in calcium, a third of the calories per serving, it does not contain the hormones that cow milk has, and honestly? I think it tastes better. Yes, it does taste different than cow milk, but drink it for a month and you will be so used to it that cow milk will all taste sour to you and you will not even like it.
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10-28-2013, 09:53 AM #20
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10-28-2013, 12:58 PM #21
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Milk is awesome and I always look forward to bulking time so I can eat a crapton of full-fat dairy. Greek yogurt, cheese on errrything.
I know we're talking about cows, but the grocery store had whole goat milk on sale for next to free the other day so I was like, let's try this. Amaze. Never had it before, might become a staple.Someone once told me the definition of hell- Your last day on earth, the person you become meets the person you could have become.
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10-28-2013, 03:21 PM #22
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Dairy I eat as much as possible: skim milk, fat-free greek yogurt, part-skim cheese, cottage cheese
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10-29-2013, 04:10 AM #23
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10-29-2013, 05:09 AM #24
I love milk and all dairy. I used to live next to an organic raw dairy farm in Arizona and would go through a few gallons of that per week. Even pasteurized milk tastes great to me and makes me feel great. It coats my stomach when eating spices or coffee that can tear it up. I thrive on it, it's probably half the reason why I am so fat (indulgence) so I have to watch my intake now that I am dieting.
I know a lot of people that *do not* do well. In a human anatomy and physiology class I took, it appeared that some 70+% of adults in the world are lactose intolerant. Here's an article that says 75%: (oh I can't post links, pcrm site, article title:'Understanding Lactose Intolerance') That means your body does not produce lactase, the enzyme that digests milk sugar (lactose) into a useable form for your body. The lactose goes into your gut where bacteria feed on it and bloom causing painful gas etc.
If milk did that to me, I don't think I would like it nearly so much. Those lactaid tablets work, they are just lactase in a capsule. It might get tedious having to take them all the time. You can still enjoy yogurt or cheese since those products are cultured and contain little to no lactose.
I never drink skim milk. It is whole or nothing for me (and I grew up being served nonfat milk). I feel like skimmed milk or nonfat or 1% is a gimmick... it is not a health food. The company wants to make their profit twice -- all the good stuff is taken out and being sold as butter and ice cream and you are paying a high price for thin, crappy leftovers. Nonfat milk should be half the price of whole milk or less.
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10-29-2013, 03:22 PM #25
there's a difference between lactose intolerance, and lactose maldigestion, and milk allergies. that is, you can be lactose tolerant/maldigester, lactose intolerant/maldigester, or lactose tolerant across the board. (milk allergy is a different beast altogether.)
afaik, the prevalence of lactose intolerance worldwide is ~65%. lactase persistence is a genetic trait that varies across ethnicities (it's more common in northern europe, and parts of africa). geographically speaking, persistence has migrated out of europe, but since there's little mixing between ethnic groups worldwide, its spread across ethnicities is limited.
people who self-diagnose as lactose intolerant may actually be lactose tolerant maldigesters and contribute to the higher 75% figure. maldigesters who are lactose tolerant don't need to avoid milk or dairy products.
levels of self-reported 'milk intolerance' can be a lot higher than the actual prevalence. one factor that can increase self-reporting of 'intolerance' of any kind in the general population are fad diets that prohibit certain food groups (dairy, grains etc.). see a diet become popular and watch the numbers skyrocket. contrast that to something less trendy, like tree nut or shellfish allergy. you don't hear much about that.
If milk did that to me, I don't think I would like it nearly so much."The human race is still largely a group of monkeys with slightly better grooming habits. Give them a microscope and and they'll examine their own ****, give them a telescope and they'll go looking for tits."
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10-29-2013, 03:36 PM #26
I'm not sure if it was all directed toward me or not, but I didn't mention milk allergies. I know many people who are lactose intolerant... which I see as no different than 'maldigestion' unless you're talking varying degrees of gas or the runs? They drink milk and have painful and/or embarrassing symptoms. Whereas someone like me can sit down and drink a whole gallon and feel wonderful (if a bit full ^_^)... but for the many many unfortunate people there is lactaid.
And yes, I really hate that milk is demonized in some health circles. It is a nutrient dense food and most especially good for children, the malnourished and people needing to gain weight.
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10-29-2013, 03:44 PM #27
oh it wasn't directed 'at' you per se - it was just to point the possible fibs in the '75%' prevalence with added blab on milk allergy. determining actual levels of lactose intolerance when there's a lot more to it (some of it cultural/self-perceived) can be hard.
i see you on intolerance though. my dad was lactose intolerant, but i'm not (i might be a slight maldigester though). i don't see why i should demonise milk out of compassion for his troubles, or my rare burps with milk."The human race is still largely a group of monkeys with slightly better grooming habits. Give them a microscope and and they'll examine their own ****, give them a telescope and they'll go looking for tits."
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10-29-2013, 03:53 PM #28
I would have posted a link for you, but my post count isn't high enough. The 75% is actually a conservative worldwide estimate. Some 93+% of Asian adults are truly lactose intolerant, in the upper 80% for native American/indigenous peoples of the Americas, 70 to 90% of Africans and those of mainly African descent, Mediterranean and Semitic peoples 60 to 80%... only Caucasian people as a rule have a relatively low percentile of lactose intolerance (in the 20s). So, if you do the math you will quickly see, that the worldwide figure in the 70s makes sense.
I was a biology major and been obsessed with all things dairy since I was a kid, but I double checked my information on a few different sites. I'm not sure how many posts I need to be able to link.
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10-29-2013, 03:55 PM #29
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10-29-2013, 04:11 PM #30
depends on how you put your numbers together, and how you define 'asians' for example. as in 'asians' living across the continent do not constitute a single ethnicity; not a dig, just pointing it out.
here's one article on lactase persistence."The human race is still largely a group of monkeys with slightly better grooming habits. Give them a microscope and and they'll examine their own ****, give them a telescope and they'll go looking for tits."
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