The case FOR Natural Bodybuilding!!!! Come the fuk at me miscrealtalker

[Phoenix9369]

How about juicing to this 6" 200lbs 10% bf natural limit you speak of in order to get there in 1-2 years instead of 10 then enjoy that body and never shrink. what about THAT op. huh

It's not that easy. Attainable and doable. But not that easy.

[RBS30T]

According to your calculator, i am at 25.82 which is apparently almost not achievable natty.

And yes i did get to this point natty. After im finished my cut, wat do then?

[LASound]

All I hear in this thread is *******s making excuses and people who've worked hard putting them in their place.

Damn son, listen to the 6'5", 231lb bro who posted pictures...OP looks great, too. Who do you think has more knowledge, them or the lazy peanuts claiming it can't be done.

My goal is 185lbs at 8-10%...Can be achieved natty and it's all about the journey.

[RaaX]

this is true to an extent. if you have low text, high estrogen, lots of stress ect, you're gonna have a hard time.

yes doctors give out a lot of T, if you're low, older, ect. but it's a dosage similar to what you would have naturally. not 4X the amount like many are on.. just replacing enough to put you at say, 800 ng/dl will only place you on par with a person who has that naturally.



all you said was the sides can be avoided. ok, fair enough...

"nattys stay back" in what sense? are you going to complete for a living? if so you NEED to tech. but how are you being help back in ANY way?

LOL..be mad about my "out of proportion physique" I"m anxiously awaiting your critique of my feeeziiiikkkk

When your friends around you go ahead of you and then get sponsors while that person has low test levels or just at average test levels then what's the point in natty lifting at all.

[MaximosJ]

if you have low text, high estrogen, lots of stress ect, you're gonna have a hard time.

Fuaaarrrk, you just described me. dem feels of disappointment.

[Rusty82]

Its hard man, the learning process can become stressful at times, painful as well as very upsetting especially for those whose results falter and don't have the necessary diet or genetics (both even) , its something i've never wanted to have so bad but am so far from achieving (seriously i've never wanted to achieve anything as badly as I do of having an awesome physique), I get the whole idea of giving it your all first putting 5-10+ years before ever considering putting stuff in your body that to be honest is harmful there's no way around it saying that chit is safe (that seems like the only solution to achieve your goal at times when you get depressed at crappy results at times)

I give it hell every session yet am lightyears away of what I want, I tell myself to give it more time that this is just building a great foundation but after 2 years and half almost and my results it angers me abit that I'm still lightyears away from what I want-- in a year i'll be a in better stage is what I tell myself but truth is years are going to start accumulating and before I know it I may still be where I began, its tough as a natty especially when you arent blessed with the best of genes (not that its any excuse) but give it time is sometimes just not enough motivation

yeah man I feel ya. I lifted for 2 years when I was your age. quit at 19 i was so discouraged. lifted my little fkn heart out, and you would have NEVER known it.

i was dumb though. my diet was awful. too low in cals, not enough protein, bad everything. my split was as bro as bro can be. brb everyday is chest day.

leg day consisted of leg extensions and bodyweight lunges LOL

and yes, genetics play 2 large roles;

1. inserts and structure.
2. natty test levels

you need to figure out what is the plan of action for YOU. I was so skinny I looked sickly. so i had to do one thing. if you're higher in BF, maybe you need to read about some recomps and eating right around maintenance. check out bobbyD's training logs and his early threads, look where he started and what he was able to go NATURALLY

Yay for natties!!

fuk yea

So what would you guys say to some one who is newer to this tryimg to figure it all out (diet and training)
That thinks it would speed up results and obviously being young wants it right now instead of being patient...

Also once your diet was dialed compare those resilts to say b4 that and a guy who uses and still dosent have it all dialed...

Just curious from you experienced guys

aww man, before my diet was right, you wouldn't even know I have ever seen the inside of a gym. srs. night and day.

same with a good split that works for you.

as far as taking easy street, there are a few things, one being if you can't build any muscle without drugs, drugs will not help you much. seen it over and over, guys with NO base ride a bike, gain some weight fast, and boom lose it all bcuz they still don't know how to eat and train.

and you don't get to keep it. you will return to your natty limit, and what your natty test levels allow eventually. sooner than later if you don't know what you're doing.

[Evac33]

ok but YOLO]

No just kidding, what you're talking about is mostly "ABUSE", MUCH less harm as with in moderation


Compare it to drinking, 1 -2 beers a day is stress relief that is probably easing your mind and helping you unwind and sleep easier at night being more relaxed - creating a net positive influence

and 12-15.... well now you're putting a strain on your organs

[Tough92]

So OP the pic of lye McDonald muscle graph basically derails your thread showing,natty lifting is next to useless if you Wanan look better then avg

[Rusty82]

When your friends around you go ahead of you and then get sponsors while that person has low test levels or just at average test levels then what's the point in natty lifting at all.

umm..ok? bcuz gear = an endorsement with bb.com and ON and BSN and Cell-tech? riiiigghhhhtttttt keep dreaming. what color is the sky on your planet?

Fuaaarrrk, you just described me. dem feels of disappointment.

sorry

ok but YOLO]

no just kidding, what you're talking about is mostly "ABUSE", MUCH less harm with moderation

i never mentioned abuse of gear at all. if that's what you wanna do, great, just stay safe. this is about ppl who thing natty bb is a massive joke and waste of time, it isn't, at all.

So OP the pic of lye McDonald muscle graph basically derails your thread showing,natty lifting is next to useless if you Wanan look better then avg

45 pounds of muscle in 4 years is useless?



45 pounds on your frame is still average?



really?

[ZombieEater]

I won't touch roids until I'm 40+ and my dink stops working. Then I'll run my TRT with higher doses in there. Not trying to mess with hormones at my age. Fuk all that

[89flip]

My only beef with steroids is that unlike natty bodybuilding a lot of times it doesn't teach you the lessons that bodybuilding teaches you outside the gym. Many times it fails to build that character of patience, dedication, hard work, earning everything on your own type of person bc in life unlike bodybuilding u can't cheat your way out.

[Rusty82]

My only beef with steroids is that unlike natty bodybuilding a lot of times it doesn't teach you the lessons that bodybuilding teaches you outside the gym. Many times it fails to build that character of patience, dedication, hard work, earning everything on your own type of person bc in life unlike bodybuilding u can't cheat your way out.

yeah i feel ya.

I'm not sure i would call it cheating per se. I mean I just saw generation iron, all on tech obviously, all work INSANELY hard. no easy way out at all.

but I think a lot of ppl here for one reason or another are very down on themselves and think they can never get anywhere without help. and then with other miscers who are either not-natty making fun of them for being natty still, or not-natty but claim natty confusing them, it just makes it a bad environment for a new lifter trying to learn what's what in the world of bodybuilding.

[Tough92]

umm..ok? bcuz gear = an endorsement with bb.com and ON and BSN and Cell-tech? riiiigghhhhtttttt keep dreaming. what color is the sky on your planet?



sorry



i never mentioned abuse of gear at all. if that's what you wanna do, great, just stay safe. this is about ppl who thing natty bb is a massive joke and waste of time, it isn't, at all.




45 pounds of muscle in 4 years is useless?



45 pounds on your frame is still average?



really?

Lol do you really think anyone takes advange of that!?!?!!?!?By the time they figured that out all there noob gains are GONE,And what about if there trying to get shreded or lose fat?No one bulks for 4 yrs straight without cutting,eventually they will cut and lose some muscle esp if there competing or looking to get around 6% bf


OP wats wrong with you?

[Rusty82]

Lol do you really think anyone takes advange of that!?!?!!?!?By the time they figured that out all there noob gains are GONE,And what about if there trying to get shreded or lose fat?No one bulks for 4 yrs straight without cutting,eventually they will cut and lose some muscle esp if there competing or looking to get around 6% bf


OP wats your with you?

'noob gains' is not a time frame. it's not like your body knows a year from when you first picked up a weight to stop giving you as much gains LOL

some points are good, nobody buks for 4 years straight. but if your cardio is good, and your diet is good, you don't have to gain a lot of fat as a natural. not sure why ppl think you do.

no hate brah, but it doesn't really sound like you know what you're trying to say.

if they are trying to get shredded that's fine, you can lose weight and build muscle. bobbyD did it very well in like 200 days. went from fat to shredded. lost weight, built muscle. no drugs. don't see a problem really... it's very possible. you're basically saying it isn't. and it really discourages a lot of ppl from even trying hard bcuz they think it's just a hopeless dream.

[ruskism]

3 weeks out from a physique show, almost 5 years natty progress.

i'm on a team full of nattys but.. tbh, i'm not re-signing. anyone who knows me knows what team i'm a part of. i absolutely HATE the people who are SO natty that their lives revolve around hating on dudes that use. phuck that chit. absolutely dumb.

brb "How was your weekend brahs?!" "OMG LOL I SPENT THE WEEKEND WITH MY GRANDMA AND MY GIRLFRIENE DFJLKDSAJFLSKDJFLKDSJ"

sorry, i go out and party on occasion. i'd rather be on a team full of roid pushing sick kunts that have a social life than a team full of natty virgins.

just my two cents though.

[89flip]

yeah i feel ya.

I'm not sure i would call it cheating per se. I mean I just saw generation iron, all on tech obviously, all work INSANELY hard. no easy way out at all.

but I think a lot of ppl here for one reason or another are very down on themselves and think they can never get anywhere without help. and then with other miscers who are either not-natty making fun of them for being natty still, or not-natty but claim natty confusing them, it just makes it a bad environment for a new lifter trying to learn what's what in the world of bodybuilding.

Your rigth, "cheating" is a harsh word u still got to put in the work. I agree, it does give false expectations for people starting and might crush their motivation looking at their results.

[Rusty82]

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3 weeks out from a physique show, almost 5 years natty progress.

i'm on a team full of nattys but.. tbh, i'm not re-signing. anyone who knows me knows what team i'm a part of. i absolutely HATE the people who are SO natty that their lives revolve around hating on dudes that use. phuck that chit. absolutely dumb.

brb "How was your weekend brahs?!" "OMG LOL I SPENT THE WEEKEND WITH MY GRANDMA AND MY GIRLFRIENE DFJLKDSAJFLSKDJFLKDSJ"

sorry, i go out and party on occasion. i'd rather be on a team full of roid pushing sick kunts that have a social life than a team full of natty virgins.

just my two cents though.

thx for adding to thread and showing it is possible to be very impressive and natty.

[Rusty82]

Your rigth, "cheating" is a harsh word u still got to put in the work. I agree, it does give false expectations for people starting and might crush their motivation looking at their results.

exactly. with so many ppl saying natty bb'ing is a joke, and then using and saying they are natty, it's very crushing.

maybe a few will get some hope ITT

[Devils]

[ruskism]

thx for adding to thread and showing it is possible to be very impressive and natty.

it is what it is brah. i just phucking hate people who are so natty they absolutely refuse to accept that fact that SOMETIMES guys on gears are absolutely monsters and deserve the credit. same goes for juicers that hate on nattys tho.

i just want people to do what they want. enjoy your life.

[Rusty82]

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CLIFFS:
you can get an amazing feeeziiiikk with no help from drugs.


just look at this guy ^^^

[Cantlive4ever]

Rusty thanks for answering my question I appreciate your knowledge still trying to figure it out and you have motivated me to put in more effort...
Great thread by the way

[Rusty82]

it is what it is brah. i just phucking hate people who are so natty they absolutely refuse to accept that fact that SOMETIMES guys on gears are absolutely monsters and deserve the credit. same goes for juicers that hate on nattys tho.

i just want people to do what they want. enjoy your life.

yep, no reason to hate on a guy who took it to the limits. and no reason to hate on a guy who's progress is slower but natty.

[ruskism]

yep, no reason to hate on a guy who took it to the limits. and no reason to hate on a guy who's progress is slower but natty.

think we might be best friends brah. repping you, first rep in forever.

[Perthius]

if you wanna lift natty, lift natty, if you wanna tech, tech. Why not just let everyone do whatever the phuck they wanna do and not bish and moan about it?

[Rusty82]

Rusty thanks for answering my question I appreciate your knowledge still trying to figure it out and you have motivated me to put in more effort...
Great thread by the way

anytime man. hope it helped. you might not be there yet, but be proud of how far you've come already. and be persistent. that's the key to this sport.

[Ervin99]

I personally have nothing against ppl who ride bikes in fact i prolly will one day, But good thread Op shows that a great physique is attainable naturally. Good training and good nutrition is the key. Even ppl that ride bikes gotta put in a lot of work.

[Tough92]

'noob gains' is not a time frame. it's not like your body knows a year from when you first picked up a weight to stop giving you as much gains LOL

some points are good, nobody buks for 4 years straight. but if your cardio is good, and your diet is good, you don't have to gain a lot of fat as a natural. not sure why ppl think you do.

no hate brah, but it doesn't really sound like you know what you're trying to say.

if they are trying to get shredded that's fine, you can lose weight and build muscle. bobbyD did it very well in like 200 days. went from fat to shredded. lost weight, built muscle. no drugs. don't see a problem really... it's very possible. you're basically saying it isn't. and it really discourages a lot of ppl from even trying hard bcuz they think it's just a hopeless dream.

Bold part,Most people waste there noob gains meaning that first year were lye says u can gain 25 pounds of muscle or watever does not actually happen.Why?bc large Majoirity of ppl who first stat lifting either have no idea wat there doing,don't diet to there full potential,don't work out logically enuff,etc

And to a certain extent it is a hopelless dream guys like Zyzz/Jeff said are not huge in anyway but you will NEVER look like them natty,and say if your model judging by body only not face if your fighting to be on a magzine or sum your always get beat out by the guy on gear bc he be more harder,fuller,sherreded,bigger then u no matter what bc of juice,GH and diuretics


Excuse grammer on ipad

[fugd]

dat feel when u score average on the FFMI calc :/

[Rusty82]

think we might be best friends brah. repping you, first rep in forever.

thx brah will get you on RC tomorrow!

if you wanna lift natty, lift natty, if you wanna tech, tech. Why not just let everyone do whatever the phuck they wanna do and not bish and moan about it?

Misc Real Talker > Zyzz

LOL...

that's what I'm saying. nobody is bishing and moaning..except your boy miscrealtalker.

thank for you once again, not contributing anything useful to these forums.