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    Very cool informative thread OP. Repped.
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    Originally Posted by fknmisc View Post
    How did you manage your family life with all the long hours of work? wife/kids
    I didn't have kids until I was a senior VP. With the seniority and the market downturn, it got easier to spend quality time with them. Most people will say I'm an unusually doting father. I think I am. I'm grateful for the downturn for that reason. I wouldn't trade those bad years for good years and good comp, if I had to spend more time away from my boys.

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    nice thread procon, always wondered more about your career but didn't want to pry. sounds like you had a great career but reading about this makes me cringe. all of my finance class projects memories are coming back to me, all we did was value companies and similar projects.
    You should have told me. I didn't know you were in the field.



    For the same reason young hollywood types do it. It makes us feel better about our decisions, and we think it might help get chicks.

    They make a lot of money for kids out of undergrad, I will say that. But I will also say that for Manhattan, I was middle-class and I was a managing director.
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    I have about 2k GBP to comfortably invest (yes on dat poverty time) - what should I do with it rather than keeping it in the bank?
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    Originally Posted by proconsul View Post
    The bottom for me was on a never-ending project for Verizon. We'd been working non-stop for six months, with no end in sight. Every evening, we'd have an all-hands conference call. Every night, you get on the phone and hope, like really pray, that tonight would be the night we'd take a break, and that you'd be able to go home at 10pm. Probably 20 people between TMT banking, M&A, DCM, ECM and SLF. And we'd go over what we needed to do that night and have sitting on the MDs' chairs in the morning. I'd sit there with my headset on as we'd add more and more stuff, and all I could thinks is "**** **** ****. I'm not going home tonight."

    Then my mind would go to: "I could quit. Really, I could. It would be so easy. I just pick up my jacket and walk out. I could do it." Then reality would hit. "I can't quit. I need this job. Where would I find another job? This is all I've done in the civilian world. What else could I do and even make half as much money? ****. **** **** **** **** ****."
    That last sentence is so true it makes me want to cry. I close very minor deals compared to you (300M max), but we do wind up in the odd string of all-night grind session closing proposals with a similar structure of people. Going over stuff for the 1000th time combing for mistakes and none of it makes sense anymore because its 2am and you are cross eyed and sick from the caffeine.

    I do this maybe 5-6 days a quarter, with 2:00pm golf hooky days to make up for it. If you told me I had to do it 7 days a week for 15-30 weeks I would want to die. I would for sure quit.
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    interesting thread, although I'm not even planning on going into finance/banking. What is your opinion on college OP? Would you say only certain majors are worth getting into or would say the reputation of a particular school is more important?
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    What do you think of Peter Schiff's doomsday predictions? Don't know much about economics, but listen to his show from time to time, and he's predicting an even worse economic crisis than in 2008 because of all the QE, which he thinks will devalue the currency and cause a currency crisis.
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    Hey Op,

    I would value your input on something, I'm starting a business brokerage and what do you think is the best way to attract clients to list their business with us ?

    - targeted emails
    - mass faxing
    - cold calling
    - Online seo

    I'm going to be doing all of the above just looking at where to focus. When you did M&A how did you guys get clients/leads ?

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    OP what are your current plans in life?
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    for what its worth, to anyone interested in ibanking:
    If you are able to, go the quant route. I do quant work as a computer scientist and I could develop software for any kind of software company either, because those skills are translatable. Trading skills are useless in the real world.
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    As a M&A specialist, how did you decide on how purchase a company? You worked for a company and they want to buy "corp xyz" so that they can get access to their customer base and man power. I know in many instances that sometimes the buying company tends to get the shorter stick. I guess I'm just curious to know what are the top 3 reasons why a company will want to merge/buy another company, like what are some typical stratgies for 100+ million dollar plus companies and 1 billion dollar plus companies?
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    As someone double majoring in accounting and finance. Am i going to make it, brah?
    I'm not trying to work on Walls Street or anything like that. My foots partially in the door with Wells Fargo here in Portland, OR.
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    Originally Posted by freshspam1 View Post
    FYI, some of your answers have changed over time. Like 120 hour weeks for an analyst is a total exaggeration and just internet BS. The average across the bulge bracket groups is like 75. The sweatshop group work like 95 on average, yeah you might do one week every 6 months were you hit 120, but it is really uncommon outside of sweatshop groups like GS TMT or MS M&A

    and I remember seeing your posts on WSO
    Hehe, I'm famous.

    Yes, I will say that everyone tends to exaggerate their hours. But I worked in a particularly bad analyst program, which is what I've always said. I've just always declined to say which group/firm.

    The analysts at the BB M&A shops I worked in had it bad, I will tell you that. But at my later banks, late meant midnight, not 4am like it was for us.

    Also, I think much has changed, structurally. People haven't been paid in years. They're not willing to knock themselves out anymore for the pay they're getting. They'll work until 10, but not until 3.

    You could see that among my MD peers. During the good years, half of them would still be there at 8pm. After 2008, it got to be a ghost town on MD row by 7:30.

    That attitude has filtered down through the ranks, and I can't blame them. I'd feel the same way. But I think it will be hard, even when the market picks up, to ever get people to do what Moelis or Lorello did in the old days. That culture is gone, and will be hard to bring back to life.
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    trade a T1 for CompM4?
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    My question: what the hell did you do for 16 years that you still have to work.

    Your bonuses must have sucked
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    I'm sure if he changed his lifestyle he wouldn't have to work anymore. I lurk the MFC thread and he has some nice stuff...lots of it.
    lols, dude has enough rofls to outfit my platoon twice, maybe three times over
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    Originally Posted by CdtCox View Post
    trade a T1 for CompM4?
    Which way? If you want a Comp M4, absolutely I'll take a T1.

    I got six Comp M4s but only 3 T1s, and I like the micros better.

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    Do first years make enough to live pretty comfortably in nyc?
    Most of them room in groups. You're not at home enough to really enjoy it much anyway - better to live with 3 or four others and get the rent down.

    The good news is that your primary expenses will be rent, clothes, transportation and alcohol. The firm will end up paying for all of your dinners anyway. I didn't go to the grocery store for the first two years I was an analyst.
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    The pressure curve peaks at 20", if I recall correctly. Of course, I'd go with Three of each.
    Fixed for ya.
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    hey op I'm a programmer I do stuff related to AI, if I had a 10/10 idea, never done before, prototype finished,
    where should I go for funding
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    Originally Posted by LethalGunz34 View Post
    anything you miss about working in the city?
    I miss the idea of the city. I regret taking NYC away from my boys.

    But the reality of it? There's very little I miss about the city.

    I like guns, not good for NYC.
    I hate nanny-state-ism, not good for NYC
    I don't go out much, NYC is lost on me
    The truth is my life changed very little, except for the better when I left


    Originally Posted by Misc_Lurker View Post
    Economics degree.
    Graduating by December. (1 quarter left)
    Did zero networking.
    GPA went to ****.


    I'm probably not gonna make it?

    Much appreciated if you answer my question.

    I've been looking at entry level positions in SF, LA, and SD. TFW finally hitting real life.
    The market sucks anyway. it would be hard right now even if you were a 4.0 Wharton grad. Find an interesting job, do well in it, use it to get into a top b-school and consider banking after your MBA if you really still want to do it.

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    Mirin OP.
    Stupid question: Is it true that a lot of banks are getting loans from the Fed at near 0% interest and the banks then turn around and loan it to the govt at a higher rate?
    This actually is not my area of expertise, but conceptually yes it should be true.
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    Pretty sure I've seen your post about bending over to take shoes and falling asleep on WSO. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure I followed your posts on WSO back when I was in undergrad.

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    If you're ever in Toga, let me know. Live right downtown. Those horse races. Interesting stuff, I come from engineering so I can't speak in much to regards of all this but definitely has me thinking. Keep up the good posts.
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    Originally Posted by vodka69 View Post
    I'll read later dont delete oppie
    hey op I'm a programmer I do stuff related to AI, if I had a 10/10 idea, never done before, prototype finished,
    where should I go for funding
    Local VC or angel most likely.

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    Only after returning videotapes

    Originally Posted by WIKI18 View Post
    Do guys from places other than the US, in particular Pakistan, have a chance of joining a major, bulge bracket firm for IB? What steps do you think should be taken to improve the odds? Does having passed CFA help in the process?
    Pls respawn.
    CFA is not that important, except to show you have commitment. There are a ton of young desi (both Indian and Pakistani) bankers on Wall Street. The Pakistani ones though do mostly come from wealthy Pakistani families.

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    As someone double majoring in accounting and finance. Am i going to make it, brah?
    I'm not trying to work on Walls Street or anything like that. My foots partially in the door with Wells Fargo here in Portland, OR.
    Sure, why wouldn't you?

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    As a M&A specialist, how did you decide on how purchase a company? You worked for a company and they want to buy "corp xyz" so that they can get access to their customer base and man power. I know in many instances that sometimes the buying company tends to get the shorter stick. I guess I'm just curious to know what are the top 3 reasons why a company will want to merge/buy another company, like what are some typical stratgies for 100+ million dollar plus companies and 1 billion dollar plus companies?
    The short answer is that I don't decide to acquire a company. My client does.

    I suggest possible candidates for him, sure. That's one of the ways I build the relationship, and one of the ways I plant a flag on an idea. "Hey, I brought that idea to you!"

    Companies buy companies because:

    -Vertical Integration - you buy a company either up or downstream in the food chain, like a supplier or a customer. You have more control over your operation as a result.
    -Horizontal integration - you buy a competitor or a complementary business. Maybe you make computers and think you can create a tablet by buying a mobile phone company. Presumably, you think you can either get better market power, or reduce costs by eliminating redundancies. Interesting story about how my coverage partner once nearly sent my clients to prison for violating the Sherman Act (by accident). It was a semi-innocent mistake by someone who wasn't used to advising industry giants. The thing is, if you are in an oligopolistic field and your clients are selling a commodity product, you have to be very careful. In any other situation, merger partners would discuss things like their pricing strategy etc. Here, that's illegal. We needed to blind all pricing discussions including disclosure of each side's prices to their customers a complete secret until the merger was complete. My coverage partner had no idea that was an issue when he arranged a sales diligence session between the two organizations. I intervened, squashed the meeting and kept them out of jail. For the closing dinner I bought them all orange jumpsuits.
    -Financial returns - you don't really care what they make. You buy them because they make money, and you can get good financial returns (this is what VC and PE firms do)
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    Originally Posted by Looter View Post
    Pretty sure I've seen your post about bending over to take shoes and falling asleep on WSO. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure I followed your posts on WSO back when I was in undergrad.

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    yes, I was GenghisKhan on that site.

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    10/10 thread despite the fact that I understand roughly 3.50% of what has been said ITT. Love NYC though.

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    I'm about to graduate in December with an Economics degree. Haven't done any internships but would be interested in a prospective job in a field that would have to deal more with people than crunching numbers. I guess thats what M&A guys do as well . Any suggestions on what do?
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    Actually I do have a question to ask you, what's your opinion on the merger between TEL (Tokyo Electron) and AMAT (Applied Materials)? I work for the former and find this joint venture very interesting and to be quite the lucrative oppurtunity considering the IP sharing down the road, which could also corner the semiconductor market for specialized tools
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