Who else thinks Phil clearly won...?

[II Cybershot II]

To me his overall physique was obviously better than everyone else's. He just amazing LOOKING muscles and lots of them. He has a tremendous shape and his conditioning is fantastic. No weak spots at all.

[FilmOfWater]

when phil stepped on stage last night (pre judging) deep down inside I knew when he hit front relaxed he would win

[stealth_swimmer]

Agreed. Kai blew it by doing the opposite of what he was supposed to do and what judges and bodybuilding insiders(radio hosts and gurus) have been saying what he has needed to do FOR YEARS. He came in bigger but softer.

[alan aragon]

Phil easy & obvious.

And I am one of the biggest Kai fans ever.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

The argument for him not winning is that Kai was bigger and that makes it ok that he was off and he should still win being off, because he is big.





So yes Phil clearly won.

[JM3K]

everyone who didnt judge it off the stream thinks he won

[GBLynden]

GBLynden checking in.

[Clamz]

Kai was wider so he should have won, notsrs

[Fairjudge]

Clear win for Phil. Last year it was closer...

[Joshua2035]

Phil beat him by 11 points ... It was hardly close !

[Natty4life87]

When i saw Phil at the prejudging-it was obviously he will win this.And today-he brought the best of him ever in my opinion I expect from him lot's of trophies in the future

[ROMMYromboid]

Phil was in slightly better shape but gave up a lot of size, Wolf really exposed his narrowness in back double bi and front lat spread and kai exposed an overall lack of thicknes and size especially in wheels (legs). The judges chose narrow and slightly better condition. In Coleman's days it was more about size and Wolf and Kai would have placed ahead. It was in no way a dominat win, if the title had been awarded to Wolf or Kai it would have been just as acceptable as Heath being awarded the title.

Phil looked ok but really has not improved since his 2011 win which where he destroyed everyone without any question. Kai and Wolf are both bringing more muscle to the stage year by year and their is only so much that the Heath foundations can take.

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[adrianisgnarly]

I also had Phil in 1st easy. The people in and around my section were going for Kai heavily, and they had him taking the title. So good to know I wasn't alone in having Phil placing first.

[flangmasterj]

Yep. You can't deny that level of balance, symmetry and conditioning.

[chevy2g3]

Seeing I was there up close I'm glad Phil won. Kai was HUGE, but Phil was complete.

Off topic,
It was nice to meet some IFBB forum guys in person.

[DedicateD93]

Right on I definitely agree Phil came in 2nd.

[JOHN GARGANI]

in the truly "relaxed" state, Phil's separation is still very clear....overall, his muscle separation is as impressive as his size balance...

the only thing on Phil that still lags a little behind , is chest, but he is so overwhelmingly muscular that you don't notice in most poses...

Plenty of legendary BBers had to settle for 2nd place many times in their career: Kai is not alone in this department....

[Devils]

I agree that Phil won, he had everything.

Kai as big as he was, same old story, soft from the back.

I can't believe he played the size game yet again, and didn't just come in 10 lbs lighter. What was the point of staying lean all year round if you're going to hold water on the most important night of the year.

Yes he would have won if he was dry.

[PlzN0Alesana]

Phil won no questions asked.... His upper body grew proportionately, I may be speaking out of my ass but his hamstrings from the side peak more so than in previous years. His conditioning is on par with any of his best appearances. He is slowly but surely adding each yeah and if you look at his previous contest pics it's obvious and this is very apparent in the looks of muscle just hanging off him almost Ronnieesque. I believe his appearance tonight is the best thing we've seen since a prime Ronnie. He will carry the torch a couple more years at least.

[goginski]

I don't get the Wolf 3rd placing. I mean do the judges not care about calf size anymore or symmetry and balance? The calves are literally the foundation of their bodies and Wolf has none. Is it a sympathy placing because he can't develop them or what? Just don't understand that.

[luckynumber13as]

How many do you guys think he will win before its all said and done?

I think Roelly should have placed higher.

[Bokula]

Phil won and it was clear as night and day for me, Kai's fans need to understand that conditioning will always stand in front of mass. But these things aside, Phil looks better overall, he is more complete and he deserves to win as long as he keeps coming looking like last night.

[Mattash2g]

srs I thought kai was winning everything and destroying phil
this was going off the laggy stream though, but I'm still not sure what exactly I wasn't seeing that you all were so obviously able to see. Looking at hd pics phil definitely looks better, but in the side by sides I thought kai was crushing. why?

[matcabliii]

I don't get the Wolf 3rd placing. I mean do the judges not care about calf size anymore or symmetry and balance? The calves are literally the foundation of their bodies and Wolf has none. Is it a sympathy placing because he can't develop them or what? Just don't understand that.

Agree
I don't see Wolf on 3rd because of lack of symmetrie and Dexter on 5th because he was way worse than last year, Roelly should be in the top6

[purdey]

I agree that Phil was more conditioned but i can't believe some people think Phil is better proportioned and has a better shape than Kai. Different stokes eh.

[purdey]

I don't get the Wolf 3rd placing. I mean do the judges not care about calf size anymore or symmetry and balance? The calves are literally the foundation of their bodies and Wolf has none. Is it a sympathy placing because he can't develop them or what? Just don't understand that.

Conditioning > Size/proportions/shape/having no missing parts =(

[boyoboyo]

I agree that Phil won, he had everything.

Kai as big as he was, same old story, soft from the back.

I can't believe he played the size game yet again, and didn't just come in 10 lbs lighter. What was the point of staying lean all year round if you're going to hold water on the most important night of the year.

Yes he would have won if he was dry.

dont kid yourself, he had phil beat last year in pre judging and yet phix walked away with straight firsts.

[Devils]

dont kid yourself, he had phil beat last year in pre judging and yet phix walked away with straight firsts.

Man If you know bodybuilding, the champ always has advantage, this has been the same in every Olympia for the last decade, where have you been. Did you think it would change this year?

The champ always wins unless he is REALLY off or there's someone MUCH BETTER. As Kai Green is equal, or something slightly better than Phil, that still doesn't put him over the champ.

[JOHN GARGANI]

Man If you know bodybuilding, the champ always has advantage, this has been the same in every Olympia for the last decade, where have you been. Did you think it would change this year?

The champ always wins unless he is REALLY off or there's someone MUCH BETTER. As Kai Green is equal, or something slightly better than Phil, that still doesn't put him over the champ.

people should read this post several times until it has burned into the permanent memory cells....lol.....this is the history of the Olympia, and it is their choice to do it this way: you must be WAY FAR better than the champ to unseat him....it is the way it has been and probably always will be...

[MrSilverback]

He CLEARLY won....but NOT by much.

Clearly, being that Kai showed noticeably less conditioning than Phil and f**ked up his pre-stage glaze/color.

Not by much because Kai definitely out masses Phil and all he needs to do is fix the aforementioned two problems.