***Official 2013 NFL Fantasy Football Think Tank V-3.0***

[yuja]

I really want to pick up Brandon Bolden. Who should I drop out of the three? Marlon Brown, TY HIlton, ryan matthews

Brown

[Ejjw18]

I'm gonna send off these trades. What do you think? Here's my team.

2 RB, 2 WR, 1 flex(RB-WR-TE)

QB-staff and dalton
RB- McCoy, Charles, miller, Snelling
WR- demaryius Thomas, garçon, nicks, marlon brown, Holmes
Te- graham and Julius Thomas
K- Dawson
Def- cincy

Thinking about sending....
Julius Thomas and garçon for Gonzalez and desean Jackson

Julius Thomas and Nicks for Owen Daniels and Fitz

Julius Thomas and garçon for Finley and Nelson

Julius Thomas and Demaryius for Cameron and AJ Green.

Bump. Thoughts?

[Spitfire92]

There's a lot of competition in that WR corps for sure...I have a solid starting rotation of Megatron, Torrey Smith, and Tavon Austin (flex) with Alshon Jeffery on the bench, so I have some freedom to play with my WR5 a little bit.

I would risk it then for a player who can get a huge upside, like Avery if he is still a FA Alex smith is showing show much love to him atm, it may not last but with KSC offense going so well I would pick him up.

Also with Mike Glennon starting does anyone else think VJAX value will drop hugely, and also Mike Williams will go up havn't read through the other pages so sorry if already mentioned.

Glennon has arm strength but not elite, now Freeman wasn't great by any means of the imagination but VJAX was valued because freeman would risk the throw deep to him. Will Glennon I can't see it this season at least.

and mike Williams is a much better intermediate and short route runner than VJAX just lacks his handling skills I just can see Williams and martin getting more and more ball.

I may be horribly wrong though.

[Spitfire92]

So now that we have a rookie QB in Tampa Bay, and Jax switching their blocking scheme back, Reggie likely playing, and CLE surprisingly doing well against opposing RB's while Gio is in a timeshare I have no idea how this goes.

Start 2, standard
Martin vs ARI
MJD vs IND
Gio @ CLE
Joique vs CHI
Snelling vs NE
(Lacy on bye)

I would go Gio and Martin but that's because MJD has screwed me so much this season, that he has to show something first before I put him back in.

And with gabber playing they prob won't even get in the end zone to have MJD run in a short yardage TD.

PMJD will get 2 TD and rush for 100 yards

[Impurityz]

Disagree completely. His value may be even higher because Glennon is such a checkdown machine. Even if he only rushes for 70 I could see this being the week he gets 7-8 Targets out of the backfield as well. I'm seeing an easy 30+ touch week for Doug.

Guess we will find out... I don't see why ARZ would prepare for anything, but Martin....
Could also see TB getting down if Glennon throws picks
I am also talking stnrd

[MericaBrah]

Bump. Thoughts?

you have Graham so whatever TE you get in return is pointless to me so im looking at WR value. I like giving up nicks for Fitz the most and having DT Garcon and fitz as my main 3. Otherwise I would do the jordy nelson trade. I would just rather have Garcon then nicks

[Farley1324]

I'm gonna send off these trades. What do you think? Here's my team.

2 RB, 2 WR, 1 flex(RB-WR-TE)

QB-staff and dalton
RB- McCoy, Charles, miller, Snelling
WR- demaryius Thomas, garçon, nicks, marlon brown, Holmes
Te- graham and Julius Thomas
K- Dawson
Def- cincy

Thinking about sending....
Julius Thomas and garçon for Gonzalez and desean Jackson

Julius Thomas and Nicks for Owen Daniels and Fitz

Julius Thomas and garçon for Finley and Nelson

Julius Thomas and Demaryius for Cameron and AJ Green.

Do you think people will take those trades?

[tsbalr120]

Ryan vs pats
Or
Smith vs giants

[NORCALpump]

Got an empty spot on my bench. Pick up Donnie Avery, Golden Tate, Ryan Broles, or Santonio Holmes?

[yuja]

Got an empty spot on my bench. Pick up Donnie Avery, Golden Tate, Ryan Broles, or Santonio Holmes?

Broyles or Tate

[Ejjw18]

Do you think people will take those trades?

Hahaha based on some of the other trades myself and others in the league have made, yes there's a chance.

[cbad7676]

16 team 2 qb league. no ppr. idk why my friends made this but wtv.

Trade offered to me:

my Drew Brees and daniel thomas

FOR dez bryant and matt forte.

-still have Rivers and Romo as my other 2 qb's

[MericaBrah]

16 team 2 qb league. no ppr. idk why my friends made this but wtv.

Trade offered to me:

my Drew Brees and daniel thomas

FOR dez bryant and matt forte.

-still have Rivers and Romo as my other 2 qb's

thats a definite upgrade at both positions, I would be hesitant to give up brees though. I would try Rivers and thomas or maybe Rivers and another player instead to try to sway him

[Farley1324]

16 team 2 qb league. no ppr. idk why my friends made this but wtv.

Trade offered to me:

my Drew Brees and daniel thomas

FOR dez bryant and matt forte.

-still have Rivers and Romo as my other 2 qb's

Depends who you are starting at RB/WR and who you have on the bench.

Very tempting though.

Who could you get off waivers as your 3rd QB for byes?

[Mitch1313]

This week we are picking up KC def or Colts def.

hnnng match ups.

[Daywa1ker]

Anybody picking up Andre Ellington as a bench stash? Mendenhall is already dinged up, Ellington is 4th on the team in targets with 12 as the rb2(.5 ppr league), he has 7 carries for 39 yards so far, and the OC said he thinks he can carry the load...there might be potential for a flex play by midseason, I think I'll drop mcgahee for him and see what happens

[dirtdickens]

thats a definite upgrade at both positions, I would be hesitant to give up brees though. I would try Rivers and thomas or maybe Rivers and another player instead to try to sway him

This. Rivers has 800 yards and 8/1, he is out scoring most of the elite guys.

[Nainoa]

16 team 2 qb league. no ppr. idk why my friends made this but wtv.

Trade offered to me:

my Drew Brees and daniel thomas

FOR dez bryant and matt forte.

-still have Rivers and Romo as my other 2 qb's

Depends on what you currently have in your RB and starting WR spots really.

If you're hurting there, then it is a nice upgrade. You can win a championship with Romo or Rivers easier than you can with a WR corp of Roddy White (This year) and Mike Wallace!

[Malfa]

non ppr

I was just offered adrian peterson and michael floyd (AZ) for Jamal charles and hakeem nicks


my other WR's are jordy nelson, mike wallace, ty hilton, alshon jeffrey, and ryan broyles


what do!? I like Peterson although Jamal has outscored him thus far

[Farley1324]

This. Rivers has 800 yards and 8/1, he is out scoring most of the elite guys.

I disagree.

Rivers has outscored only one elite guy...and that elite guy was falling in drafts due to his situation (Brady).

In standard formats the top QB scorers after 3 weeks, in order, are:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Michael Vick
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Matthew Stafford
6. Phillip Rivers


There are 4 elite guys. Of those 4, 3 of them are above Rivers (Manning, Rodgers, Brees).

[kkchop28]

Pick 1

Powell @ Ten

Or

CJ?K vs. Ten

Or

Pierce(if rice out)@ Buf

[Luno7]

Got Cam Newton on a bye this week, and need some QB advice

Terrelle Pryor vs. Washington

Andy Dalton @ Cleveland

Matt Schaub vs. Seattle

not sure who has the most upside for the week, any advice is greatly appreciated.

standard scoring league

[Impurityz]

Pick 1

Powell @ Ten

Or

CJ?K vs. Ten

Or

Pierce(if rice out)@ Buf

Rice will play...I go cj2k for potential

Got Cam Newton on a bye this week, and need some QB advice

Terrelle Pryor vs. Washington

Andy Dalton @ Cleveland

Matt Schaub vs. Seattle

not sure who has the most upside for the week, any advice is greatly appreciated.

standard scoring league

none.... if cleared..I go pryor against poverty WSH

[MURedHawk235]

Kaep @ StL (they play tomorrow)
or
Rivers vs Dal

[ThaWorldIsYours]

Pick 1 for Flex:

Le'Veon Bell @ MIN (2nd most points to RB's this season)
Joique Bell vs. CHI (2nd fewest points to RB's this season)
Brandon Bolden @ ATL (13th fewest points to RB's this season)

[xerik126x]

Pick 3 (one needs to be a RB):

Roddy White
Denarius Moore
Tavon Austin
Rashard Mendenhall
Le'veon Bell

[Nainoa]

I disagree.

Rivers has outscored only one elite guy...and that elite guy was falling in drafts due to his situation (Brady).

In standard formats the top QB scorers after 3 weeks, in order, are:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Michael Vick
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Matthew Stafford
6. Phillip Rivers


There are 4 elite guys. Of those 4, 3 of them are above Rivers (Manning, Rodgers, Brees).

Well when it comes to scoring potential when you're in-season, it's kind of pointless to throw around the word "Elite" because now everything is fluid and a big game or two in three weeks, does not a successful season make.

You pretty much have to go back to a tiers mindset.

Basically SO FAR
The Elite Tier: Peyton Manning
Tier 1: Vick, A-Rod, Brees

Tier 2:Stafford, Ryan, RG3, Rivers, Bradford, Luck


In my mind if you have Any ONE of those top 10 QB's, you've got the snot to win the championship and energy should be put into shoring up shallower positions like RB and #1WR.

[Farley1324]

Pick 1

Powell @ Ten

Or

CJ?K vs. Ten

Or

Pierce(if rice out)@ Buf

I'm starting CJ?K, and if I had Bilal I'd still start CJ?K

Kaep @ StL (they play tomorrow)
or
Rivers vs Dal

I'd start Rivers.

Well when it comes to scoring potential when you're in-season, it's kind of pointless to throw around the word "Elite" because now everything is fluid and a big game or two in three weeks, does not a successful season make.

You pretty much have to go back to a tiers mindset.

Basically SO FAR
The Elite Tier: Peyton Manning
Tier 1: Vick, A-Rod, Brees

Tier 2:Stafford, Ryan, RG3, Rivers, Bradford, Luck


In my mind if you have Any ONE of those top 10 QB's, you've got the snot to win the championship and energy should be put into shoring up shallower positions like RB and #1WR.

Well when it comes to quarterbacks and who is and is not elite, there is a total consensus that has been that way for years.

The 4 elite QB's are:

Brees
Rodgers
Manning
Brady


Those are the elite QB's.

And currently, on the season, 3/4 of them have outscored Rivers.

So, Rivers has not outscored most of the elites. Most of the elites have outscored Rivers.

[Nainoa]

I'm starting CJ?K, and if I had Bilal I'd still start CJ?K



I'd start Rivers.



Well when it comes to quarterbacks and who is and is not elite, there is a total consensus that has been that way for years.

The 4 elite QB's are:

Brees
Rodgers
Manning
Brady


Those are the elite QB's.

And currently, on the season, 3/4 of them have outscored Rivers.

So, Rivers has not outscored most of the elites. Most of the elites have outscored Rivers.

Doesn't matter... Once the season starts "Elite" is up for grabs week by week.

A few years back Mike Vick was being called "Elite" then he got WHACKED and everyone has discounted him as elite because he's been injury prone.

So long as I have a QB who can win me a championship... Usually meaning he's in the top 10-12 by week 4-ish... Then my mental energy turns towards how to (Or if I can) improve my RB's and my potentially WR.




For instance...

A running back to look at grabbing... Kendall Hunter.

He's looking healthier each week, Gore has a history of being dinged and turns 30 this year.

If Gore misses some time... Hunter could fill in at a Flex. But the people who just look for the player with the highest stat line through 3 weeks will grab whatever that free agent is. But all too often it's the guy who grabs those off the radar players that emerge who get their name scratched on the trophy.

[Farley1324]

Doesn't matter... Once the season starts "Elite" is up for grabs week by week.

It's time for real talk, nainoa. And you have to realize this is at least as much REAL LIFE football as it is fantasy football...although it applies to fantasy football very, very well.

There are four consensus elite QB's.

They are Brees, Rodgers, Manning, and Brady.

Being an elite QB does not guarantee you will perform at a top-5 level every single week.

Not performing at a top 5 level some week doesn't mean you are not elite.

Performing at a top 5 level here and there doesn't mean you are elite.

Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady

Those four are THE elite QB's of our time. Plain and simple.

A few years back Mike Vick was being called "Elite" then he got WHACKED and everyone has discounted him as elite because he's been injury prone.

I sure as hell never called him elite, and nobody I personally know did, either.

So long as I have a QB who can win me a championship... Usually meaning he's in the top 10-12 by week 4-ish... Then my mental energy turns towards how to (Or if I can) improve my RB's and my potentially WR.

That's great, but is beside the point of who is and is not an elite QB.

I only have an elite QB in 2 out of 10 leagues, I think. My main leagues I am starting Stafford, Stafford, and Romo.

I never said nor implied that an elite QB was necessary to win or even preferred to win.

I am simply saying that

Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady

Are the elite quarterbacks.

And 3/4 of them have outscored Rivers so far this season.