WonderPug why are you saying everyone have eating disorder ? (2)

[Jbreezee]

well, lets say you have eaten 2 apples and a banana on a given day
from a health standpoint you would be better off eating 4 slices of bread for carbs than eating 400 more cals of fruit

Just curious, I honestly don't know why you recommend this. Why would that be more beneficial?

[Benjo87]

Just curious, I honestly don't know why you recommend this. Why would that be more beneficial?

I don't understand this either

[OneHandClap]

Just curious, I honestly don't know why you recommend this. Why would that be more beneficial?

And like I said in the article, the applicability of this limit is going to vary according to the individual. But if we were to pick a generalized upper safe limit of daily fructose intake based on the research evidence as a whole, it lands right around the neighborhood of 50 grams. I also qualified this claim by stating that it’s not productive to get hung up on a particular number, because individual requirements vary. With that said, the 50g figure is well within the 50-100g limit listed in this meta-analysis: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996880, and also well within the 60g limit listed in this other meta-analysis James linked: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19592634

The bitter truth about fructose alarmism. | Alan Aragon's Blog

[gymjunki3]

The bitter truth about fructose alarmism. | Alan Aragon's Blog

lol just lol

Fine, Sturm, you’re not a paleotard. You’re justa ****ing retard apologist for groups like the paleo ****s and Lustwig. How about the possibility that he’s just an alarmist dip**** who should be ignored completely because he can’t even get basic concepts right?

Or do you have to constantly make excuses for EVERYONE making bull**** claims like him, the paleo cult ****s, Dean Peat, etc. Because that’s what you seem to constantly do. “Oh, they make some good points.”

Yeah, a broken clock is right twice a day too. Because someone makes one good point doesn’t change the fact that EVERYTHING ELSE THEY ARE SAYING IS COMPLETELY ****ING RETARDEDLY WRONG

[necon76]

I don't understand this either

Then maybe you should stop talking sh!t about those who do.

[tara19]

lol just lol

There are ladies present.
Come on now.

[necon76]

There are ladies present.
Come on now.

I'm a boy dammit.

[Benjo87]

Then maybe you should stop talking sh!t about those who do.

I don't understand it because its a bunch of crap. In fact, it's plain ridiculous.

Yes high fructose corn syrup is bad. It's just mind boggling that people keep trying to come up with reasons why fruit is bad, yet on the other hand, make arguments about how there are no healthy/unhealthy foods.

You could literally eat nothing but fruit all day, and never have up worry about your fructose consumption.

[necon76]

I don't understand it because its a bunch of crap. In fact, it's plain ridiculous.

Yes high fructose corn syrup is bad. It's just mind boggling that people keep trying to come up with reasons why fruit is bad, yet on the other hand, make arguments about how there are no healthy/unhealthy foods.

You could literally eat nothing but fruit all day, and never have up worry about your fructose consumption.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. And who says fruit is 'bad'?

[Survive]

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. And who says fruit is 'bad'?

I ate 15 bananas today and I feel like crap. About to eat 3 sweet potatoes.

[Benjo87]

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. And who says fruit is 'bad'?

Apparently too much isn't good for you according to wonderpug.

[AlwaysTryin]

Apparently too much isn't good for you according to wonderpug.

I already told you what he is responding to

Stop ignoring

[MetilHed]

Just curious, I honestly don't know why you recommend this. Why would that be more beneficial?

I don't understand this either

I don't understand it because its a bunch of crap. In fact, it's plain ridiculous.

Yes high fructose corn syrup is bad. It's just mind boggling that people keep trying to come up with reasons why fruit is bad, yet on the other hand, make arguments about how there are no healthy/unhealthy foods.

You could literally eat nothing but fruit all day, and never have up worry about your fructose consumption.

Apparently too much isn't good for you according to wonderpug.

Ironically, your post lacks context, which is a main point of Pug's advices regarding "good" and "bad" foods. Without factoring the whole diet nothing is really particularly "bad" for you, or unhealthy (baring industrial trans fats). Context counts for everything. 1 banana a day isn't bad for you. 50 bananas, not so much.

What part of context is so hard to understand ?

[KayPS]

[Gxp23]

Time for a pig ear.

[Jbreezee]

Ironically, your post lacks context, which is a main point of Pug's advices regarding "good" and "bad" foods. Without factoring the whole diet nothing is really particularly "bad" for you, or unhealthy (baring industrial trans fats). Context counts for everything. 1 banana a day isn't bad for you. 50 bananas, not so much.

What part of context is so hard to understand ?

I'm not sure why you quoted me for your response. I'm aware context is what matters. I was curious as to his reasoning. Based off of what I've read, theoretically one could eat in the ball park of 20-25 bananas and be right at that "maximum" limit of 50g of fructose. Not saying the fructose is bad, and I'm sure there would be nothing wrong with eating that many. Now is it your best option for having a balanced diet? Nope. It would suffice to say his reasoning for suggesting bread over bananas or fruit is for that simple reason. You'd have to eat a **** ton and it would throw the balance of your diet/micronutrient off.

Quit being an *******, when someone is simply trying to find out someone elses reasoning and not trying to be facetious or troll, but genuinely trying to see something from someone else's perspective. There is nothing wrong with that and they shouldn't be called out for it.

What part of these forums are for growth/learning and sharing of knowledge don't YOU understand?

[WonderPug]

Based off of what I've read, theoretically one could eat in the ball park of 20-25 bananas and be right at that "maximum" limit of 50g of fructose.

FYI: 20 to 25 bananas contain, on average, between 114 grams of fructose and 143 grams of fructose, not ~50 grams as you claim.

Additionally, one needs to consider dose and content to determine the health risks associated with intake of any compound including, as in this discussion, high fructose intake.

To understand the implications of chronic high fructose intake, please read:

Livesey G, Taylor R. Fructose consumption and consequences for glycation, plasmid triacylglycerol, and body weight: meta-analyses and meta-regression models of intervention studies. Am J Clin Nutr 2008;88:1419–37.

Johnson RJ, Segal MS, Sautin Y, et al. Potential role of sugar (fructose) in the epidemic of hypertension, obesity and the metabolic syndrome, diabetes, kidney disease, and cardiovascular disease. Am J Clin Nutr 2007;86(4):899–906.

Segal MS, Gollub E, Johnson RJ. Is the fructose index more relevant with regards to cardiovascular disease than the glycemic index? Eur J Nutr 2007;46(7):406–17.

Nakagawa T, Hu H, Zharikov S, et al. A causal role for uric acid in fructose-induced metabolic syndrome. Am J Physiol 2006;290(3):F625–31.

Brown CM, Dulloo AG, Yepuri G, Montani JP. Fructose ingestion acutely elevates blood pressure in healthy young humans. Am J Physiol 2008;294(3):R730–7.

Stanhope KL, Griffen SC, Bair BR, Swarbrick MM, Keim NL, Havel PJ. Twenty-four–hour endocrine and metabolic profiles following consumption of high-fructose corn syrup–, sucrose-, fructose-, and glucose-sweetened beverages with meals. Am J Clin Nutr 2008;87:1194–203.

Ouyang X, Cirillo P, Sautin Y, et al. Fructose consumption as a risk factor for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. J Hepatol 2008;48(6):993–9.

Havel PJ. Dietary fructose: implications for dysregulation of energy homeostasis and lipid/carbohydrate metabolism. Nutr Rev 2005;63(5):133–57.

Sanchez-Lozada L, Lopez-Molina R, Soto V, et al. Low fructose caloric intake concomitant to hyperuricemia induces hyperinsulinemia and renal structural damage in rats. J Am Soc Nephrol 2007;18:184A.

Blakely SR, Hallfrisch J, Reiser S, Prather ES. Long-term effects of moderate fructose feeding on glucose tolerance parameters in rats. J Nutr 1981;111(2):307–14.

Teff KL, Elliott SS, Tschop M, et al. Dietary fructose reduces circulating insulin and leptin, attenuates postprandial suppression of ghrelin, and increases triglycerides in women. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2004;89(6):2963–72.

Shapiro A, Mu W, Roncal C, Cheng KY, Johnson RJ, Scarpace PJ. Fructose-induced leptin resistance exacerbates weight gain in response to subsequent high fat feeding. Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol 2008 Aug 1.

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Swarbrick MM, Stanhope KL, Elliott SS, et al. Consumption of fructose-sweetened beverages for 10 weeks increases postprandial triacylglycerol and apolipoprotein-B concentrations in overweight and obese women. Br J Nutr 2008;Apr 3:1–6

Glushakova O, Kosugi T, Roncal C, et al. Fructose induces the inflammatory molecule ICAM-1 in endothelial cells. J Am Soc Nephrol 2008 May 28

[transformerchad]

Amazing ^ hahahaha

[snorkelman]

You knew it was just a matter of time...

[KayPS]

Time for a pig ear.

Excellent idea.

[doughnutgut]

How anyone can make a call out thread that is subjected to a member of BB that has forgotten more than most of us know is mindblowingly, beyond doubt, totally crazy.

[necon76]

You knew it was just a matter of time...

Don't mess with my girl Freelee.

[ShelbyAlmaria]

There are ladies present.
Come on now.

He did sensor the words. He's a gentlemen. =)

[Jbreezee]

Whoops! When I was doing my math I used 28 grams of banana as my serving size. So it was about 20-25oz of banana or about 5-6 bananas depending on size. So 5-6 bananas times 7g* of fructose per banana(rough estimation) is 35- 42g* of fructose correct? It's early and I'm running on less than 5 hrs of sleep right now. That's my bad. But again these are just some quick numbers I crunched in my head for a rough illustration. Makes a little more sense in my head now.

*rough estimations-give or take a gram or so.

Also, I'm not reading your ****ing studies because I wasn't arguing for someone to be eating an abundance of anything and I've never disputed the health risks/ramifications of eating too much fructose or high fructose corn syrup. I simply asked why his opinion was what it was and now that I understand he was basing it off of watching fructose intake, I'm satisfied.

Ty for correcting the mistake in my calculations.

[moosedahgoose]

Wait...so are bananas good for me or bad for me?

[WonderPug]

Wait...so are bananas good for me or bad for me?

Yes, exactly

[germaine07]

So who is he? According to him there's no unhealthy foods, but you should watch you don't eat much fruit.

http://impruvism.com/clean-eating/

[Benjo87]

Wonderpug, just out of curiosity, do you have any experience with the books : prevent and reverse heart disease, or the China study?

[Jbreezee]

Who cares what is good and bad. The only guarantee you have is one day you will die. If you want to eat fruit and it doesn't hold you back from your fitness goals do it.

[moosedahgoose]

Who cares what is good and bad. The only guarantee you have is one day you will die. If you want to eat fruit and it doesn't hold you back from your fitness goals do it.

This statement (for the most part) helps lead one into a healthier relationship with food, and is often overlooked by individuals.

You could replace fruit with pop tarts, or ice cream, or bacon.

There are so many aspects of nutrition/training that we cannot control, might as well enjoy the ones we can (foods that comprise your daily nutrition, training program, meal timing, training timing, etc etc etc).