FDA’s Secret War on Raw Milk and Organic Farming

[Jesse_l_g]

Do you guys also eat your hamburgers well done??? I guess I would if I bought conventionally raised meat from the grocery store but I don't even hesitate to eat them rare and do every week....its kind of sad how these kinds of things are perceived as so dangerous because of how pathetically terrible mainstream food has become.... Some of you act like everyone who has drank raw milk is lucky to be alive.... despite all the people who tell you they have drank it for years without problems.

[Jesse_l_g]

Another thing I was thinking. I don't doubt for a second that raw milk was a big problem at one point when people didn't know better, started feeding their cows corn, giving them so many drugs like antibiotics and all the other problems with modern factory farming. I am sure a lot of farm kids did end up getting sick before anyone figured out what was going on.

[flairon]

Doubled? Source?.

http://mappinghistory.uoregon.edu/en...S/US39-01.html

Also I understand the average lifespan has improved but what I'm saying is not by that much (especially for average and low income people) and ONLY because of modern medicine and yes sanitation...so you kind of have to account for that when comparing. The other very important thing here is now days most people die at maybe 35 and walk around as a zombie kept alive by pharmaceuticals for the rest of their life....when in the past most people had a much better quality of life into old age. My point in mentioning all this is that we can have the best of both worlds....half of us don't need to be getting cancer. Just because we go back to eating better quality real food grown in quality soil doesn't mean we have to give up on all the modern medicine and sanitation improvements.

You're reaching now. Do whatever you like the fact of the matter is when you're pulling fluids from an animal for human consumption if you do not do something to clean/sanitize it first and don't know first hand out its handled, its a roll of the dice.

[Jesse_l_g]

http://mappinghistory.uoregon.edu/en...S/US39-01.html

That chart shows very clearly that people aren't living that much longer except from birth (if you click on the different age groups on the bottom).....yes modern medicine has afforded us a LOT less infant deaths.....this is the same type of propaganda that the world health organization uses when comparing life expectancy to other countries.... lots of countries don't start counting you in their statistics until after you live to a certain age... It's well known that less infant deaths is the biggest reason for the average life expectancy going up so much.... and sure maybe a few of those deaths were from unpasteurized milk.

You're reaching now. Do whatever you like the fact of the matter is when you're pulling fluids from an animal for human consumption if you do not do something to clean/sanitize it first and don't know first hand out its handled, its a roll of the dice.

Sure. That's fair enough and I 100% agree with you if you are talking about any random raw milk. I have tried very hard to be clear I am arguing in favor of a much higher standard. Specifically from healthy pastured cows with the intention of consuming the milk raw at every step of production. Keeping it clean and sanitary from the beginning but i don't want to just go around in circles...

[illriginalized]

Insane partisan; plant based diets have nothing to do with hippies. Hippies are generally sloppy with their body.

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LOL

Like that guy that eats 30 bananas a day claiming to be healthy.. when he looks so fragile. Someone should tell him that avocados put bananas to shame.. maybe then he'll look a little more healthier eating 15~ avocados a day.

RFLMFAO

Looks at USA society and laughs hard at meat eating stupidity statement

Are you denying that humans are omnivores?

No one is knocking healthy eating. Nor fruits and veggies. But the idea of strictly eating rabbit food.. not my kind of thing. And its' laughable to attack people who eat meat. If they were STRICTLY eating meat with no sort of veggies or even fruits once in a while or better yet daily, then sure.. I could agree they're lacking some nutrients. And most definitely could be healthier by adding fruits/veggies each day.

[Jesse_l_g]

LOL

Like that guy that eats 30 bananas a day claiming to be healthy.. when he looks so fragile. Someone should tell him that avocados put bananas to shame.. maybe then he'll look a little more healthier eating 15~ avocados a day.

lol. Is that guy still making youtube videos?

Just to be clear vegetarians aren't vegans and do eat animal fats and proteins. It seems rather obvious that any random study would show vegetarians are healthier if you don't control for the fact of how terrible the average american eats.

Are you denying that humans are omnivores?

No one is knocking healthy eating. Nor fruits and veggies. But the idea of strictly eating rabbit food.. not my kind of thing. And its' laughable to attack people who eat meat. If they were STRICTLY eating meat with no sort of veggies or even fruits once in a while or better yet daily, then sure.. I could agree they're lacking some nutrients. And most definitely could be healthier by adding fruits/veggies each day.

Agreed. Plants should make up a huge part of anyones diet but even so i think most of us would do VERY well on an only meat diet IF we ate the entire healthy animals, organs and all. Especially if your ancestors are eskimos or you could supplement with a few potatoes or something for some carbs now and then.

[TheBladeMike]

The 'problem' with raw milk isn't the milk, its now the milk is handled

bull**** son. you should be able to buy it directly from farmers

[TheBladeMike]

did not even read this thread,

The bottom line is, Organic Farming should be 100% legal on all forms.

Raw milk should be 100% legal on all forms



period. **** you if you wanna tell me what I can and cant drink, and you wont ****ing die drinking sour milk bitch

the war on food in this country is insane

[flairon]

bull**** son. you should be able to buy it directly from farmers

I agree, but there needs to be standards set, expectations of product. Thats really what the requirement of pasteurization does.

[Jesse_l_g]

I agree, but there needs to be standards set, expectations of product. Thats really what the requirement of pasteurization does.

Couldn't agree more that there needs to be standards and expectations. Do you believe it should be the governments job to set and enforce these standards?

[ElMariachi]

The 'problem' with raw milk isn't the milk, its now the milk is handled

This. The milk itself isn't problematic but if you're buying raw milk from someone else, you have NO idea how that milk was handled, the possibility of cross-contamination is incredibly high, especially considering that milk is a fantastic growth medium for all sorts of micro-organisms, it has a neutral pH, plenty of nutrients, everything that is needed to rapidly reproduce including water, sugar, protein, various minerals and so on.


If you understand that roughly 30% of people in the U.S. are carriers of methicillin resistant staph, you can see why this is a problem, in hospitals, a great deal of outbreaks of staph get traced back to a single healthcare professional, a doctor or nurse who happened to be a carrier of staph, harmless to them, deadly to others, it simply resides inside their noses, on their hands, armpits......transfers to others at an incredibly high rate.


In this country, we have a growing epidemic of staph, community and hospital based MRSA, as well as VRE, the last time we need is to give them even more comfy and nutritious mediums to grow from.

[KRANE]

Agreed. Plants should make up a huge part of anyones diet but even so i think most of us would do VERY well on an only meat diet IF we ate the entire healthy animals, organs and all. Especially if your ancestors are eskimos or you could supplement with a few potatoes or something for some carbs now and then.

Umm, no. We are not carnivores. To be ever more succulent: it is completely possible to live exclusively on a varied diet of plant products. However, that is not possible over the long term eating solely a meat diet because meat generally requires cooking which reduce the amount of micro-nutrients in them. There's just no enough vitamins or mineral left over to sustain you for long.


One more thing, raw milk gets ripe quick.

[kusok]

What happened to Dave22 who laughed at government dogs raiding raw milk farmers, and then was given several links to it?


Like Nutsy he disappears when proven wrong.

[Jesse_l_g]

Umm, no. We are not carnivores. To be ever more succulent: it is completely possible to live exclusively on a varied diet of plant products. However, that is not possible over the long term eating solely a meat diet because meat generally requires cooking which reduce the amount of micro-nutrients in them. There's just no enough vitamins or mineral left over to sustain you for long.

I wouldn't recommend it but am sure lots of people would do well. I'm not talking about eating chicken breasts. I'm talking about eating all the organs, eyeballs, bone marrow, everything from wild animals(everyone should be eating some of this stuff anyway IMO). Especially in the past before refrigeration and modern transportation lots of people went long long stretches of time on nothing but animal products. On the extreme end of the spectrum you have Eskimos but think of all the places with very tough long winters and other places that there simply aren't many wild edibles. A native Hawaiian probably wouldn't last a week. Also quality meat is very nutrient dense and yea, you shouldn't over cook your meat..not only will that reduce micro nutrients but it will oxidize the fat.