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    Will newer car engines with "eco mode" not last as long

    As older cars. Since the engine turns itself off pratically at every idle. Isnt this bad for the engine, starter, ignition, etc?
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    Yes. Probably.

    biggest wear is to the road/main bearings on startup, but how much? Probably too early to tell
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    the off/on at every red light bothers me. always found that completely ridiculous and annoying as hell. gas ain't that expensive jesus christ.
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    Mine has an eco/sport mode but it isn't one with the auto-off. I would never buy a vehicle with that. Unless it continues to be the trend and is shown to actually work.
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    I turned auto stop/ start off. Hated it

    I'm rarely in Efficient (eco) mode anyway, mainly when getting home late at night to close the exhaust flaps so I don't wake up the neighbors.
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    Originally Posted by GainzMcgee View Post
    As older cars. Since the engine turns itself off pratically at every idle. Isnt this bad for the engine, starter, ignition, etc?
    Yes it is. But politicians think they know everything and instill retarded regulations. Manufacturers need to meet these standards so they create **** like auto start stop for that extra 1 MPG. That way their government enforced fuel economy average across their lineup is satisfied.
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    Originally Posted by Exiled93 View Post
    Mine has an eco/sport mode but it isn't one with the auto-off. I would never buy a vehicle with that. Unless it continues to be the trend and is shown to actually work.
    Saw a pickup truck do this the other day then he proceeds to race off to the next light .25 miles away as fast as he could. I loled.

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    I turned auto stop/ start off. Hated it
    Is auto off/on even efficient?
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    My F150 has the auto on/off. I hate it. There is a button I can use to turn it off manually but I have to hit it every time I start the truck, which I do. Anyone know how I can permanently turn it off which still driving in normal mode?

    I'll have to try and remember to ask the dealer next oil change
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    car engines dont use that much at idle, i had a scangage and it would say that i had like 20 hours left of idling before it runs out of gas.

    Can do a general ballpark estimate:

    "A large sedan, on the other hand, with a 4.6-liter engine, burns approximately 0.5 gal an hour"
    https://carfromjapan.com/article/car...es-idling-use/

    Say 5 minutes at a stop light, which is pretty long. 5/60 * 0.5 = 0.0417 gallons used idling at the light. Say gas is $2.50 a gallon, you would save 10.4 cents turning off your vehicle at the light.

    That is for a large engine, for a compact it is like 1/2 to 1/4 of that.

    You can do the same thing with house lights, people that freak out turning off the lights or whatever, you could see that it costs pennies to leave them on for a bit longer.
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    A car consist of many parts and system. So it doesn't just "die". In this case we are talking about the start/stop system, which consist of the 12v battery, a beefed up starter, and a computer board that controls everythang.

    Those parts should be fairly cheap to replace. And they should extend the life of the engine, the main component being the cylinder wall, which when worn down will cause the car to burn oil and pollute, which means its time for a new car, which is around 300k miles on a cars made today.

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    i would be ok with auto start/stop, only if the car had a secondary electric oil pump that maintained oil pressure. fuk out out of here brb let me hurry up and start the engine and gas it from a red light before oil pressure can build up. every. single. light. ohhh hell nawww
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    i would be ok with auto start/stop, only if the car had a secondary electric oil pump that maintained oil pressure. fuk out out of here brb let me hurry up and start the engine and gas it from a red light before oil pressure can build up. every. single. light. ohhh hell nawww
    My mustang gt has pressure limited oil pump so the oil pump doesn't have as much parasitic loss. I only see 15-20 psi of oil pressure most of the time regardless of temp.

    I'm not sure that's a great system. Its basically opposite of what you stated, which brings me to my point. Automakers are bowing down to the EPA over consumer value. These motors should last 200k easy but that's not likely with all the epa bullchit going on.
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    My F150 has the auto on/off. I hate it. There is a button I can use to turn it off manually but I have to hit it every time I start the truck, which I do. Anyone know how I can permanently turn it off which still driving in normal mode?

    I'll have to try and remember to ask the dealer next oil change
    Should be able to permanently disable it with scangauge, or similar product.
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    My mustang gt has pressure limited oil pump so the oil pump doesn't have as much parasitic loss. I only see 15-20 psi of oil pressure most of the time regardless of temp.

    I'm not sure that's a great system. Its basically opposite of what you stated, which brings me to my point. Automakers are bowing down to the EPA over consumer value. These motors should last 200k easy but that's not likely with all the epa bullchit going on.
    There was a time between 2008- 2012 where engines where probably as efficient as they are ever going to be in terms of fuel economy, computer controls vs the mechanics unless the government gets the fuark out of baby sitting the industry. It seems like we are going backwards!
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    Realistically No! There is no real impact to the engine itself. It does require the starter to be used a bit more often but they have been beefed up to accommodate and is not any significant problem. That being said if you find it as completely useless and annoying as I do remember it is Obama's fault! His ridiculous regulations are also to blame for these blasphemous 4 cylinder Porsches'
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    Yes. Probably.

    biggest wear is to the road/main bearings on startup, but how much? Probably too early to tell
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    Priuses are known to go up too 300k-400k on Original battery and motor. LOL
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    My F150 has the auto on/off. I hate it. There is a button I can use to turn it off manually but I have to hit it every time I start the truck, which I do. Anyone know how I can permanently turn it off which still driving in normal mode?

    I'll have to try and remember to ask the dealer next oil change
    There should be a setting in the menu to turn it off permanently I remember with my F150 there was and in my BMW there is.
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    Never trust what a handful of fanboys on the internet are telling you.

    Car forums are echo chambers and people see what they want to see.
    They’ve been doing that in Prius’ used in taxi fleets for some time now, IIRC, those were right up there with the Crown Vic taxis for mileage.
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    There should be a setting in the menu to turn it off permanently I remember with my F150 there was and in my BMW there is.
    Awesome, I'll check that out, thanks!
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    Realistically No! There is no real impact to the engine itself. It does require the starter to be used a bit more often but they have been beefed up to accommodate and is not any significant problem. That being said if you find it as completely useless and annoying as I do remember it is Obama's fault! His ridiculous regulations are also to blame for these blasphemous 4 cylinder Porsches'
    only time there is any wear on any bearing surface in general is during start up, when the bearing starts to move but hasn't built up enough speed to have hydrodynamic lubrication that supports the load and fully separates the moving parts. you cant say that there is no real impact, you are increasing the number of "wear" events in a car by a factor of 10+ combine that with losing oil pressure at every light and its easy to tell its not a good idea for engine life.
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    Never trust what a handful of fanboys on the internet are telling you.

    Car forums are echo chambers and people see what they want to see.
    Actually hybrids does tend to last pretty long, specifically the ice engine. Because they are used half of the time.
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    As older cars. Since the engine turns itself off pratically at every idle. Isnt this bad for the engine, starter, ignition, etc?
    I'd venture to say yes. I just turn it off.
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    Originally Posted by GainzMcgee View Post


    Is auto off/on even efficient?
    Like somebody said it's probably there to meet the regulations
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    Originally Posted by KilaByte View Post
    Like somebody said it's probably there to meet the regulations
    Good point it probably cost less to beef up the starter and program the computer for auto on/off to meet pollution regulations then creating or building something "environment compliant". Fukk the government.
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    This is part of the reason why I love my 2017 Infiniti QX50. For an SUV that new it's gloriously free of all the eco and automated safety bullchit you see in cars these days. No auto on/off, no lane change assist, no bullchit.
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    Usually the start stop us to reduce fuel consumption when you’re not going anywhere and/or reduce emissions further than they already are for that situation.
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    i am glad my car doesnt have that stupid feature and some phaggot 'eco' drive mode

    we dont need to reduce fuel consumption, lot of tree huggers just need to choke on dick and die so theres more to go around for others.
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    They will engineer it to just last out of warranty if anything.
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