Kali Muscle lies about height,steriods 20 year experience...

[HairyDaddy69]

there are some srs retards itt

god damn tmisc y u hav to be so returted

[sgttom]

No they are not. Doest really matter because by the age of 60 they will be small anyways.

Natural means = never used steroids.

Brb ill go use steroids for 3 years but then stop and tell everyone im natty.

logic not even once.

Its one thing if you are on steroids for your entire life and you hop off for a year and claim to be natural. Its another if you only cycled 1/20 years of training. Whatever there isn't any set in stone definition for natural, doesn't really matter.

[wannabebigrick]

Its one thing if you are on steroids for your entire life and you hop off for a year and claim to be natural. Its another if you only cycled 1/20 years of training. Whatever there isn't any set in stone definition for natural, doesn't really matter.

there is a set definition of natural, if you use any aas for any amount of time (even if hdrol for 3 days, u aware?) you are not natural.

when you come off you can say you are clean, but you are not natural. period. not up for discussion.

[Jericoe]

Its one thing if you are on steroids for your entire life and you hop off for a year and claim to be natural. Its another if you only cycled 1/20 years of training. Whatever there isn't any set in stone definition for natural, doesn't really matter.

But they both used steroids so what's the difference?

So if you use for a short amount of time then you are still natty lol ok gotcha.

[Jalexander1994]

IMO someone who has used steroids but hasn't used them for years = natty.
Natty = Natural.

So if you're CURRENTLY natural and have been for a while. You're natty.
This is my opinion.
ESPECIALLY if you've hit over your genetic limit while on gear. Because slowly (Or possibly quite quickly) your body is going to go back to what it can actually handle without assistance.

So..

Natty = Natural (as of current)
Unnatty = Currently on cycle, or on a rest from cycle with plans to start back up after proper rest period.

[Jericoe]

IMO someone who has used steroids but hasn't used them for years = natty.
Natty = Natural.

So if you're CURRENTLY natural and have been for a while. You're natty.
This is my opinion.
ESPECIALLY if you've hit over your genetic limit while on gear. Because slowly (Or possibly quite quickly) your body is going to go back to what it can actually handle without assistance.

So..

Natty = Natural (as of current)
Unnatty = Currently on cycle, or on a rest from cycle with plans to start back up after proper rest period.

Oh yeah

that sounds fair for naturals who have never used anything.

[sgttom]

Jalexander1994 pretty much summed up my thoughts on it. Don't care enough to argue about it further.

[Jalexander1994]

Oh yeah

that sounds fair for naturals who have never used anything.

Is there anything fair about natty vs unnatty?

And I'm not natty so... Not like I'm being bias.

[Jericoe]

Is there anything fair about natty vs unnatty?

And I'm not natty so... Not like I'm being bias.

No im talking about natty vs your definintion of natty

[wannabebigrick]

IMO someone who has used steroids but hasn't used them for years = natty.
Natty = Natural.

So if you're CURRENTLY natural and have been for a while. You're natty.
This is my opinion.
ESPECIALLY if you've hit over your genetic limit while on gear. Because slowly (Or possibly quite quickly) your body is going to go back to what it can actually handle without assistance.

So..

Natty = Natural (as of current)
Unnatty = Currently on cycle, or on a rest from cycle with plans to start back up after proper rest period.

errr NO. if you use aas to go above your natty limit you can actually raise the bar of where your limit is when you come off gear, think its due to an increase in muscle cells or something idk but people where talking about it over on gsf the other day and does make a lot of sense especially when you look at pros who compete in natty feds who used prohormones back before they where banned as they all seem to have a limit 10lbs higher than everyone else.

[Jericoe]

Yes steroids increase the room for growth.

So if you run a cycle and come off, you still have more room for growth compared to when you were natty.

[wannabebigrick]

also this is imo the definitions

natty = never used any aas etc.

clean = have not used aas for some time

[Jalexander1994]

errr NO. if you use aas to go above your natty limit you can actually raise the bar of where your limit is when you come off gear, think its due to an increase in muscle cells or something idk but people where talking about it over on gsf the other day and does make a lot of sense especially when you look at pros who compete in natty feds who used prohormones back before they where banned as they all seem to have a limit 10lbs higher than everyone else.

Yes. But once you come off, you still have a "genetic limit".
You're still limited.

[Jericoe]

Yes steroids increase the room for growth.

So if you run a cycle and come off, you still have more room for growth compared to when you were natty.

Yes. But once you come off, you still have a "genetic limit".
You're still limited.

^^^


And you are still limited on gear too.

[sgttom]

Yes steroids increase the room for growth.

So if you run a cycle and come off, you still have more room for growth compared to when you were natty.

Ok you win. Here is a cookie

[ForeverPulling]

Srs question here? What is not natty?

Because Jack3d with DMAA is illegal in some countries, but surely if you take DMAA a few times you're still natty?

Honest noob question.

[Jalexander1994]

^^^


And you are still limited on gear too.

Yes.. But that limitation is WAAAAAAYYYYY different.

[Jericoe]

Srs question here? What is not natty?

Because Jack3d with DMAA is illegal in some countries, but surely if you take DMAA a few times you're still natty?

Honest noob question.

The legal status doesnt matter. DMAA doesnt increase your natural test production.

But basically any drug that can take you past your genetic limit is not natty.

Yes.. But that limitation is WAAAAAAYYYYY different.

How is it different?

All steroids do is lengthen the limits of your genetics.

[Jalexander1994]

The legal status doesnt matter. DMAA doesnt increase your natural test production.

But basically any drug that can take you past your genetic limit is not natty.



How is it different?

All steroids do is lengthen the limits of your genetics.

Your limitation on nothing is quite a bit shorter than when you're on.

[Jericoe]

Your limitation on nothing is quite a bit shorter than when you're on.

Yeah whats your point? You are still limited.

If not everyone on gear would be pulling 1000lbs+ lol.

[Jalexander1994]

Yeah whats your point? You are still limited.

If not everyone on gear would be pulling 1000lbs+ lol.

*facepalm* getting no where with this.

Out.

[Jericoe]

*facepalm* getting no where with this.

Out.

bye

[LeRandomName]

Arrest? Dont think you would be arrested for steriod use.. If so Arnold should be behind bars.. And so should every single bodybuilder who is on gear... Hell I bet some miscers are part of the police force, and are aware of this.. Cops dont give a phuck as long as your not dealing...

Arrested, not even once.

Steroids was legal at arnolds time