Why is lethal injection used instead of just shooting the inmate for death penalty?

[JustSaiyanBro]

At the risk of sounding like a "liberal *******", I would hope we as a society have progressed and developed a set of morals and values that take us above such methods, even though the person being executed has failed to live by these codes of conduct.

I agree with you about the liberal ******* part.

[ManletBrahh]

as i told before i am a law student and had to spent time with many prisoners in the last year! i dont believe you would think the way you do if you would meet and talk to these people! even after what they did they are human like you and me and is not the right thing to take someones life

what kind of work were you doing? I'm a law student doing post-conviction work for death row inmates as we speak

[Babalu1]

It's not like we're going medieval and lopping their heads off in front of a crowd of people.

You do know there is a viewing gallery at executions, right?

[Babalu1]

I agree with you about the liberal ******* part.

[mm394006]

It has been shown that the death penalty does not act as a deterrent to crime rates.

And historians have found evidence to support that incarceration is the least effective form of punishment (in regards to repeat offenses) in the history of humankind.

As RagingGorilla said 43 people were excecuted in 2012. ONLY 43!!! Of course a penalty that is hardly ever handed out isn't a deterrant. Thugs can shoot up houses and rape little kids and be back on the streets in 10 years. The death penalty can't be a deterant if there is such a minor threat of it being applied.

[Angra_Mainyu]

Is there really a chance of survival if you shoot a strong rifle point blank in someones eye ?

[moneybrah]

If someone kills my mother, I want him dead as well. An eye for an eye. I don't want him to be comfortable and living it up for years in a jail cell and getting a peaceful way to die. He deserves to die the 2nd he takes away my mothers life.

You're 23, don't be so naive.

im pretty much indifferent on the death penalty I dont plan on murdering anybody so it doesnt really effect me either way. but let me ask something. if I a guy goes on a violent killing spree and we catch him and kill him in a violent way whats the diffrence between us and him? because we killed in the name of "justice"?

edit instead of the death penalty they should run test on the killer etc see why he is so violent and find a cure possibly to stop future occurances from others just like him. thats what a 1st world country should do imo. im pretty sure we all been so mad we wanted to kill someone especially if you have a gf lol. Obviously we have something in our brains that say this isnt right before we go over the edge. what are serial killers missing that they dont stop and say this isnt right. iim pretty sure you guys get the picture

[TacticalTaco]

in my opinion nobody should be punished with death in the first place! i´m a law student and been arguing about death penalty for most f the last 3 years! if a country chooses to punish somebody to death it should be the most human way of dying and that is the lethal injection

Plz go back to beta land

[Muneyy]

You do know there is a viewing gallery at executions, right?

There are until the actual point of execution, at which time they close the curtain and open it back up when they're dead. Just don't do that if a guillotine is being used.

[ManletBrahh]

It has been shown that the death penalty does not act as a deterrent to crime rates.

and in some cases, it has been linked to make crime worse. Google "brutalization effect"

[JustSaiyanBro]

a guy goes on a violent killing spree and we catch him and kill him in a violent way whats the diffrence between us and him? because we killed in the name of "justice"?

That seems like a pretty significant distinction.

With that logic, you could also say that we should never imprison anyone either, because we are basically kidnapping them.

In fact, in order to preserve our moral high ground we should never do things that could get us called meanies.

[Babalu1]

And historians have found evidence to support that incarceration is the least effective form of punishment (in regards to repeat offenses) in the history of humankind.

As RagingGorilla said 43 people were excecuted in 2012. ONLY 43!!! Of course a penalty that is hardly ever handed out isn't a deterrant. Thugs can shoot up houses and rape little kids and be back on the streets in 10 years. The death penalty can't be a deterant if there is such a minor threat of it being applied.

Even areas where death row sentencing and capital punishment has been used often in the past, it has not acted as a deterrent in those areas. I can't give you the stats off the top of my head, but if you Google the topic, the vast majority of experts say it isn't an effective deterrent.

[Father of Cajun]

To the 2 or 3 people saying the death penalty should be abolished:

You do agree that the people on death row are there for a reason, right? They are murderers themselves. If you had your way and abolished the death penalty, you are arming criminals with the knowledge that no matter what they do, the worst they can expect is to be confined to a cell where they have all of their costs paid for them for the rest of their life. Shoot some guy on the street? Try to beat the high score in a school? Why not? They won't kill me no matter what I do.


That just seems like flawed reasoning to me.

[JustSaiyanBro]

Even areas where death row sentencing and capital punishment has been used often in the past, it has not acted as a deterrent in those areas. I can't give you the stats off the top of my head, but if you Google the topic, the vast majority of experts say it isn't an effective deterrent.

It's not supposed to be a deterrent. It's punishment.

[imJB]

death penalty isnt the solution brahs

[moneybrah]

That seems like a pretty significant distinction.

With that logic, you could also say that we should never imprison anyone either, because we are basically kidnapping them.

In fact, in order to preserve our moral high ground we should never do things that could get us called meanies.

no I never said that a criminal shouldn't get punished so that argument is invalid

[Babalu1]

It's not supposed to be a deterrent. It's punishment.

The guy I quoted said it was, I was just letting him know that it wasn't.

Also, by definition, a punishment is supposed to act as a deterrent. When the law states, "If you do [insert crime] you will be executed." They are trying to encourage you not to commit those acts.

[Muneyy]

Maybe we should focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment for criminals.

Yeah, cause rehabilitation works so well.

[TypeZero]

- Bullet ricochet
- Less clean up
- Shooter might fck up and end up only wounding the person, causing them pain and torture (It will violate the Geneva convention)

[ManletBrahh]

To the 2 or 3 people saying the death penalty should be abolished:

You do agree that the people on death row are there for a reason, right? They are murderers themselves. If you had your way and abolished the death penalty, you are arming criminals with the knowledge that no matter what they do, the worst they can expect is to be confined to a cell where they have all of their costs paid for them for the rest of their life. Shoot some guy on the street? Try to beat the high score in a school? Why not? They won't kill me no matter what I do.


That just seems like flawed reasoning to me.

But to some prisoners, it would actually be worse to be locked up in that cell for the rest of their life without the possibility of parole. Numerous capital murder trials have involved the defendant asking to be put to death or waiving his appeals so he can get an execution date.

[gamb]

They should make every prison in the sky and each cell has a trap door. The death row prisoners do not know the date which the trap door opens.

Who's up for it?

[DasPhilosopher]

i agree, a nice 12 guage shotgun...RIGHT IN THE MOUTH. force them to cry in tears and blow their brain out. im outraged as a tax payer

[moneybrah]

Yeah, cause rehabilitation works so well.

"Most former convicts were rearrested shortly after getting out of prison: 30 percent within six months, 44 percent within a year, 59 percent within two years and 67 percent by the end of three years."


and I see our methods are just as successful. ...

http://www.crimeinamerica.net/2010/0...incarceration/


edit^ seek professional help...

[BurningWolf]

Or perhaps gladiatorial combat?

Let them fight a wild boar bare handed

Wasn't there a movie similar to this? "Gamer" I think, inmate was used as a character in a FPS.

Yeah, cause rehabilitation works so well.

Didn't it work for varg vikernes?

[Coexistence]

They should make every prison in the sky and each cell has a trap door. The death row prisoners do not know the date which the trap door opens.

Who's up for it?

Somewhat reminds me of this...

[Muneyy]

Didn't it work for varg vikernes?

No clue who that is. I'm not saying it never works, but it's rare that it does. Obviously there is a chance (i know a couple people who've been in prison and lead a good life now)

[SigmundFreud]

What's up with people wanting bad guys to rot in prison? The point of prison is to remove harmful people from society. Once the bad guy is dead it won't matter whether he was locked up for 5 years or 100 years because he is dead and will not be able to care. Torturing a bad guy until he is dead only satisfies the torturer's emotions. That said, I would not want to be tortured.

[MrLL]

in my opinion nobody should be punished with death in the first place! i´m a law student and been arguing about death penalty for most f the last 3 years! if a country chooses to punish somebody to death it should be the most human way of dying and that is the lethal injection

*******.

So someone who murdered innocents, children, women, good, honest, hardworking men, doesn't deserve to die?

I believe the exact opposite. People who deserve to die do not only just deserve to die, they deserve to be tortured to death.

If they are truly, 110% undeniably insane, just kill them quick and easy. They've already suffered, I guess.

Why protect one terrible person from pain, when they have caused inconceivable pain to their victims and their families?

But to some prisoners, it would actually be worse to be locked up in that cell for the rest of their life without the possibility of parole. Numerous capital murder trials have involved the defendant asking to be put to death or waiving his appeals so he can get an execution date.

And this is why they should be tortured by default. No tax payer money supporting them everyday of their lives. No easy, painless, guilt free death.

i really hope you change you view what people "deserve" as you get older bro

srs

My god. Would neg irl. Will neg here on rc.

[gamb]

Charter a chopper and drop them in shark infested waters. If they beat off the sharks and can swim the hundred miles to shore, they get to live.

this is seeming more and more like deathrace or the condemned lmao.

But what do I care, im not going to go out and get a death sentence.

[MrLL]

death penalty debates rustle the living fuk out of me.

brb don't kill them, they're human too!
brb they don't deserve pain
brb im a liberal *******, or at least a clueless, idealistic utopian strong unaware *******
brb i live on a rainbow where everyone is equal and deserves respect
brb life in prison is worse!
brb who cares that our tax money supports them
brb inhumane
brb brb brb brb