DMT/Dimethyltriptamine as crazy as it's made out to be? (Srs)

[momo5]

inb4 op makes himself insane and gets locked up in a padded room.

[TheAdlerian]

What about people that believe in their literal dreams they have at night? They must be some loons right? Crazy dumbasses.

What do you think about people who believe in the dreams they had?

[TheAdlerian]

oh rly

tell us more about how the ego is an outdate concept.




you sound like a retard. i only wish you would put ur face to your posts.

We've having an adult discussion, and you are not capable.

[TheAdlerian]

I get plenty of clarity on a hallucinogen, what I see is very different to real life but I'm still myself in there, just without an ego. Also you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Plenty of drugs give you clarity, amphetamines are made solely for clarity.

Okay Tommy.

You can rename the drug class "Hallucinogens" to something involving "Clarity" because clearly the name of the drug class is wrong.

[montecarlo]

Lol this guy. You clearly have never touched anything in your life and live through experiencing things as a third party instead of the first. You know nothing and will forever know nothing. I feel sorry for you man. Serious.

will get you on r/c tomorrow brah.

[Condyle]

It's all that and more. It's like the peak of an acid trip condensed into around 10min, although time hasn't a lot of meaning. The substance itself is fascinating, but I'm sure Spirit Molecule filled you in on most of that.

You hit it, hold and breathe out and it's coming on before you finish exhaling. You know when you'd press your fingers into your eyes as a kid for all those crazy colours? The visuals come on exactly like that. Exactly. Then it shifts and reforms and hardens into kaleidoscopic flower-like patterns that leave you speechless. This is the extent of the experience with a suboptimal dose of 20-35mg. Once you step up to 50mg, you burst through those patterns into a different world, something quite unique among psychedelics. Terrence McKenna called DMT the touchstone of all psychadelics, and for good reason. It's the best of the best as far as visuals go. Truly immersive.

The unique aspects of the experience include the fact you don't feel high at all. In fact, you're sharp and on the ball. Unless you hit a huge amount you're always aware you've had DMT, unlike acid or dissociatives such as daytura. You are just in a crazy new world - it's been compared to being dropped into the middle of Times Square on New Years' Eve.

The experience is also unique in that there is a definite feeling of a concrete reality you have slipped into, rather than projections of your own ego or enhancements on your mortal plane. The feeling is the DMT space (called hyperspace by the heads) is always there and DMT lets you take a peek. This to me is unique. There is always a feeling of an othered intelligence, usually female for most users, who is pleased to see you and is keen to impress you. Sounds odd, but there you have it.

It metabolises directly into serotonin, so when you come down you're blissed out and happy.

The substance does not like to be sold or misused and will punish you for transgressions. Do not take it to get high. Take it for insight. Misuse it and you'll wish you hadn't.

A unique substance, co-incidentally one carbon atom away from psylocin, the active ingredient in shrooms. Yes, the two play veeeery well together.

[Buckley50]

Can we start talking about DMT again?

This is such an interesting topic and this is 4 pages of arguing about whose smarter about stupid chit.

Cmon' misc.

[TheAdlerian]

Lol this guy. You clearly have never touched anything in your life and live through experiencing things as a third party instead of the first. You know nothing and will forever know nothing. I feel sorry for you man. Serious.

Right.

That's right because I'm describing hallucinogens for what they are instead of the fantasy promoted by some video.

Clearly it was aliens.jpeg

[NWDub]

What do you think about people who believe in the dreams they had?

I don't judge them. If they want to take an experience and give their life meaning because of it, power to them. As long as what they are doing doesn't negatively impact other people, why judge them and call them crazy? If someone has a dream and when they wake up, realize that the events in the dream opened their eyes to a negative attribute in their personality and they act on it to fix it, is it bad? People have changed their lives because of a powerful dream they had, these substances do the same thing. Instead of waiting for that dream to come on a random night, taken in the right setting, you can get the same kind of scenario. Is that a bad thing?

[TheAdlerian]

Can we start talking about DMT again?

This is such an interesting topic and this is 4 pages of arguing about whose smarter about stupid chit.

Cmon' misc.

I came in wanting to discuss the video the OP asked about.

I mean serious, they were saying the without doubt they were communicating with transdimensional beings! That's the same sales pitch as the "aliens" guy from the history channel.

[Tom117]

Right.

That's right because I'm describing hallucinogens for what they are instead of the fantasy promoted by some video.

Clearly it was aliens.jpeg

No1 here is talking about the aliens being a literal real thing, pls stop derailing the thread.

[TheAdlerian]

I don't judge them. If they want to take an experience and give their life meaning because of it, power to them. As long as what they are doing doesn't negatively impact other people, why judge them and call them crazy? If someone has a dream and when they wake up, realize that the events in the dream opened their eyes to a negative attribute in their personality and they act on it to fix it, is it bad? People have changed their lives because of a powerful dream they had, these substances do the same thing. Instead of waiting for that dream to come on a random night, taken in the right setting, you can get the same kind of scenario. Is that a bad thing?

Okay, well I used to have a client who believed I was the devil, mentally raping him in his sleep, and he wanted to slit my throat.

Would you judge that dude if you were me?

[TheSithLord]

^incredibly insit on DMT up there

[NWDub]

Right.

That's right because I'm describing hallucinogens for what they are instead of the fantasy promoted by some video.

Clearly it was aliens.jpeg

I like how you never answered my question, by your definition, people who believe in dreams are crazy. You seem to be the crazy one then, since you would essentially think everyone is crazy.

[TheAdlerian]

No1 here is talking about the aliens being a literal real thing, pls stop derailing the thread.

DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO THE OP MENTIONED?

That's what the thread is about, he asks about the experiences the people talked about in the vid, which is on Netflix now.

I said, it's just another drug to hallucinate and there are no aliens.

[NWDub]

Okay, well I used to have a client who believed I was the devil, mentally raping him in his sleep, and he wanted to slit my throat.

Would you judge that dude if you were me?

Is that positively or negatively impacting them/you?

[TheAdlerian]

I like how you never answered my question, by your definition, people who believe in dreams are crazy. You seem to be the crazy one then, since you would essentially think everyone is crazy.

Okay, bro.

[Tom117]

DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO THE OP MENTIONED?

That's what the thread is about, he asks about the experiences the people talked about in the vid, which is on Netflix now.

I said, it's just another drug to hallucinate and there are no aliens.

Just cause he talks about aliens doesn't mean its necessarily a literal real entity. And if he thinks it is who knows, its an interesting theory at the very least, and not really provable.

[montecarlo]

I came in wanting to discuss the video the OP asked about.

I mean serious, they were saying the without doubt they were communicating with transdimensional beings! That's the same sales pitch as the "aliens" guy from the history channel.

lol can't really debate it if you haven't experienced it for yourself...

[ChorizoFit]

I don't judge them. If they want to take an experience and give their life meaning because of it, power to them. As long as what they are doing doesn't negatively impact other people, why judge them and call them crazy? If someone has a dream and when they wake up, realize that the events in the dream opened their eyes to a negative attribute in their personality and they act on it to fix it, is it bad? People have changed their lives because of a powerful dream they had, these substances do the same thing. Instead of waiting for that dream to come on a random night, taken in the right setting, you can get the same kind of scenario. Is that a bad thing?

This.

Don't see how or why this guy is getting so upset with people having different beliefs than his. The topic is obviously controversial, borderline religious/pseudo-scientific, don't see why (Adlerian) speaks as if he knows truth.

[NWDub]

lol can't really debate it if you haven't experienced it for yourself...

This. Once you have a psychedelic experience, you understand what everyone is talking about. It's indescribable, but your life is never the same after, granted you have a proper experience. The best definition of it is in the movie The Matrix and how once you leave the Matrix, you can never go back. I will never go back to the way I was, but the funny thing is, I can't tell you what that was. I know i'm more open minded after than I was before. I have more empathy, if I weren't so tired I would explain it better.

[montecarlo]

This. Once you have a psychedelic experience, you understand what everyone is talking about. It's indescribable, but your life is never the same after, granted you have a proper experience. The best definition of it is in the movie The Matrix and how once you leave the Matrix, you can never go back. I will never go back to the way I was, but the funny thing is, I can't tell you what that was. I know i'm more open minded after than I was before. I have more empathy, if I weren't so tired I would explain it better.

couldn't have said it much better.

[WheyTooDiesel]

It's all that and more. It's like the peak of an acid trip condensed into around 10min, although time hasn't a lot of meaning. The substance itself is fascinating, but I'm sure Spirit Molecule filled you in on most of that.

You hit it, hold and breathe out and it's coming on before you finish exhaling. You know when you'd press your fingers into your eyes as a kid for all those crazy colours? The visuals come on exactly like that. Exactly. Then it shifts and reforms and hardens into kaleidoscopic flower-like patterns that leave you speechless. This is the extent of the experience with a suboptimal dose of 20-35mg. Once you step up to 50mg, you burst through those patterns into a different world, something quite unique among psychedelics. Terrence McKenna called DMT the touchstone of all psychadelics, and for good reason. It's the best of the best as far as visuals go. Truly immersive.

The unique aspects of the experience include the fact you don't feel high at all. In fact, you're sharp and on the ball. Unless you hit a huge amount you're always aware you've had DMT, unlike acid or dissociatives such as daytura. You are just in a crazy new world - it's been compared to being dropped into the middle of Times Square on New Years' Eve.

The experience is also unique in that there is a definite feeling of a concrete reality you have slipped into, rather than projections of your own ego or enhancements on your mortal plane. The feeling is the DMT space (called hyperspace by the heads) is always there and DMT lets you take a peek. This to me is unique. There is always a feeling of an othered intelligence, usually female for most users, who is pleased to see you and is keen to impress you. Sounds odd, but there you have it.

It metabolises directly into serotonin, so when you come down you're blissed out and happy.

The substance does not like to be sold or misused and will punish you for transgressions. Do not take it to get high. Take it for insight. Misuse it and you'll wish you hadn't.

A unique substance, co-incidentally one carbon atom away from psylocin, the active ingredient in shrooms. Yes, the two play veeeery well together.

Well said my friend. I have launched on DMT before and when I came down, I felt a very real understanding of myself. I'm not saying my progression as a human being is from DMT alone but DMT has played a role in it.

TheAdlerian, stop trolling dude. It was funny at first but now you're just being a moran.

[Condyle]

And just to expand on my rundown (post #135), DMT melts at 50C and vaporises at 70C. f you burn it you ruin it - DMT must be vapourised. Missed hits are common for new users. The easiest way is to take a waterpipe, put a layer of your chosen smokable, a layer of DMT, and a final layer of smokable. This stops the flame from directly touching the DMT. It's best to use a torch lighter. The BEST way to take it is to stuff a conepiece *tight* with steel wool, then pluck that wool out and expose it to open flame, preferably that of a torch lighter. Toast it good to rid it of any coatings etc. What's left is stainless steel and it is safe to use. Sprinkle DMT on top, and again use a torch lighter to vapourise it. The DMT melts and the steel wool catches everything (nothing pulls through). Some people use a glass pipe but I never bothered with that.

[Tom117]

thats only if you make solid crystals? how about the liquid form or whatever? whats the best way

I'd say the safest and best way would be to go to a shaman and have him make you a brew. They are very experienced with the drug and they stay with you to make sure you don't have a bad trip or do anything stupid. Although this isn't very practical you have to travel, but if you are worried about smoking you can make a tea out of it.

[Condyle]

thats only if you make solid crystals? how about the liquid form or whatever? whats the best way

I've never heard of it in liquid form except for the shaman brews. You definitely can't ingest it - you need to take an MAOI for it to be orally active. It comes as small pale yellow crushed crystal in its base form. There may be a liquid form, but this would be orally active and probably mixed with an MAOI. MAOIs are not to be trifled with. You cannot drink red wine or eat aged cheese when on MAOIS (100 per cent srs). You might die.

Crushed crystal is where it's at.

[ChorizoFit]

This. Once you have a psychedelic experience, you understand what everyone is talking about. It's indescribable, but your life is never the same after, granted you have a proper experience. The best definition of it is in the movie The Matrix and how once you leave the Matrix, you can never go back. I will never go back to the way I was, but the funny thing is, I can't tell you what that was. I know i'm more open minded after than I was before. I have more empathy, if I weren't so tired I would explain it better.

What really amazes me most; I've never experienced psychedelics. However, I do a lot of yoga, read a lot of philosophy/psychology, eckhart tolle, dalai lama, miguel ruiz, tons of others, and I feel a sense of familiarity with this concept. This feeling of empathy/connectedness, which most religions have underlying themes for, or The "Collective Unconscious" as, Carl Jung would put it is truly what blows me away. The coincidences between these is just too much to dismiss imo.

[montecarlo]

What really amazes me most; I've never experienced psychedelics. However, I do a lot of yoga, read a lot of philosophy/psychology, eckhart tolle, dalai lama, miguel ruiz, tons of others, and I feel a sense of familiarity with this concept. This feeling of empathy/connectedness, which most religions have underlying themes for, or The "Collective Unconscious" as, Carl Jung would put it is truly what blows me away. The coincidences between these is just too much to dismiss imo.

imo you need a heavy dose of mushrooms to go along with that

[stratoo]

I've smoked a lot of DMT. Multiple times a day and everyday for a while. I'm fairly certain that's the place you go to when you die. I got the impression I am not supposed to be there yet and that I should not be having "fun" with it. Definitely beats all my other psychedelic substance experiences.

DMT actually takes you to another place that feels so real... Even more real than the reality we are currently experiencing. It felt like I had been there before. Once I got there it was like "oh ****, of course. I knew it all along, how could I have forgotten?". And when you're back from the trip you're not sure what the **** it was you just experienced. It's almost like you want to forget it or it's too hard to hold it in.

You are better off not knowing/experiencing some things. I'll leave it at that. For every answer you get you'll have 10 more questions. I'd say I experienced a great deal of pain and trauma for the "knowledge" I got. Not sure if it has enriched my life in any way. You wont be taking life as seriously after doing DMT. Maybe even look forward to death. Similar to lsd and weed it helps you see through the rat race. It could be that when you come back you wont feel like staying in the uni anymore or working your ass off to buy that expensive car. It can totally change you.

[NWDub]

What really amazes me most; I've never experienced psychedelics. However, I do a lot of yoga, read a lot of philosophy/psychology, eckhart tolle, dalai lama, miguel ruiz, tons of others, and I feel a sense of familiarity with this concept. This feeling of empathy/connectedness, which most religions have underlying themes for, or The "Collective Unconscious" as, Carl Jung would put it is truly what blows me away. The coincidences between these is just too much to dismiss imo.

Joe Rogan and I belive others have said that you can get that 'high' or psychedelic feeling from doing some intense yoga. Especially meditation after/during. I've been working on both because I have more time on my hands right now.