Layne Norton sueing Ice Cream fitness?

[necon76]

Brb can't find a job so I'll make youtube videos.

But you already tried that.

[Icicle]

LOL at you guys getting all mad about this

[gymjunki3]

LOL at you guys getting all mad about this

this

srsly not a single phuck was given from me.

[BigChamp89]

Brb can't find a job so I'll make youtube videos.

pretty sure jason has stated he is well off enough that he doesnt need a full time job and makes enough money from youtube and investments

strong anger

[BigChamp89]

Jason is trolling hardcore, and I'm amazed that this is going over people's heads. If Layne was not upset about this, I wouldn't think anything of it. There's no way these vids - or any vid Jason can make - can discredit Layne. For fck's sake, it's the comedic trolling opinion of Jason, who is a random Youtuber in the big picture. Layne should take this as a fkcing compliment & I'm sticking by that. Cuddle that, b!tch.

i think its hilarious how easily jason pisses off people and brings the inner whiny 5 year old out of them

[Lvisaa2]

pretty sure jason has stated he is well off enough that he doesnt need a full time job and makes enough money from youtube and investments

strong anger

You do realize he was on disability until pretty recently, right? And iirc, he's just on a trial period break since his channel has brought in enough money that he no longer qualifies. So yes, Ven's statement was actually correct. He couldn't have a job so he started a YT channel. But that would require you to actually know Jason before this instead of just suckle on whatever he feeds you. The funny thing is that all the fanboys who come in here usually know substantially less about Jason than we do. We interacted with him daily for a long while. Most would have considered him at least a friend. I still don't necessarily dislike Jason, I just disagree with how he conducts himself. Every turn he puts on a whichever hat makes him the most money. That's fine, but at a certain point you end up contradicting yourself and destroying everything you originally stood for. I'd respect his channel more if he'd stuck with spreading info and trying to bring the community together. Now it seems like quite the opposite

[greekmanman]

*badum pstchhhhh*

[SkydogGinsberg]

I still don't necessarily dislike Jason, I just disagree with how he conducts himself. Every turn he puts on a whichever hat makes him the most money. That's fine, but at a certain point you end up contradicting yourself and destroying everything you originally stood for. I'd respect his channel more if he'd stuck with spreading info and trying to bring the community together.

That's one of the most important things about 'viewership'. When you're solid, you never know who's giving you solid reco's that help build up the message. That's why an example of Alan being so relatively 'low key' works. When you start getting stupid, it repels the "Silent Solid" and attracts some of higher "vocal volume", but lower value.

From regular observance of the WP section, for example, there's far fewer reco's from the solid veteran contributors there, as of the past some months when he started getting away from the original content purpose. What used to be "go do ICF" evolves into "go back to SL, add some accessories because that's all it was anyway...".

[ParsonBrown]

pretty sure jason has stated he doesnt need a full time job and makes enough money from government welfare.

I thought this was all he did before he got hired by YouTube? Either way...we the people have been paying his salary...

[psychodiver9]

That's one of the most important things about 'viewership'. When you're solid, you never know who's giving you solid reco's that help build up the message. That's why an example of Alan being so relatively 'low key' works. When you start getting stupid, it repels the "Silent Solid" and attracts some of higher "vocal volume", but lower value.

From regular observance of the WP section, for example, there's far fewer reco's from the solid veteran contributors there, as of the past some months when he started getting away from the original content purpose. What used to be "go do ICF" evolves into "go back to SL, add some accessories because that's all it was anyway...".

Lol at comparing AA to Jdb. You realize alan actually has a degree in the field, credentials, and done the research/written books that give Jason the info he is spewing in ********?

[lee__d]

You do realize he was on disability until pretty recently, right? And iirc, he's just on a trial period break since his channel has brought in enough money that he no longer qualifies. So yes, Ven's statement was actually correct. He couldn't have a job so he started a YT channel. But that would require you to actually know Jason before this instead of just suckle on whatever he feeds you. The funny thing is that all the fanboys who come in here usually know substantially less about Jason than we do. We interacted with him daily for a long while. Most would have considered him at least a friend. I still don't necessarily dislike Jason, I just disagree with how he conducts himself. Every turn he puts on a whichever hat makes him the most money. That's fine, but at a certain point you end up contradicting yourself and destroying everything you originally stood for. I'd respect his channel more if he'd stuck with spreading info and trying to bring the community together. Now it seems like quite the opposite

someone's roid raging

[l2ambo]

Jason is fking looney tunes. srs.

[Linzzz]

loony plz

[SkydogGinsberg]

Lol at comparing AA to Jdb. You realize alan actually has a degree in the field, credentials, and done the research/written books that give Jason the info he is spewing in ********?

I was talking about "approach" -- credentials aside, approach makes all the difference -- and it was more "contrast" rather than compare.

[SumDumGoi]

I was talking about "approach" -- credentials aside, approach makes all the difference -- and it was more "contrast" rather than compare.

I agree with you that the approach makes a difference. Whenever I hear Alan discuss a topic I can see his education and insight. You can tell that he has actually researched the topic and knows what he is talking about. But to contrast his approach to that of Layne, I never get the same feeling. Whenever I hear Layne discussing a topic it always seems that he has to work his credentials into the argument instead of directly discussing the topic and the relevant research that has been done. I see him often times playing fast and loose with the facts, especially when it comes to the applications of his own research, and I no longer see an intelligent person in the field, but rather someone who is on much the same level of the other youtube fitness gurus such as Jason DB.

[illiniStrive]

loony plz

[themonkay]

So....which one of you is next to make a youtube channel to regurgitate info from lyle, alan, and others?

[naturalguy]

I agree with you that the approach makes a difference. Whenever I hear Alan discuss a topic I can see his education and insight. You can tell that he has actually researched the topic and knows what he is talking about. But to contrast his approach to that of Layne, I never get the same feeling. Whenever I hear Layne discussing a topic it always seems that he has to work his credentials into the argument instead of directly discussing the topic and the relevant research that has been done. I see him often times playing fast and loose with the facts, especially when it comes to the applications of his own research, and I no longer see an intelligent person in the field, but rather someone who is on much the same level of the other youtube fitness gurus such as Jason DB.

That is laughable

[SumDumGoi]

That is laughable

All of his positions are centered around him in some way reminding everyone that he has a PhD. He doesn't present the facts and research as much as he says that he has a PhD and therefore you should listen to him. Then when you combine that with how I said previously he plays "fast and loose" with the data he begins to undercut much of his own credibility in my opinion. His presentation just makes him another youtube fitness guru.

[NorthStrong]

Nordstrom sounds almost like NorthStrong so maybe I'm not natural?

[illiniStrive]

Nordstrom sounds almost like NorthStrong so maybe I'm not natural?

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[germaine07]

I see him often times playing fast and loose with the facts, especially when it comes to the applications of his own research, and I no longer see an intelligent person in the field, but rather someone who is on much the same level of the other youtube fitness gurus such as Jason DB.

I don't necessarily always agree with Layne and think he interprets some data in a way to favour his stance, but I have to disagree with that statement. He's still a very intelligent guy and way beyond the level of youtube fitness gurus.

[ErickStevens]

All of his positions are centered around him in some way reminding everyone that he has a PhD. He doesn't present the facts and research as much as he says that he has a PhD and therefore you should listen to him. Then when you combine that with how I said previously he plays "fast and loose" with the data he begins to undercut much of his own credibility in my opinion. His presentation just makes him another youtube fitness guru.

You went full retard. Never go full retard.

[naturalguy]

You went full retard. Never go full retard.

This ^^^^^

[Makween]

I don't really watch many of Jason's videos because there's something genuinely creepy about him (even his phucking voice creeps me out), but I find it funny that people are sticking up for him by saying Layne always mentions his PhD (and in one of Jason's videos that I did watch Jason did the same). Every video I've watched with Jason talking about nutrition has involved him saying 'people who disagree with me don't understand nutrition, I've studied it at university' without him ever specifying what courses he's studied or what qualifications he has, so why aren't people getting butthurt over that rather than Layne sometimes mentioning that he legitimately is very highly qualified in the area? Just seems like jealousy on Jason's part too.

I'm not saying Layne's faultless or that I totally agree with everything he says, but in terms both of qualifications and actually putting out material which is original Jason isn't even in the same league as him (which isn't even to say that Jason's channel is entirely without merit).

[Lvisaa2]

I don't really watch many of Jason's videos because there's something genuinely creepy about him (even his phucking voice creeps me out), but I find it funny that people are sticking up for him by saying Layne always mentions his PhD (and in one of Jason's videos that I did watch Jason did the same). Every video I've watched with Jason talking about nutrition has involved him saying 'people who disagree with me don't understand nutrition, I've studied it at university' without him ever specifying what courses he's studied or what qualifications he has, so why aren't people getting butthurt over that rather than Layne sometimes mentioning that he legitimately is very highly qualified in the area? Just seems like jealousy on Jason's part too.

I'm not saying Layne's faultless or that I totally agree with everything he says, but in terms both of qualifications and actually putting out material which is original Jason isn't even in the same league as him (which isn't even to say that Jason's channel is entirely without merit).

Or how much nutrition has changed since when he was actually taking classes. When Jason came to this forum he was very 'bro' so whether he took a nutrition class in the late 80s or not, most of his information was accumulated in this forum or at least during his time here

[Makween]

Or how much nutrition has changed since when he was actually taking classes. When Jason came to this forum he was very 'bro' so whether he took a nutrition class in the late 80s or not, most of his information was accumulated in this forum or at least during his time here

Ah right, I've only been here for about a year so didn't actually realise that.

As I said I don't think that his channel's entirely without merit; even if he is just regurgitating what's in the stickies it is still good information, and if people who are new to or have misconceptions about nutrition have access to a lot of good information in one place then that's probably a good thing (although it might be courteous of him to give credit where it's due). If he was to stick to just doing that rather than trying to improve his own profile by 'rustling jimmies' (at about 40 years of age) then he'd be providing a pretty decent service, the fact that he looks and sounds like a sex offender notwithstanding. Having said that there are plenty of channels putting out the same kind of material as Jason is and comparatively few individuals of Layne's stature posting videos on Youtube, for all that he does have some faults. There's really no comparison between the two of them.

[SumDumGoi]

I don't really watch many of Jason's videos because there's something genuinely creepy about him (even his phucking voice creeps me out), but I find it funny that people are sticking up for him by saying Layne always mentions his PhD (and in one of Jason's videos that I did watch Jason did the same). Every video I've watched with Jason talking about nutrition has involved him saying 'people who disagree with me don't understand nutrition, I've studied it at university' without him ever specifying what courses he's studied or what qualifications he has, so why aren't people getting butthurt over that rather than Layne sometimes mentioning that he legitimately is very highly qualified in the area? Just seems like jealousy on Jason's part too.

I'm not saying Layne's faultless or that I totally agree with everything he says, but in terms both of qualifications and actually putting out material which is original Jason isn't even in the same league as him (which isn't even to say that Jason's channel is entirely without merit).

I'm not sticking up for Jason at all, with the exception that I find his ban here to be unjustified (regardless of whether or not I agree with his views). All I am saying is that it seems as though everyone places Layne on this pedestal because he has a PhD, which is also something that reminds everyone of far too often in his arguments. Last night I watched some podcast that he and another "Dr." were giving regarding training to failure. He gave an explanation of muscle fiber recruitment that was absolutely cringe-worthy, especially considering it was coming from a PhD. His arguments were full of straw men tactics and if looked in greater depth they didn't make the least bit of sense. However, he was more than happy to keep reminding everyone that he was a "dr" and kept claiming that everything he was saying was "science". And keep in mind, I agreed with his conclusions regarding failure training, it was just that his explanations regarding the "science" were atrocious.

Given that I find Layne to be intellectually dishonest in his arguments, does that mean that I agree with Jason's views? No, it doesn't. Like others have pointed out I just think that he often regurgitates stuff that he learned on these boards in his videos.

[Makween]

I'm not sticking up for Jason at all, with the exception that I find his ban here to be unjustified (regardless of whether or not I agree with his views). All I am saying is that it seems as though everyone places Layne on this pedestal because he has a PhD, which is also something that reminds everyone of far too often in his arguments. Last night I watched some podcast that he and another "Dr." were giving regarding training to failure. He gave an explanation of muscle fiber recruitment that was absolutely cringe-worthy, especially considering it was coming from a PhD. His arguments were full of straw men tactics and if looked in greater depth they didn't make the least bit of sense. However, he was more than happy to keep reminding everyone that he was a "dr" and kept claiming that everything he was saying was "science". And keep in mind, I agreed with his conclusions regarding failure training, it was just that his explanations regarding the "science" were atrocious.

Given that I find Layne to be intellectually dishonest in his arguments, does that mean that I agree with Jason's views? No, it doesn't. Like others have pointed out I just think that he often regurgitates stuff that he learned on these boards in his videos.

In that case I'm not convinced that there's actually a great deal of disagreement between us as I'd tend to agree that Layne doesn't always come across well, but I'd say Jason's guilty of doing the exact same thing in going on about his educational background when he has nothing on Layne from that point of view. So if people think Layne brings up his PhD too much then that's fair enough, but for Jason himself to use that against him is pretty hypocritical on his part.

Basically neither of them are doing themselves any favours here, but I think that on the whole Layne does bring a great deal of value to the online fitness community whereas Jason isn't doing anything that other channels aren't doing better. As far as Jason's ban on here goes I actually have no opinion because I haven't seen the specific posts that he got banned for and I don't really care anyway.

[omegax9000]

for this video apperently



7 hours ago ·
Lame Nordstrom is publically looking for a lawyer in the UK now... so for now there are no pictures up in the Spotting A Fake Natural Part 3. Just letting my subscribers know. The video will be staying up and should he attempt to go to court I'll win. If he was a real man he would contact me and discuss his grievance.


@BioLayne: I have a few legal questions, any attorneys out there? Promise I will be brief. Preferably a UK attorney, thanks!

interdasting.. discuss

God this dude is a sad kunt hed rather make a 20 min video talking about other ppl than share his experience and try to help others