Layne Norton sueing Ice Cream fitness?

[brendbro]

layne seems like a cool dude.

y u do dis jason

[cashy89]

I don't know if layne is natty or not only he knows... but thinking about stuff like lance armstrong passing EVERY drug test he ever took makes it suspicious and I would doubt EVERY 6'3" 260lb 10% bf NFL linebacker... obviously juicing despite tests... yeah apples to oranges but whatever.

I'm 6'6, 250lbs and sub 14% bf ... I've been training and eating right for just over 3.5 months after a 2.5 year lay off due to Post viral illness and fatigue. I'm still weak as **** - as I get stronger, I'll get bigger. Why can't a professional athlete with years of consistent training and specialised coaching get to 260lbs at 6'3 and 10% bf, naturally, when being big, fast, strong is their career? Yet you are prepared to "doubt" "every" person who achieves that?

[WonderPug]

Why can't a professional athlete with years of consistent training and specialised coaching get to 260lbs at 6'3 and 10% bf, naturally, when being big, fast, strong is their career?

Because reaching a FFMI of ~30 naturally is not obtainable.

~25 is the limit.

[Cakes89]

I'm 6'6, 250lbs and sub 14% bf ... I've been training and eating right for just over 3.5 months after a 2.5 year lay off due to Post viral illness and fatigue. I'm still weak as **** - as I get stronger, I'll get bigger. Why can't a professional athlete with years of consistent training and specialised coaching get to 260lbs at 6'3 and 10% bf, naturally, when being big, fast, strong is their career? Yet you are prepared to "doubt" "every" person who achieves that?

Dam ur dense.

6-6 250 n ur like 20% body fat in your avi sorry bub.

Middle line backers who average 6-1 240lbs. These guys were that size as college sophomores/juniors. U don't attain that much mass natty combined with 4.5-4.6 forty speed dude.

Sure there are natural athletes in all sports but there are many who aren't.

Lol look at Ryan braun hardly looks like he lifts but was using peds.

[cashy89]

Dam ur dense.

6-6 250 n ur like 20% body fat in your avi sorry bub.

Middle line backers who average 6-1 240lbs. These guys were that size as college sophomores/juniors. U don't attain that much mass natty combined with 4.5-4.6 forty speed dude.

Sure there are natural athletes in all sports but there are many who aren't.

Lol look at Ryan braun hardly looks like he lifts but was using peds.

lol when you first said dense, I thought you were talking "musculature". Haha but fair enough. I'll provide you with a nice detailed response as a show of good faith .

Confirmed 15.8% in the "avi" (dexa), I feel way too fat to lie about that - I am pinch tested every 7-14 days, and have a dexa scans once per month - in just under 4 months I we have recorded an average quantifiable variation of -1.79% between pinch tests and dexa, but (in the interests of maintaining a proven photographic log of tested body anthropometrica) I have only correlated body composition "photos" with the dexa scans. I have computerised copies of the reports that I can forward on to you so you can make the comparison between 1x iPhone photo, and the scientific evaluation of my body composition, bub - it may help to improve your accuracy in the future (although assessing bf% from a single, front on torso shot is always going to be a challenging skill). So in short, currently 13.9% (calipers) and in 8 days I'll have a caliper test in conjunction with my fourth dexa . So, in respect to me lying about my admittedly tremendously unimpressive body composition - smd - because it's not something I've "felt" out for myself, it's something I've had periodically and independently assessed within a controlled environment.

Finally (and on track for the first time), the simultaneous presence of tremendous agility, speed, power etc - I didn't mention.

In fact, the only POINT I actually alluded to - you ****ing agreed with?!

"Sure, there are natural athletes in all sports..." : that was the EXACT premise of my original response - that not EVERY professional athlete at 6'3, 260lbs and 10% body fat AUTOMATICALLY qualifies as 'guilty' of steroid use. I used my body composition as an example, of a less than striking physique, obtainable naturally, and with a very inconsistent pattern of training and nutrition in recent times (I have a background as an elite athlete - I usually try and work that in somewhere).

The only point you actually make, "that many are not" - I totally agree with - and what a tremendously arbitrary point it is (really?! Are there enhanced athletes in professional sports?!)

Now, I'm prepared to accept that I am somewhat naive - as I'm not very familiar with US sports or US athletes, and in my experience - steroids APPEAR to be much less overt within Australian competition - so I apologise if my response was not totally appropriate to the example of your average linebacker in the NFL.

At the end of the day, my original point remains; somewhere, in the world right now, there are individuals - likely very dedicated professional athletes - with a body composition comparable to 6'3 260lbs 10%, who are natural. Maybe I'm wrong?! But comparing it to my anecdotal experience, it doesn't seem outside the realms of possibility, or even plausibility.

Hopefully this has ironed out your vehement objections somewhat.

Peace

[cashy89]

I guess an athlete I was thinking of is a guy named Petero Civoniceva - a rugby league legend. He is a confirmed 6'4 (kind of, I met him with my 6'4 brother and they were essentially the same height). He reportedly weighed 116kg, which is, what, 260 lbs virtually? I think. And he had a fully defined "six pack" year round (he was renowned for it, as it's uncommon for players in his position to be quite that lean). So very anecdotal, but I'd assume his bf% was getting close to 10? A guy called Sam Burgess, is meant to be 6'5 and 112kg, his trainers report that he has dropped to 8% body fat this season. If these guys were on the gear, (maybe they are), it would be very shocking to Australians as they have both enjoyed long careers with, reportedly, clean drugs tests too numerous to count! Hopefully this demonstrates where I'm coming from when I have these thoughts about natural human capacity

[Lvisaa2]

lol when you first said dense, I thought you were talking "musculature". Haha but fair enough. I'll provide you with a nice detailed response as a show of good faith .

Confirmed 15.8% in the "avi" (dexa), I feel way too fat to lie about that - I am pinch tested every 7-14 days, and have a dexa scans once per month - in just under 4 months I we have recorded an average quantifiable variation of -1.79% between pinch tests and dexa, but (in the interests of maintaining a proven photographic log of tested body anthropometrica) I have only correlated body composition "photos" with the dexa scans. I have computerised copies of the reports that I can forward on to you so you can make the comparison between 1x iPhone photo, and the scientific evaluation of my body composition, bub - it may help to improve your accuracy in the future (although assessing bf% from a single, front on torso shot is always going to be a challenging skill). So in short, currently 13.9% (calipers) and in 8 days I'll have a caliper test in conjunction with my fourth dexa . So, in respect to me lying about my admittedly tremendously unimpressive body composition - smd - because it's not something I've "felt" out for myself, it's something I've had periodically and independently assessed within a controlled environment.

Finally (and on track for the first time), the simultaneous presence of tremendous agility, speed, power etc - I didn't mention.

In fact, the only POINT I actually alluded to - you ****ing agreed with?!

"Sure, there are natural athletes in all sports..." : that was the EXACT premise of my original response - that not EVERY professional athlete at 6'3, 260lbs and 10% body fat AUTOMATICALLY qualifies as 'guilty' of steroid use. I used my body composition as an example, of a less than striking physique, obtainable naturally, and with a very inconsistent pattern of training and nutrition in recent times (I have a background as an elite athlete - I usually try and work that in somewhere).

The only point you actually make, "that many are not" - I totally agree with - and what a tremendously arbitrary point it is (really?! Are there enhanced athletes in professional sports?!)

Now, I'm prepared to accept that I am somewhat naive - as I'm not very familiar with US sports or US athletes, and in my experience - steroids APPEAR to be much less overt within Australian competition - so I apologise if my response was not totally appropriate to the example of your average linebacker in the NFL.

At the end of the day, my original point remains; somewhere, in the world right now, there are individuals - likely very dedicated professional athletes - with a body composition comparable to 6'3 260lbs 10%, who are natural. Maybe I'm wrong?! But comparing it to my anecdotal experience, it doesn't seem outside the realms of possibility, or even plausibility.

Hopefully this has ironed out your vehement objections somewhat.

Peace

You do realize this hypothetical lineback has almost the same LBM as you do total weight at 3 inches shorter, right? Let that sink in for a minute and maybe you'll truly realize how ridiculous of a statement that is. PEDs are everywhere in sports. Period. They make their money off their bodies and performing, that'd actually be stupid not to use every advantage they could. I've actually see a NFL doctor talk about the different cycles and stuff used by the different positions. Even if it isn't huge amounts of stuff, things that help the body recover and function are of utmost importance in a sport where they take an ungodly beating every sunday (then practice nearly the full week). It is funny how blind the average person is when the evidence is mindblowingly obvious

[daniasadz]

It's a sad state of affairs but these guys with their youtube channels nowadays say controversial things to get more views.

Jason sounds very ignorant in this video, sounds like he has no clue about bodybuilding or powerlifting.

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[cashy89]

You do realize this hypothetical lineback has almost the same LBM as you do total weight at 3 inches shorter, right? Let that sink in for a minute and maybe you'll truly realize how ridiculous of a statement that is. PEDs are everywhere in sports. Period. They make their money off their bodies and performing, that'd actually be stupid not to use every advantage they could. I've actually see a NFL doctor talk about the different cycles and stuff used by the different positions. Even if it isn't huge amounts of stuff, things that help the body recover and function are of utmost importance in a sport where they take an ungodly beating every sunday (then practice nearly the full week). It is funny how blind the average person is when the evidence is mindblowingly obvious

Yeah - I understand that is a massive athlete we are referring to, and once again - it seems that (because I don't know **** about the NFL) I didn't realise the extent to which PEDs are used in the sport. I guess I just thought that it's hypothetically possible. What about those rugby league players I mentioned? They are very close to the aforementioned hypothetical physique - does this GUARANTEE that PEDs are rife in Australian rugby league? Because that would be a massive shock...

You're absolutely correct though - when I let it sink in, and do the actual calculations of LBM at 191cm tall, it does look more and more remarkable. I was kind of basing it on "6'3 isn't much shorter than 6'6", 260lbs isn't much more than 246lbs etc, but when you do the calculations - I realise the big difference. At my height, I'd have to be 270+ lbs at 10% ... So yep haha, I get your point.