how long would it take to look like either of these guys

[Crooktele79]

Yeah, I don't think he was that special either, but think about it, in a decade he would have been like 30 and automatically a freak to young girls due to age alone. He would have wasted his prime in the gym and have to settle for milfs or some average fuggos by then. It's all about enjoying your youth (<30). If you haven't enjoyed it, you're ****ed. I am getting pretty close to 30 and I fear it strongly.

He is legit, his life experience with women >>>>> 10000s of average guys lives. He got much more satisfaction out of his short-lived time than 10000000000s of average guys ever will. The only way to experience close to what he did, at a young age, without substances or god tier genetics, is high end escorts that cost $200-250/hr, you can **** 100/year for about $2k a month.

Good luck bro!

[Wadecounty7]

This is definitely a troll thread.

[mm4038]

You're highly unaware of the real world.

I wish that were the case, I wish I could just change a few variables like personality, take some placebo psych pills, and go slay hot young pussy every night, but unfortunately I live in a world of constraints.

[mm4038]

This is definitely a troll thread.

Yeah, wanting to lift and become aesthetic to have a shot at attractive women = troll.

When in reality, every guy here or 80%+ is here for that exact purpose.

[Wadecounty7]

Yeah, wanting to lift and become aesthetic to have a shot at attractive women = troll.

When in reality, every guy here or 80%+ is here for that exact purpose.

The difference is the other people actually post about losing fat.

You complain about being ugly and having to pay escorts.

This is the losing fat forum.

[mm4038]

The difference is the other people actually post about losing fat.

You complain about being ugly and having to pay escorts.

This is the losing fat forum.

Most of my threads are about real information related to my cut which I have detailed without "trolling".

I am not ugly and it's not about "having to pay", it's about having no other way to experience hot young women. The entire value of seeing escorts is derived from getting to experience HOT women, if I just want to have sex I would rather use a fleshlight, it is better than average women. How else can you regularly **** hot blonde girls with blue/green eyes? The answer is never, unless you look like zyzz or have a 8+ male model face

[Crooktele79]

The difference is the other people actually post about losing fat.

You complain about being ugly and having to pay escorts.

This is the losing fat forum.

Maybe he wanted the losing virginity forum??

[csb5731]

Op how about dirtying up some other sub-forum? Maybe the motivation one?

You are making my balls hurt (srs) with your level of patheticism and defeatism.

FKN gross.

[mm4038]

Maybe he wanted the losing virginity forum??

I've already done that, to a 9/10 with blue eyes. At this time I will never even consider average or fat women. 8+ Escorts and porn are the only viable options.

[Crooktele79]

I've already done that, to a 9/10 with blue eyes. At this time I will never even consider average or fat women. 8+ Escorts and porn are the only viable options.

Unless she gave you a freebie that don't count...

[mm4038]

Op how about dirtying up some other sub-forum? Maybe the motivation one?

You are making my balls hurt (srs) with your level of patheticism and defeatism.

FKN gross.

How is it defeatism, if anything, it's reverse psychology as a form of motivation.

I want the same thing that everyone else on this forum wants to achieve.

[mm4038]

Unless she gave you a freebie that don't count...

P in V = all that matters. Also, a major reason I am trying to transform is for hooker pussy. This stuff is gold, I only wish I had discovered it back when I was 18.

[AllApologies]

P in V = all that matters. Also, a major reason I am trying to transform is for hooker pussy. This stuff is gold, I only wish I had discovered it back when I was 18.

You're mistaken.

[csb5731]

How is it defeatism, if anything, it's reverse psychology as a form of motivation.

I want the same thing that everyone else on this forum wants to achieve.

You have bitched and moaned about genetics more than anyone I have ever seen here.

You got fat because you ate a ton of crap and didn't exercise.

You have no muscle because you have never lifted a weight in any intelligent and consistent fashion.

[mm4038]

You're mistaken.

Have a read of this:

http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010...ing-for-sex-1/

BTW, are you slaying any hot girls, what makes you any better than me?

[mm4038]

You have bitched and moaned about genetics more than anyone I have ever seen here.

You got fat because you ate a ton of crap and didn't exercise.

You have no muscle because you have never lifted a weight in any intelligent and consistent fashion.

Yes, but now I have my macros in order and I am lifting almost daily. I'm actually doing what's required.

[Crooktele79]

Yes, but now I have my macros in order and I am lifting almost daily. I'm actually doing what's required.

Then just shut up the bitching and earn your lot in life like the rest of us...so you touched a weight for a week or a month or whatever...big deal!

And I don't care what articles you link or what you say....unless you get laid without having to pay for it you sir are a virgin...I would even place you a tier lower than a standard virgin because at least they still have a little self respect left.

[orangegoblin]

Most of my threads are about real information related to my cut which I have detailed without "trolling".

I am not ugly and it's not about "having to pay", it's about having no other way to experience hot young women. The entire value of seeing escorts is derived from getting to experience HOT women, if I just want to have sex I would rather use a fleshlight, it is better than average women. How else can you regularly **** hot blonde girls with blue/green eyes? The answer is never, unless you look like zyzz or have a 8+ male model face

If you are serious and not trolling:

The reason women don't like you is that you obviously have no respect for them. To you they are simply objects and you obviously hate them. This is evidenced by how you refer to them.

You really whine a lot. STFU and lift. Or don't. Be a man, for God's sake. Do something with your life instead of looking up pictures of male models on the internet and sobbing about them. Cheeezus.

[mm4038]

Then just shut up the bitching and earn your lot in life like the rest of us...so you touched a weight for a week or a month or whatever...big deal!

And I don't care what articles you link or what you say....unless you get laid without having to pay for it you sir are a virgin...I would even place you a tier lower than a standard virgin because at least they still have a little self respect left.

It's funny that everyone here acts like I'm supposed to be getting positive, and you still find a way to make fun of me. Now do you understand why I am like this? It's a catch 22 that you were never part of, so you won't understand and can only look down on me.

[mm4038]

If you are serious and not trolling:

The reason women don't like you is that you obviously have no respect for them. To you they are simply objects and you obviously hate them. This is evidenced by how you refer to them.

You really whine a lot. STFU and lift. Or don't. Be a man, for God's sake. Do something with your life instead of looking up pictures of male models on the internet and sobbing about them. Cheeezus.

BS. I know so many really handsome looking guys who treated women like dog****, even told me a few times things like "most women are retards". Good looking guys see women as meat after they realize that women just throw themselves at them and they are easy. Guess what, the attention they get from women is not stopping any time soon. Other than hair loss and aging, these guys will be slaying till their 30s.

I don't hate them, I just realize that they only gravitate to men with high looks. You wouldn't be here if you had the idea that women are indifferent to a good physique or worse, find a good physique repulsive. Obviously, if women treat you really well all your life, you will love them (or see them as expendable). If you are ignored all your life, you will soon start to see the picture and feel an acute sense of envy and hatred (if you can see through the blue pill BS like confidence and "game").

[mm4038]

looks like I`ve lost 1lb this week from the scale. I am finally starting to make visible progress, my waist is down 1-1.5" in 3 weeks now. I feel alive.

[th3pwn3r]

I had sex without having to pay for it with girls who shouldn't have given me the time of day if we are talking solely about looks...I mean I was told I was a cute fat guy but still bro I was the size of a baby hippo. I'm telling you...it's not about looks. It's your attitude and the way you carry yourself.

A good attitude is a start. However, when you look a certain way you don't even have to try anymore. There's a saying "Don't chase pu$5y, let pu$5y chase you."

Couple of news flashes for you bro...

#1. There are certain substances we aren't allowed to discuss on these forums...I think that's pretty self explanatory.

#2. Zyzz isn't worth looking up to...dude got in over his head and paid the ultimate price. I don't care how many brainless sluts he banged

Yeah, cycles are a bit of a problem.

Zyzz got what was coming to him in all honesty, it was just a matter of time. You can't cheat your way through life. A local that I had the pleasure of meeting by the name of Joey Kovar went out just like Zyzz. He abused juice and nose candy, oh well.

[mm4038]

A good attitude is a start. However, when you look a certain way you don't even have to try anymore. There's a saying "Don't chase pu$5y, let pu$5y chase you."




Yeah, cycles are a bit of a problem.

Zyzz got what was coming to him in all honesty, it was just a matter of time. You can't cheat your way through life. A local that I had the pleasure of meeting by the name of Joey Kovar went out just like Zyzz. He abused juice and nose candy, oh well.

Looks like Joey Kovar and Zyzz lived better lives than all of us could ever imagine. Have fun, **** hoes, do drugs, and die before the burden of old age comes knocking. Legit.

[ImAVelociraptor]

I genuinely hope for your own sake that you are trolling right now OP... If you're actually being serious then your body is probably the best part of your character...

I think you need to go for a looooonnnnnngggggggg walk, not to lose fat, but to think things out and get your priorities straight.

[mm4038]

I genuinely hope for your own sake that you are trolling right now OP... If you're actually being serious then your body is probably the best part of your character...

I think you need to go for a looooonnnnnngggggggg walk, not to lose fat, but to think things out and get your priorities straight.

A long walk won't make my eyes light nor will it make me ripped tall and handsome like Greg Plitt. Genetics.

[ImAVelociraptor]

A long walk won't make my eyes light nor will it make me ripped tall and handsome like Greg Plitt. Genetics.

Perhaps not. However, I suggested it because going for a long walk will provide you with time to reflect on your belief system and priorities in life. Getting those two things straight is far more important than an aesthetic body. You need to understand how absurd you're being, which is why you're getting the responses you are. Come back when you're a bit more reasonable and I, as well as everyone else here, would be delighted to help you.

Seriously hope you're trolling, but if not then good luck man.

[Redfish225]

Bout tree fiddy

[mm4038]

Perhaps not. However, I suggested it because going for a long walk will provide you with time to reflect on your belief system and priorities in life. Getting those two things straight is far more important than an aesthetic body. You need to understand how absurd you're being, which is why you're getting the responses you are. Come back when you're a bit more reasonable and I, as well as everyone else here, would be delighted to help you.

Seriously hope you're trolling, but if not then good luck man.

Famous celebs and hunks pump and dump hot girls, are they trolling too? Face the facts, if you were a ripped blue eyed god, you would do anything you want in life and never be held back or seen as superficial or arrogant. Genetics. Looks. Deal.

[ImAVelociraptor]

Famous celebs and hunks pump and dump hot girls, are they trolling too? Face the facts, if you were a ripped blue eyed god, you would do anything you want in life and never be held back or seen as superficial or arrogant. Genetics. Looks. Deal.

I'll face the facts when you present me with some. So far everything you've provided is subjective or deluded. You missed the point of my post, once again. From what I've surmised of your posts you believe that the epitome of human existence is to "pump and dump hot girls". I pity you because even if you possessed the blue eyes or the "god genes" you wish for, your life would still be so vastly unfulfilling, and, even then, if you were satisfied with it you would have to be so dismally simple-minded. I'll say it one last time; sort your life out, then come back and try to change your body.

[mm4038]

I'll face the facts when you present me with some. So far everything you've provided is subjective or deluded. You missed the point of my post, once again. From what I've surmised of your posts you believe that the epitome of human existence is to "pump and dump hot girls". I pity you because even if you possessed the blue eyes or the "god genes" you wish for, your life would still be so vastly unfulfilling, and, even then, if you were satisfied with it you would have to be so dismally simple-minded. I'll say it one last time; sort your life out, then come back and try to change your body.

I have every right to want an abundance of young and attractive young women to pump and dump, doesn't every man with blood flowing through their veins want the same thing? I really wish it was about factors that were in our control, but it sadly is not. Other than leaning out and putting in whatever muscle you can, dressing well, all the basics, that's your max. Now, you could be born with severe facial asymmetry and a receding jaw, or you could have the facial structure of a nordic god and be desired by almost every hot girl on the planet. See what I mean, the whole game is rigged to a great deal, attractiveness is mostly genetic, so only a small % of men can really live out the alpha male dream of pumping and dumping hot women in their prime. The rest settle for average fuggos and porn.