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    Rogue Ohio Black Oxide Bar

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    Vid talks about knurl, says black oxide preserves pattern better. Then says they'll offer more coatings later. I'd prefer more knurl options because even if you like that Rogue knurl feel it gets dirty easily and annoying to clean.
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    How is this different than the regular Rogue bar?

    Rogue sure likes to tout their made in the USA thing all the time...nothing wrong with that just something I noticed...

    And why is this the "best American made weightlifting bar on the market", its been out for one day how can they claim that?
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    Originally Posted by Accutron View Post
    They sure have a lot of bars out these days...how is this different than the regular Rogue bar?
    Regular Rogue bar is black zinc. Different finish, different feel. Also different steel, some changes in construction. Old Rogue bar is 155K this Ohio bar is 150K tensile strength.
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    Originally Posted by Accutron View Post
    And why is this the "best American made weightlifting bar on the market", its been out for one day how can they claim that?
    Lol, good point. I think its funny that the branding (state outline) makes it look like a bit of a cheesy knockoff of the TPB. That said...I want one!
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    They are the same steel product as the other bars. Im not sure why they say the other bars are 155. The way I understand it, the difference is they are making these bars themselves instead of contracting it out.
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    so it's the same bar, just a different finish and possibly manufactured all in-house....and $20 cheaper
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    I usually like Rogue's gears but I don't know about this bar being "best American made weightlifting bar on the market." It looks like Rogue and Sorinex are the only manufacturers still stick with 150k psi. Others have moved on to 185k psi tensile strength steel.

    Pendlay HD Bushing bar: used to be 28.5mm bar, now it's a 28mm bar with 190k psi tensile strength. $350, but it's no longer in the same league as the Rogue bar.
    http://www.pendlay.com/20kg-Pendlay-...Bar-_p_63.html

    Again Faster bar: a relatively cheap bar with 185k psi tensile strength and 28.5mm diameter. It used to be about the same tensile strength as the Rogue bar, but it was only $199 back then.
    https://www.againfaster.com/en/shop/...barbell-black/

    Functional Equipment Econ bar: Another cheap option. This one used to be listed at 165k psi tensile strength and 28.5mm diameter. Now it goes up to 185k psi.
    http://www.functionalequipment.com/b...-econ-bar.html

    There may be more, but the 3 bars listed above are made in America. They also have bushings and snap rings. May be the knurl on the Ohio bar makes it the best? I doubt it.
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    When I got the e-mail today, I was really hoping that they had upped the tensile strength.
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    Originally Posted by trnk1001 View Post
    I usually like Rogue's gears but I don't know about this bar being "best American made weightlifting bar on the market." It looks like Rogue and Sorinex are the only manufacturers still stick with 150k psi. Others have moved on to 185k psi tensile strength steel.
    I don't see the best American made quote but Rogue easily has the best marketing. Even simple things like clear photos of their products, a decent designer and enough detail in their product descriptions and specs.

    Anyway I don't see why it's so important to have 185k tensile strength over 150k. Going by a spec like that is probably like going by the old MHz GHz on computers. You can have more but does it seriously affect the permanent bend rate? GarageIron was saying how Sorinex bars were more reliable than Rogue's but they have similar specs. Seems like the specs miss a lot.

    LIfetime Guarantee against bending does not cover bending as a result of any of the following: dropping bar on a box, bench, spotter arms or in pins of a power rack.
    And if you're not abusing the bar it's already very unlikely to bend at 150K. They have the choice not to replace abused bars if they get too many complaints.

    So what makes it the best? Black oxide, non shark knurl and it's better suited for drops than CAP OB86 and TPB. But just saying you're the best to the right market will be convincing enough.
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    Glad to see them doing black oxide but as others have mentioned the steel seems to be the obvious (missed) upgrade.. then again..

    With the warranties that Rogue offers, I'm pretty sure they'd be improving the strength if they were getting enough bent bar claims. It would only make business sense to do so.. or something.
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    Bars with stronger steels have a better chance of surviving a drop on the safeties. That can be important for some lifters.
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    Originally Posted by Detrus View Post
    GarageIron was saying how Sorinex bars were more reliable than Rogue's but they have similar specs.
    I don't think I ever said that... There was another member that made this claim and I pointed out they were the same steel.
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    Originally Posted by GarageIron View Post
    I don't think I ever said that... There was another member that made this claim and I pointed out they were the same steel.
    Indeed. Thought it was you because of all those Sorinex bar pics. From http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=151160373

    Originally Posted by SMCStrength View Post
    I'm a strength coach and have owned and or used both bars extensively.

    I've owned several releases of Glen's bars. I have one of the first original runs of bars and those were his best, IMO. With every release after that, the bars weren't nearly as good whether it had to do with the bushing spin or strength of the bar.

    To my knowledge, the Pendlay Economy and the Rogue bar are nearly identical. The Rogue is decent, but they are more prone to bending if you use them hard. If it's for once a day Crossfit type usage, it's plenty good.

    If You're using at his primarily for Olylifts, I'd say save your money and get an Eleiko or Werksan. They're way better and totally worth the money.

    If it's for multi-use, I'd steer you into the Sorinex route with either the Nickelback bar or Blackhawk bar. Both are better versions of either Pendlay or Rougue at the same price point. My Sorinex bars have lasted way better than anything else outside of Texas Power Bars. Even from an Olympic lifting perspective, the Sorinex bars are better just because they last better and can handle being dropped. Sure, it doesn't oscillate as good as the Pendlay, but it's plenty fine for training.
    And from http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=151929323

    Originally Posted by GarageIron View Post
    I need to confirm specs on the bars. The site has them listed at 150KPSI however in my communications with Sorinex they've said its 180K. I understand they have a new site that will launch shortly (which they need badly, that current site is terrible to navigate or find anything) and they not have updated anything in some time.
    So Sorinex have possibly better specs, that would explain reliability.
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    This bar is $372+$59 shipping to Canada $430!

    That's a lot of money considering I just bought a 150KPSI, Black Oxide, 28.5mm, Snap Ring, Made in the US bar for $165 shipped.

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    Has Rogue ever used Ivanko olympic bars? Also Made in USA.. yeah, they're pretty incredible. I got lucky and now own a stainless one. It's Plenty better than my Rogue bar, IMHO. I like the marketing and how Rogue promotes their stuff, but calling it the best American made bar is a little pompous.

    I am really surprised by the 150K strength. But if it has a lifetime warranty against bends (which it does), then it doesn't really matter, I guess. I'm still tempted to get one of these to be my beater/crossfit bar though. I've always hated the blank zinc Rogue uses.. I'm sure the black oxide is more durable.
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    Originally Posted by thejosef View Post
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    But if it has a lifetime warranty against bends (which it does), then it doesn't really matter, I guess...
    Unless it's dropped on the spotter arms or in pins of a power rack, etc.

    **LIfetime Guarantee against bending does not cover bending as a result of any of the following: dropping bar on a box, bench, spotter arms or in pins of a power rack.
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    Higher tensile strength usually correlates with higher yield strength which is the biggest factor in a bar permanently bending. Basically a bar with a higher yield strength (usually accompanied by higher tensile strength) can take more force from a drop or a bang before permanently warping.

    Like others have said there are better bars out there for cheaper / similar pricing.

    But rogue does have THE best marketing of any strength equipment manufacturer. Especially through their partnership with crossfit and reebok. They also do make pretty good equipment across the board, but just not necessarily the best bang for your buck stuff in many cases.
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    Originally Posted by LimitStrength View Post
    Higher tensile strength usually correlates with higher yield strength which is the biggest factor in a bar permanently bending. Basically a bar with a higher yield strength (usually accompanied by higher tensile strength) can take more force from a drop or a bang before permanently warping.

    Like others have said there are better bars out there for cheaper / similar pricing.

    But rogue does have THE best marketing of any strength equipment manufacturer. Especially through their partnership with crossfit and reebok. They also do make pretty good equipment across the board, but just not necessarily the best bang for your buck stuff in many cases.
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    Originally Posted by GarageIron View Post
    This bar is $372+$59 shipping to Canada $430!

    That's a lot of money considering I just bought a 150KPSI, Black Oxide, 28.5mm, Snap Ring, Made in the US bar for $165 shipped.

    http://www.capbarbell.ca/bars/ob86pb.html
    Lol

    Thats like saying a 2010 camry is better than a 2013 ford focus bc u paid less for it. Hate to break it to u but yea.. ur bar kinda sucks. The spin on the rogue is going to be better than urs. Obviously it wont hold a candle to pendlay or elieko but will be much better suited fo olympic lifts. Ive owned one since they started making them (rogue bar). Its been flawless but I still want more spin.
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    Originally Posted by HitItHard View Post
    Lol

    Thats like saying a 2010 camry is better than a 2013 ford focus bc u paid less for it. Hate to break it to u but yea.. ur bar kinda sucks. The spin on the rogue is going to be better than urs. Obviously it wont hold a candle to pendlay or elieko but will be much better suited fo olympic lifts. Ive owned one since they started making them (rogue bar). Its been flawless but I still want more spin.
    How about no. Id rather have the Cap bar too compared to all the Rogue hype, best US bar on the market yeah suuuuuure. Keep drinking the Koolaid.
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    Originally Posted by HitItHard View Post
    Lol

    Thats like saying a 2010 camry is better than a 2013 ford focus bc u paid less for it. Hate to break it to u but yea.. ur bar kinda sucks. The spin on the rogue is going to be better than urs. Obviously it wont hold a candle to pendlay or elieko but will be much better suited fo olympic lifts. Ive owned one since they started making them (rogue bar). Its been flawless but I still want more spin.
    Really? Thank you for the education. I'll try to pick up the pieces and move on. That comparison made a ton of sense and really hit home.

    Could you explain the superior design and materials of your rogue over my measly Cap bar?

    But seriously... I have a Pendlay and the Cap bars spin very similar. You obviously see the name "Cap" and assume "it kinda sucks" which is just not true. I assumed the same at one time and had to buy one to see for myself, now I have another one on the way.

    First gen Rogue bar huh? Hate to break it to you... But yeah, your bar kinda sucks
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    My vote would be for the Cap Bar!
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    Best Olympic lifting and Crossfit bar

    Hey guys, if you really want a low priced 28 mm bar, check out the Excalibur bar from Repfitness.com.

    Excalibur bar is recommended for CrossFit gyms and anywhere serious training takes place. It's made from an extremely strong steel alloy, and the specs on this bar are equivalent to bars twice the price.

    Bar specs:

    28mm diameter- best shaft diameter for olympic lifting such as the clean, jerk, and snatch
    Bright zinc coating throughout for maintenance-free durability- this coating can be left outside in humid climates and resist corrosion
    Bushing design for smooth sleeve rotation
    Dual knurl markings for Olympic and Power lifting. IWF & IPF specs
    Medium depth knurl that extends very close to the collars for wide grips- better for Crossfit style WODs so hands don't get torn up
    No center knurl
    50mm sleeve diameter
    415mm plate loading area

    -215K tensile, 200K yield
    -Return to Center: Bar is deflected 15cm off the center with 3000 kg of force and the bar returns to true center with +/-.1mm (one tenth of 1 mm)

    Tensile and yield strength is measured in PSI. Tensile strength measures the amount of force the bar can handle before breaking, while yield strength measures the amount of force the bar can handle without permanently bending. The Return to Center shows the amount of force that can be applied to the bar and still allow it to return to straight within a very tight tolerance.

    And of course like all elite bars, Excalibur comes with a lifetime warranty against defects affecting the performance of the bar, such as bending, collar spin, knurling defects, or problems with the coating affecting performance. Warranty covering bending doesn't cover dropping it on a box/bench/spotter arms/pins on power rack.

    This bar is only $269!!!!! There's a youtube video of the bar on their website.

    Repfitness.com also has a lot more training equipment at the lowest prices on the market.
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    ............. Recommended for crossfit gyms ........anywhere serious training takes
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    I'm in the market for a new bar myself, and I've kind of been waffling back and forth on something like a Pendlay Nexgen bushing or one of the ubiquitous black-oxide bars that seem to be around the $300 price point (Sorinex Performance, Rogue Ohio, etc).

    Is using a more Oly-focused bar a bad idea if I want to do a mix of both Oly and power lifts? Doing a bench or deadlift, for example, is there something about the Pendlay that would make me really wish I got a less-specialized bar?
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    Originally Posted by Glowbug View Post
    I'm in the market for a new bar myself, and I've kind of been waffling back and forth on something like a Pendlay Nexgen bushing or one of the ubiquitous black-oxide bars that seem to be around the $300 price point (Sorinex Performance, Rogue Ohio, etc).

    Is using a more Oly-focused bar a bad idea if I want to do a mix of both Oly and power lifts? Doing a bench or deadlift, for example, is there something about the Pendlay that would make me really wish I got a less-specialized bar?
    The olympic bar will have a less aggressive knurl which will make deadlifts more difficult unless you are using straps or gloves. The rings are also different (wider) on an olympic bar. On the other hand, a more aggressive knurl and narrow ring marks will cause an issue for olympic lifting. Some of the Rogue bars have dual sets of rings with an intermediate knurl, so that might be the best option. That being said, the Pendlay bar is a really nice bar. If you are interested in Olympic lifting and can live with using straps for deadlifting, the Pendlay bar might still work for you.
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    Originally Posted by tylerjordanschmitz View Post
    Sales pitch
    There's a thread on the Excalibur bar and it looks like an outstanding bar. The changes that they are making to it look fantastic. That said, your sales pitch was pretty pathetic. Rep Fitness would be better off letting the bar speak for itself as opposed to your ridiculous post.
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    An outstanding bar indeed. And yes, I might come off a little strong but those are simply the cold hard specs of the bar. Also, I might sound a little biased on it because it has everything in a bar I want: coating, strength, whip, diameter, knurl, longevity, durability, and price. What can I say..? If you want to train olympic lifts like an athlete/beast, this is the bar for you considering you don't want to spend a fortune.
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    Originally Posted by Glowbug View Post
    I'm in the market for a new bar myself, and I've kind of been waffling back and forth on something like a Pendlay Nexgen bushing or one of the ubiquitous black-oxide bars that seem to be around the $300 price point (Sorinex Performance, Rogue Ohio, etc).

    Is using a more Oly-focused bar a bad idea if I want to do a mix of both Oly and power lifts? Doing a bench or deadlift, for example, is there something about the Pendlay that would make me really wish I got a less-specialized bar?

    It depends on how much weight you're lifting with the bars. If your powerlifts are around 500 lbs you'll be ok with an olympic bar like Pendlay. Hardcore olympic lifters also use the same bars for 700 lb squats and deadlifts and just put up with the whip.



    Rogue doesn't make their bars 28.5mm to have the best of both worlds for power and olympic lifts. That's marketing. It's just a standard size of steel rod, so cheaper to manufacture. It happens to have properties some people like for deadlifts sometimes, like stiffness. Other times you don't want a stiff deadlift bar.
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