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    draft is shaping up well considering positional need. all these players will likely be off the board by pick #14, and the vikings aren't going to be in the QB/WR/CB market in the draft anyways:

    QB lawrence
    QB wilson
    QB fields
    QB lance
    WR chase
    WR smith
    WR waddle
    CB horn
    CB surtain
    CB farley
    T sewell
    LB parsons
    TE pitts

    probably most likely looking at one of:

    DE paye
    DE rousseau
    DT barmore
    I wouldn't say CB is off the table for a pick at #14. Gladney was a bit of a disaster this year and Dantzler just looked okay at time. Don't really think we have anything in Boyd either. Maybe Harrison Hand.

    Positional need is a moving target right now too, depending on who gets brought back. Anthony Harris, Barr, Reif, Rudolph, Wilson, etc.
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    Originally Posted by ajdahlheimer View Post
    I wouldn't say CB is off the table for a pick at #14. Gladney was a bit of a disaster this year and Dantzler just looked okay at time. Don't really think we have anything in Boyd either. Maybe Harrison Hand.
    That'd be the most Spielman/Zimmer pick ever
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    Originally Posted by AMeyer9 View Post
    That'd be the most Spielman/Zimmer pick ever
    And hopefully their last pick ever.
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    Originally Posted by AMeyer9 View Post
    That'd be the most Spielman/Zimmer pick ever
    Yes it would, Please don't do that. Really hoping the Vikings can get a QB, Trey Lance maybe at 14 or trade down, get a 2nd back after that Yannick debacle and get a lower tier QB later in the 1st. From there OL, OL, OL, OL.
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    Originally Posted by Berts View Post
    Yes it would, Please don't do that. Really hoping the Vikings can get a QB, Trey Lance maybe at 14 or trade down, get a 2nd back after that Yannick debacle and get a lower tier QB later in the 1st. From there OL, OL, OL, OL.
    People have been spouting this for what seems like forever. We've already invested 2nd round picks in O'Neil and Cleveland, and a 1st rounder in Bradbury. O'Neil was a good pick, Cleveland still TBD, and Bradbury looks like a miss. So there isn't really a point to constantly using high picks on OL when you clearly aren't the best at evaluating OL talent.
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    Originally Posted by ajdahlheimer View Post
    People have been spouting this for what seems like forever. We've already invested 2nd round picks in O'Neil and Cleveland, and a 1st rounder in Bradbury. O'Neil was a good pick, Cleveland still TBD, and Bradbury looks like a miss. So there isn't really a point to constantly using high picks on OL when you clearly aren't the best at evaluating OL talent.
    I hear what you are saying but it still doesn't seem to be working. We were what, 26th or 28th ranked OL this year in pass protection. I will say some of this has to be put on the coaching staff. Our OL has been miserable since Zimmer took over. He does try but its not really working. Chit, The Browns grab OL guys off other people practice squad who played very well for 15 snaps without meeting the team before or any practices.

    Kirk is the type of QB who can be pretty dam good but he needs a solid OL for it. I guess you could say that about any QB but seems more true with him since he has zero pocket presence and crumbles with any pressure.
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    they better not take another fukkin corner. since spielman has been here, their picks in the first 2 rounds have been:

    1st 2006: LB greenway
    2nd 2006: CB griffin, C cook, QB jackson
    1st 2007: RB peterson
    2nd 2007: WR rice
    2nd 2008: S johnson
    1st 2009: WR harvin
    2nd 2009: T loadholt
    2nd 2010: CB cook, RB gerhart
    1st 2011: QB ponder
    2nd 2011: TE rudolph
    1st 2012: T kalil, S smith
    1st 2013: DT floyd, CB rhodes, WR patterson
    1st 2014: LB barr, QB bridgewater
    1st 2015: CB waynes
    2nd 2015: LB kendricks
    1st 2016: WR treadwell
    2nd 2016: CB alexander
    2nd 2017: RB cook
    1st 2018: CB hughes
    2nd 2018: T o'neill
    1st 2019: C bradbury
    2nd 2019: TE smith
    1st 2020: WR jefferson, CB gladney
    2nd 2020: T cleveland

    out of 32 picks in the first 2 rounds since 2006:

    QB: 3 (2 1st)
    WR: 5 (4 1st)
    RB: 3 (1 1st)
    TE: 2 (0 1st)
    T: 4 (1 1st)
    C: 2 (1 1st)
    G: 0

    CB: 7 (4 1st)
    S: 2 (1 1st)
    LB: 3 (2 1st)
    DT: 1 (1 1st)
    DE: 0

    so they've taken 1 D-lineman in the first 2 rounds in the last 15 drafts, and that was when they had 3 1st round picks that year.
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    Originally Posted by Berts View Post
    I hear what you are saying but it still doesn't seem to be working. We were what, 26th or 28th ranked OL this year in pass protection. I will say some of this has to be put on the coaching staff. Our OL has been miserable since Zimmer took over. He does try but its not really working. Chit, The Browns grab OL guys off other people practice squad who played very well for 15 snaps without meeting the team before or any practices.

    Kirk is the type of QB who can be pretty dam good but he needs a solid OL for it. I guess you could say that about any QB but seems more true with him since he has zero pocket presence and crumbles with any pressure.
    That is my point is that it is NOT working. There is no point in wasting high picks on OL, when we clearly can't identify top-end talent in the draft. So I hope they go defense in the first round.
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    Originally Posted by ajdahlheimer View Post
    That is my point is that it is NOT working. There is no point in wasting high picks on OL, when we clearly can't identify top-end talent in the draft. So I hope they go defense in the first round.
    You really don't need to use early picks on OL. Our two All-Pro lineman this year were taken in the 4th and 5th round
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    Originally Posted by ajdahlheimer View Post
    That is my point is that it is NOT working. There is no point in wasting high picks on OL, when we clearly can't identify top-end talent in the draft. So I hope they go defense in the first round.
    I'm fine not wasting high picks on them. Ideally I want a QB in the 1st, we have no 2nd so go OL 3rd, 4th and 5th.
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    Originally Posted by Berts View Post
    I'm fine not wasting high picks on them. Ideally I want a QB in the 1st, we have no 2nd so go OL 3rd, 4th and 5th.
    Just depends how things fall. I think there will be a run of QB's early this year so there might be slim pickins for QBs at 14
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    You really don't need to use early picks on OL. Our two All-Pro lineman this year were taken in the 4th and 5th round
    Exactly what I'm talking about. Your FO also identified a guy like Billy Turner as an affordable FA--who has been serviceable. That's another route the Vikings need to go.
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    Originally Posted by AMeyer9 View Post
    Just depends how things fall. I think there will be a run of QB's early this year so there might be slim pickins for QBs at 14
    The irony is we'd be all done w/Kirk right now if we just would have kept him on that original contract and not gave him that subsequent extension. We'd have boat loads of cash to spend and would be in position to trade up for one of the QB's going before #14.
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    If there’s a blue-chip OL (preferably OT since Reiff is getting old) available @ 15 they’ll run to the podium. You can’t win in the NFL getting beat in the trenches.

    Spielman will draft another CB, though. And then trade down a thousand times for 20 7th rounders that won’t make the roster.

    Then our OL will rank bottom 5-10 again and we’ll get manhandled by any team with a good DL. Its the Spielman way, he’s been working on putting together a good OL for 8 years (literally his entire tenure as GM).
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    Those pleading for a QB... Realistically it most likely wont happen, its going to be an edge rusher or OL help and with how badly both the OL and Dline looked this year the front office pretty much has no choice. I dont mine the idea that if the jets move on from Darnold which they most likely will I like him as a back up or even Minshew, both came from absolutely horrid teams that were destined too fail no matter how they played. I like minshew a little more he definitely has an IT factor I like from him but Urban Meyer most likely wont see it that way Lawrence will be the face of that team now
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