Any Paleos Here?

[szappa]

I've been reading about diets for the past few weeks now.. Like keto, paleo, etc. and I kinda like the idea of a paleo diet. Could someone help explain it to me a little further though?

Could you actually get bigger and stronger on a paleo diet?

Would you have to re-adjust your macros for the limited amount of carbs you're taking in?

Is it healthy?

I'm just looking for some additional inputs and answers than what I've been reading. Thanks!

[WonderPug]

"Paleo" is a fad diet that makes silly references to the Paleolithic epoch where suggesting a diet based on arbitrary restrictions on food, with the outcome being a diet composed nothing like that which the extreme majority of Paleolithic epoch folks would have consumed.

That said, you have have great success of utter failure on the diet, as the outcome will be governed by energy balance and micro/macronutrient sufficiency of the actual foods consumed.

[SuffolkPunch]

Most "paleo" diet probably end up being fairly decent assuming you get enough carbs for heavy training. However, that's not a vindication of the "paleo" ideal, it's simply because it encourages the consumption of whole foods, protein, fruit and vegetables which compares favourably to the typical general publics diet.

It's far more important to know what the constituents of a good diet actually are - then you can build a diet using any foods and don't need to place arbitrary restrictions on food choices.

[Kadisha]

Most "paleo" diet probably end up being fairly decent assuming you get enough carbs for heavy training. However, that's not a vindication of the "paleo" ideal, it's simply because it encourages the consumption of whole foods, protein, fruit and vegetables which compares favourably to the typical general publics diet.

It's far more important to know what the constituents of a good diet actually are - then you can build a diet using any foods and don't need to place arbitrary restrictions on food choices.

With all due respect to WonderPug this is definitely a better and clearer explanation to some one thinking of following it.

It keeps you away from processed food which by itself is a huge benefit of the diet. The problem with it is that it makes people that follow it paranoid of gluten or if something is paleo or not even if it's still a great source of macro and micro-nutrients like peanuts for example.

[WonderPug]

It keeps you away from processed food which by itself is a huge benefit of the diet.

Firstly, it doesn't if you follow the supplement advice of some of the leading "paleo" gurus, as they not only recommend processed fast food, they even sell it:



And if you want to advocate for a diet composed in the vast majority from whole and minimally processed foods, then do so sans the absurd and arbitrary restriction on certain foods like peanuts.

[SuffolkPunch]

Firstly, it doesn't if you follow the supplement advice of some of the leading "paleo" gurus, as they not only recommend processed fast food, they even sell it:



And if you want to advocate for a diet composed in the vast majority from whole and minimally processed foods, then do so sans the absurd and arbitrary restriction on certain foods like peanuts.

Haha, is it fortified with iron(y)?

[WonderPug]

Haha, is it fortified with iron(y)?

300% of the RDI of iron(y).

[naturalguy]

Some people can't get passed the name and thus judge it based on that. When you look at the diet which promotes eating a variety of quality protein sources, healthy fats, more vegetables, fruit and even potatoes then you can see that it's not a bad way to eat.

I think it's silly to eat that way because someone thinks caveman ate that way however.

[WonderPug]

Some people can't get passed the name and thus judge it based on that.

FYI: The objection is to the arbitrary restriction of foods.

[dbp]

I have a really hard time understanding the logic of arbitrarily restricting the consumption of something like lentils, quinoa or peanuts for the vast majority of the population.

[AnderJaspo]

Firstly, it doesn't if you follow the supplement advice of some of the leading "paleo" gurus, as they not only recommend processed fast food, they even sell it:



And if you want to advocate for a diet composed in the vast majority from whole and minimally processed foods, then do so sans the absurd and arbitrary restriction on certain foods like peanuts.

LOL does that say "Ancient Cacao"?

[naturalguy]

I have a really hard time understanding the logic of arbitrarily restricting the consumption of something like lentils, quinoa or peanuts for the vast majority of the population.

Actually there is nothing arbitrary about it. They have a reason that some (key word) people should avoid certain foods.

[WonderPug]

I have a really hard time understanding the logic of arbitrarily restricting the consumption of something like lentils, quinoa or peanuts for the vast majority of the population.

It's simply illogical, but those with very limited understanding of nutrition and physiology fall for it.

[szappa]

I'm not going to go on it.. I love my grains and dairy way too much to give that up. I was just curious to learn more about it..

Kinda of a related question but, if you had to pick a way to eat that is the healthiest overall, as in promotes the healthiest body and lifestyle?

[AliLeo94]

I have a really hard time understanding the logic of arbitrarily restricting the consumption of something like lentils, quinoa or peanuts for the vast majority of the population.

Eating lentils once in a while will do no harm. But eating a two cups of it everyday would be bad due to it's phytic acid content.

inb4 ''show me the studies''

read Weston A Price's book, don't remember the name

[Geoloop]

Some people can't get passed the name and thus judge it based on that. When you look at the diet which promotes eating a variety of quality protein sources, healthy fats, more vegetables, fruit and even potatoes then you can see that it's not a bad way to eat.

I think it's silly to eat that way because someone thinks caveman ate that way however.

Yeah not a bad way to eat, but unnecessary and not optimal like many paleo "experts" claim.

[PAU1]

I thought Jason's video was pretty good...

[rolandszi]

I've been reading about diets for the past few weeks now.. Like keto, paleo, etc. and I kinda like the idea of a paleo diet. Could someone help explain it to me a little further though?

Could you actually get bigger and stronger on a paleo diet?

Would you have to re-adjust your macros for the limited amount of carbs you're taking in?

Is it healthy?

I'm just looking for some additional inputs and answers than what I've been reading. Thanks!

Organic fruits & a lot of meat.

[alan aragon]

Actually there is nothing arbitrary about it. They have a reason that some (key word) people should avoid certain foods.

Almost all of the Paleo rules are arbitrary and lacking evidence.

[naturalguy]

Almost all of the Paleo rules are arbitrary and lacking evidence.

While I am no expert on paleo, from what I understand they recommend avoiding certain foods based on digestive problems such as gluten with celiacs and people with gluten intolerances. That is not arbitrary.

[costahobo]

But eating a two cups of it everyday would be bad due to it's phytic acid content.

Soaking beans will remove a lot of the phytic acid.

[silvrmoos]

I have been going with a "modified" paleo diet and have really liked the results. I basically cut out all grains and dairy, except for greek yogurt at night. Also, I eat sweet potatoes for carbs (potatoes are taboo in standard paleo). Since making the change, I have leaned out considerably (started after Thanksgiving), as you can tell from my bodyspace pictures. The biggest change I noticed is that I no longer experience joint pains, despite lifting heavier and more frequently. A lot of people knock paleo without giving it a try. I did it, made some modifications and am quite pleased with the results.

[womanoid]

Eating lentils once in a while will do no harm. But eating a two cups of it everyday would be bad due to it's phytic acid content.

inb4 ''show me the studies''

read Weston A Price's book, don't remember the name

And yet, foods that contain oxalic or tannic acids are just fine? Paleo juicers load up on oxalic acid without a clue, under the guise that they're being nutritious.

Moderation. Not eating cups of the same foods day in, day out is the healthy approach.

[WonderPug]

While I am no expert on paleo, from what I understand they recommend avoiding certain foods based on digestive problems such as gluten with celiacs and people with gluten intolerances. That is not arbitrary.

It is arbitrary because they recommend the entire population avoid gluten, when the prevalence of those with disease that contraindicate intake of gluten is 0.0075 (which means the disease affects ~1 out of every 133 people).

[alan aragon]

While I am no expert on paleo, from what I understand they recommend avoiding certain foods based on digestive problems such as gluten with celiacs and people with gluten intolerances. That is not arbitrary.

How is the avoidance of foods that aggravate individual intolerances suddenly the dominion of the Paleolithic period? Serious question. Follow through with this please, I would love to see the fate of your path of reasoning.

[alan aragon]

I have been going with a "modified" paleo diet and have really liked the results. I basically cut out all grains and dairy, except for greek yogurt at night. Also, I eat sweet potatoes for carbs (potatoes are taboo in standard paleo). Since making the change, I have leaned out considerably (started after Thanksgiving), as you can tell from my bodyspace pictures. The biggest change I noticed is that I no longer experience joint pains, despite lifting heavier and more frequently. A lot of people knock paleo without giving it a try. I did it, made some modifications and am quite pleased with the results.

So, your diet is "Paleo where it's convenient" -- I think it's time to stop labeling your eating habits. I also think it's hilarious that your joint pain suddenly disappeared because you fulfilled your expectation bias.

Wake up kids, don't be so fucking gullible & prone to fantasy.

[naturalguy]

How is the avoidance of foods that aggravate individual intolerances suddenly the dominion of the Paleolithic period? Serious question. Follow through with this please, I would love to see the fate of your path of reasoning.

You are making my point, you are focused on the word "Paleo" and it's understandable. It really should be called the "Gluten avoidance" diet or something like that but I understand for marking purposes that is not as good a title. I said previously that it's silly to eat that way because someone thinks that is the way caveman ate.

There are people who claim to have gluten intolerance (beyond people who are diagnosed celiacs) so it doesn't matter if it's the paleo era, medieval times or the future.

[WonderPug]

You are making my point, you are focused on the word "Paleo" and it's understandable. It really should be called the "Gluten avoidance" diet or something like that but I understand for marking purposes that is not as good a title. I said previously that it's silly to eat that way because someone thinks that is the way caveman ate.

There are people who claim to have gluten intolerance (beyond people who are diagnosed celiacs) so it doesn't matter if it's the paleo era, medieval times or the future.

You seem to default to straw man arguments.

The objection to the "paleo" diet is its arbitrary nature of the food avoidance. You said the food avoidance wasn't arbitrary:

Actually there is nothing arbitrary about it.

Confronted with evidence refuting your position, you now simply change your claim and start arguing an unrelated point.

[Quadzillas]

Surely if grains weren't 'natural' at one point, then neither was eating cooked meat, yet that seemed to serve us well.

Perhaps avid followers of this philosophy should be given a branch and a sharp piece of flint, and told to live in the wilds of africa. They should hunt wildebeest and zebras in packs, cover themselves up with the skins of these animals, eat their meat as the almost sole source of food, rarely bathe, have no access to healthcare, not speak to each other (as spoken language isn't paleo), sleep outside by a fire and have to procreate and give birth the good old fashioned way.

Somehow I doubt they will all live to 100, though I would love to see them try as I eat my cereal in my nice warm house that an agricultural civilization has allowed me to live in.

[lee__d]

While I am no expert on paleo, from what I understand they recommend avoiding certain foods based on digestive problems such as gluten with celiacs and people with gluten intolerances. That is not arbitrary.

If one isn't intolerant of it (whatever food is being eliminated), how is eliminating it not arbitrary?