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    i used to play a while back when no one really knew about texas hold 'em so it was pretty easy to win money, but now everyone and their dog is a pro so it ain't so easy anymore
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    Originally Posted by rjmwx81 View Post
    That takes care of that.
    you srsly trying to argue never folding? Lol ok
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    Yeah, I know you're not the legend Josh Fields bro. He would not be bragging about 15k on the misc. I already found your P5s account.

    I was ranked 30th in the world at MTTs pre Black Friday. Games are definitely tougher, I hope you've seriously been studying and not some kid who just binked something. Having a solid push/fold game won't make you money anymore. You need to game select well and put in large volume, being out of U.S. you now have access to the Euro Sites, that's the lowest variance route to take. If you are thinking about doing this seriously this is stuff you should already be prepared for.
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    Originally Posted by JanithMcShawn View Post
    Your image is a TAG because you're inexperienced at the poker tables.
    You're under the gun and you have 23s, you raise 2.75BB, MP1 calls, Button raises 12.5BB total, everyone folds action to you: what do you do?
    Assuming that button is a NIT, and everyone is playing FLAWLESS poker. [this means the size of the blinds (limits) don't matter]
    I could be mistaken but didn't sauce or kanu recently make a GTO-related post about a situation like this? lol
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    Originally Posted by Loctus View Post
    I could be mistaken but didn't sauce or kanu recently make a GTO-related post about a situation like this? lol
    Uhh, I have no idea what you're talking about.
    These are all hypothetical questions I created: if OP has any poker IQ, he should be able to answer these with logical reasoning and I highly doubt that he will be able to provide an answer that a) is CORRECT and b) is appropriate for the stakes he claims to have played.

    This guy is actually a moron, you can tell that he has zero understanding of the game and that he's just another fraud.
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    ITT op wins 100k moves up stakes and loses it all and becomes red.
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    man i really miss playing...when this **** gon be legal again
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    Originally Posted by Emory010 View Post
    Wish I could mayne but don't have those stats anymore on this comp. FWIW i used to average around 4 BB/100 on 2-4 and 3-6, playing 4 tables minimum
    bb or BB? or did you play LHE or wat lol
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    Originally Posted by HMFIC_BROWSIN View Post
    as a formerly profitable online poker player, it's not that hard to believe.
    This. I started playing right before the DoD got a dick in its ass and I still pulled in almost 3k in a couple of months (and mind you I was a beginner playing micro-stakes). OP's claim does not stretch the imagination at all.
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    More questions:

    Define a +EV range for stakes that are 10/20$+ that are profitable on a table FILLED with 5 TAGS, 3 NITS, 2 DONK-aggros:
    a) UTG
    b) on the puck

    p.s. those are the 2 easiest positions to have a range for.


    Also, explain the concept of polarized ranges as you get closer to the extremities of positioning and submit your opinion on whether you believe for this to be a +EV or -EV methodology/school of thought.
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    not that hard to believe. when i was 16 i won like 10k using my dad's account secretly and he found out. kicked my ass so i quit poker.
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    Originally Posted by Oceanbreezeez View Post
    This. I started playing right before the DoD got a dick in its ass and I still pulled in almost 3k in a couple of months (and mind you I was a beginner playing micro-stakes). OP's claim does not stretch the imagination at all.
    Just because you played microlimits and were patient doesn't mean you're good you putrid excuse of a human.
    Being a nit and getting called because you're on the biggest heater on the planet for a measly 3K is in NO WAY an argument validating OPs "achievement"
    He's a fraud that will MOST LIKELY provide an invalid and unsatisfactory response to my questions.
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    OP:

    Tell me why the people who claim online poker is rigged are wrong? I'm a firm believer in them not being rigged to go against any one particular player, but instead being rigged to created "action flops" in tourneys to get them over faster. This makes them more money in the long term because tourneys are over faster and more are played.

    I played on pokerstars for years (nothing ever srs, small 1$ tourneys and such) and saw the most amazing draw outs, rivers, improbable hands (yes I know you play more online but this was just ridiculous).
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    God the misc has me licking my chops for legislation in the US. I just reviewed a HH for a friend who is going to make a video for a training site on it. This is how a professional thinks about the game...

    Hand 103: Interesting, I'm assuming my logic was on turn he would continue to bet all pairs that beat me on this texture almost 100% of time. I thought he would bet a T to continue to get value from all my pairs and draws. When he check/raises turn it obviously looks super strong and that he is not folding, but through dissecting his range I feel like it's overwhelming air. I do suspect him to have a T or AA/KK a small percentage of time, but at this stage of the tournament I would not suspect him to take this kind of line. Given the amount of chips in the pot relative to my stack and how vulnerable my hand is, I think shoving is far superior than calling turn, then calling river. His air still has a decent amount of equity vs me and I want to kill that by ending the hand here. If I was stronger and less fearful of turn and river cards then obviously calling turn and letting him fire off river is better. This was a real thought out/feel spot and definitely not standard.

    Hand 116: This is a spot where I'm obviously calling with a lot of hands given the great immediate price. However, I really hate it random Ax non suited hands. I can't be confident at all flopping top pair and am going to be leaking chips post flop and not getting to showdown enough. I'd much rather have a hand like 86s.

    Hand 120: Once stacks shallow out ~40 bbs, I'm not comfortable opening low pairs from early position. I'd much rather open higher suited cards that play better post flop where I'm comfortable firing off multiple barrels with equity.

    Hand 128: Post ante I'm opening this, kind of same situation as 33.

    Hand 129: I open this, probably ~15 tableing at this point and had a spot somewhere else.

    Hand 130: Can 3b, wish I had the HUD stats of the table because that is a big variable in choosing my 3b spots.

    Hand 133: I think 3b low pairs OOP like this makes the hand easier to play. If it were multiway I'm obviously just calling. I suspect him to be folding to this 3b a large percentage of time given his opening range on button is super wide. If I call, I just feel I'm check/folding so many boards where I still have the best hand, but given positions it's hard for me to get to a river without the intiative. If my hand were a little stronger, even 77-99, I like calling pre because there are more boards where I'm comfortable check/calling multiple streets/can value bet more and get called by worse.

    If I turned a gutter I would continue to barrel because I think he can be floating this flop with a lot of hands and I put a lot of pressure on him because it would leave me with a psb on river after representing a very strong range.

    Hand 155: This was probably bad, but in a $24 it's hard for me to give people too much credit. As a whole when people isolate limpers especially from MP like I did, I tend to give that respect. I think what induced me to shove was his position and if he were ever going to light/****ing with me I think it would be on the button, plus I do have FE on a shove.

    Hand 162: I flat 100% of my range in these exact positions.

    Hand 168: Given game flow past couple orbits I think shoving is most profitable, I think he gets it in with a few worse pairs plus AK, maybe AQ.

    Hand 187: If he was a little deeper I would consider a limp/shove.

    Hand 200: Yeah, I don't know why I didn't bet this river, assume it was a timeout. The turn check is definitely not standard but I like to mix it in occasionally and this seems like a good spot. When he's the third player in the pot, especially from the blinds his range is weak. When he check/calls this low dry flop I'm feeling very good, however I don't think I'm going to get more than 2 streets of value especially when this turn rolls off, and he could easily fold turn anyway. I wanted to ensure a call on most rivers, which I believe he would have if I bet like 1300-1400 here. I checked the HH text, he had J9o, pretty much top of his range and potentially could have gotten 3 streets of value. Pretty tilting seeing this actually. (Checked HH txt, timed out on turn)

    Hand 208: Probably could have defended here, but would like the opener to be deeper.

    Hand 223: Just nitin' it up this HH, I have a read on Pizzicato as a tighter reg, but my standard here is to 3b to 1825/f.

    Hand 230: Think a 3b would be good here.

    Hand 244: Was planning on check/raising flop. Bad river for me, probably should have bet smaller to increase the chances of him calling or turning something into a bluff. I don't think he ever has a Q.

    Hand 270: I think I can bet turn, but IneedMoneyX is a reg. Thoughts?

    Hand 288: Looks like an alright 3b spot, might have had tight stats on him, plus with positions I can see him 4b shoving pretty light. If we were slightly deeper I'm putting chips in the pot every time.

    Hand 327: This is a pretty aggressive reshove. I'm sure he had been opening a decent amount and I have been tight, plus just showed down aces. My hand also has a fair amount of equity vs anything he has and I think he folds hands as strong as AQ here.

    Hand 342: Pretty bad flop. I think a lot of hands that he flats this 3b with include a Q or some type of pair, and don't see him folding this flop a high percentage. I like my turn bet, but when he calls I didn't see him folding river much. Sick value tho.

    Hand 343: Just kind of a feel spot with game flow with me getting pretty aggro past couple orbits.

    Hand 345: Kind of a tight fold, especially against a player who has been opening a lot. I'd rather have something that flopped better. I also think it's going to get squeezed a lot behind with joao getting aggro.

    Hand 352: You Brazilians just never stop. I think this 5b is going to be too profitable to pass up. He's just folding so much and I'm scooping the pot uncontested and if he does call I'm going to be flipping a lot.

    Hand 365: Disciplined fold, but I like it. I think flatting is bad with stacks behind. If I'm going to 3b/fold here I'd rather have some blockers than a suited hand since he's never flatting.

    Hand 371: I'm raising any two here on the button with this stack in the big blind. Makes it tough for the sb to 3b light because he's going to have to call the bb. And the bb's stack size prohibits him from flatting me often. Essentially my hand does not matter.

    Hand 396: I wanted to call this so bad, but felt there really was no need to get myself in a high variance situation with my current stack in this tournament.

    Hand 409: On the surface this doesn't look good and my standard here is to flat, but with our current dynamic I thought 3b was the best play. I sized my 3b a little bit smaller to make shoving a little awkward for him. I also wanted to seize the initiative in the hand, where I thought he'd call this with so many worse hands and my hand obviously plays great postflop. I felt this hand had far too much equity to fold vs his 4b shove range where I discounted AK QQ+ because I thought he'd click those back on me. Him 4b shoving was the worst thing that could of happened, but I was ready to run it vs him. He said some mean things in chat too.

    Hand 434: I can see the argument for raising this limp to like 2.75x, but I felt there was too much money in pre relative to the stacks behind me. Far too often I notice people limp/calling then leading a flop or check/shoving a flop and I have no equity, so I prefer just getting it in here. Yeah, he's gonna have AA ocasionally, but I feel it's a lot of random broadway, Ax, suited connector stuff.

    Hand 452: I don't like my open since I've opened the past 6 hands, but I do like my 4b, since I have opened the last 6 hands. I think utg is a great position to 4b light because people may thing you're opening light from there, but have to give a 4b respect, and I also have an ace blocker. Very dry flop, I didn't want to burn any more chips, I think he's got a hand that is calling at least one street and I'm not comfortable firing multiple barrels here. I have all the chips, I can get so many better spots to use those chips.

    Hand 474: This is kind of a soul read. I thought he had only AQ. This deep in tournaments, especially after I called the flop he knows I have something. And with him having to show it down with sb having less than a bb, I don't think he's ever bluffing.

    Hand 476: I bet turn a lot, but wanted to ensure seeing a river. When I check/call turn then hit river I think checking river is best to induce bluffs. Looking at this now I think check/raising river is probably best because I think he bets the flop with J9 and I might get called by 77 or 66 if I make it small enough.

    Hand 481: My standard is to bet turn, but was confident he had nothing or was very weak. I think you are more likely to get one street of value by random stuff like 3rd/4th pair by checking flop and turn, rather than betting turn.

    Hand 498: In a higher stakes tournament I would not make this 3b early at a final table vs a big stack who can leverage me with anything. I adjusted after this, but I think taking ICM under consideration at final tables is mandatory in today's games.

    Final Table Thoughts
    There are definite inflection points in the structure of these $24's. I was forced to play pretty tight for an extended period of time, but it benefited me in the end.

    Hand 561: Pretty obvious the type of hand that I have, but I still think it's the best play. With how aggro IneedMoneyX and verderber1 have been I just want to get in all my chips in this +ev spot and see 5 cards. Having to raise/fold this would be too much of my stack and have too much equity vs whatever they have.

    Hand 563: Pretty light, but with me being the short stack and how large his open range is I like it to maintain my fold equity on reshoves.

    Hand 569: Same situation as hand 563, but now I have a stack I can 3b/fold with.

    Hand 577: I think this is a good spot for a bluff raise.

    Hand 591: Think there is too high of a chance he has nothing and I have too much equity to fold.

    Hand 595: This hand bothers me months later. I don't really know what else to say other than I didn't think he had it. Interested to here your thoughts.

    Hand 621: Was going to check/call flop, but I think betting is better, it just allows me to put more pressure on and represent a wider range of hands. As played, I think I was check/shoving this river and believe it's better than betting because if he does have a pair worse than a T he's probably just checking back, but always calling a river bet from me. Don't think he ever has a Q and he could turn so many missed draws into bluffs. Just think it's a line that saves me money when I'm beat and makes me more when he's bluffing.

    Hand 628: Just trying to get him to spaz, very comfortable getting it in here.
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    Originally Posted by bubbletea9 View Post
    Strong understanding of variance. OP plays 1million hands and is up 100k and it's because of variance. Unless he's playing 100/200NL which he's not, you are a phaggot. Negged.
    Strong underestimation of variance. Play around with some variance simulators. It's not that hard to be down over 1m hands even at 6max (let alone HU) with a normal wr (2-6bb/100)
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    Originally Posted by Emory010 View Post
    Depends on how SB has been playing, stack sizes, my image.
    You stupid? I gave you your image for the first question, stack size of OBVIOUSLY 200BB in any hypothetical situation you phaggot scumbag lying piece of chit.

    SB is playing perfectly, you're a TAG.
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    Originally Posted by sh1591 View Post
    never fold?!?!?!

    brb calling when you've got unsuited 6, 3 and the guy before you has gone all In
    Give up now. I can already tell you're too dumb to be a winning player.
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    Originally Posted by Emory010 View Post
    I attribute all the phenomenons you talk about to the unbelievable number of hands seen in online poker compared to real life.

    Hahahahaaha, you're a phaggot.
    Online poker is rigged brah, just look at the POTRIPPER videos on youtube - this kid has NO idea what he's talking about - he LITERALLY SKIPPED MY QUESTIONS in a "poker help thread"

    EDIT: he answered my questions invalidly IN my quote - my bad
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    Originally Posted by JanithMcShawn View Post
    You stupid? I gave you your image for the first question, stack size of OBVIOUSLY 200BB in any hypothetical situation you phaggot scumbag lying piece of chit.

    SB is playing perfectly, you're a TAG.
    Settle down. You're discussing fr play, so I'll tell you right now, no-one cares.
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    Originally Posted by Emory010 View Post
    Depends on how SB has been playing, stack sizes, my image.
    I said:
    Your image is a TAG because you're inexperienced at the poker tables.
    You're under the gun and you have 23s, you raise 2.75BB, MP1 calls, Button raises 12.5BB total, everyone folds action to you: what do you do?
    Assuming that button is a NIT, and everyone is playing FLAWLESS poker. [this means the size of the blinds (limits) don't matter]


    You said: Umm fold, but could possibly be a bluff. Would never raise UTG with 23s at a full table.
    My reply: So you don't polarize your UTG range? How do you play UTG - only premium hands? If you do, you haven't made even 2K, everyone will fold every single time you raise UTG and you'll get exploited harder than african-americans during the slave epoch.

    I said: Why is A7o considered the worst ace? [Why isn't is A6o?]

    You said: Because the straights you make with the 7 are often the low end and with the 6 they are not.
    My reply: What straights can you make with A7 or A6, you dumb?

    I said:
    Is it profitable to merge 72o/T6o/K2o into your made-hands range? All 3 of them? Individually? If yes why? If no why? In which positions?
    You said:
    No, only maybe from very late position to pickup blinds in a short game.
    My reply:
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    You know nothing - 99% of players would recommend folding hands like T6o, etc. due to the fact that they're generally -EV even if played perfectly.
    However, there is a huge debate amongst people who polarize ranges UTG/etc that you need to use the most unprofitable hands in order to balance your early position ranges so that either you're bluffing or you got the nuts [this is a very VERY simplistic description - it gets much more depthful when you progress in the game]

    You're a fraud.

    Blinds vs Blind: You have T6s, all fold to SB, he raises: what do you do?
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