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strong lack understanding of the subject and the history of vaccinations in this thread.
op, i take the position that vaccinations do more harm than good and i am opposed to all vaccinations. i'll take you up for a debate on the subject any time, but it seems you know absolutely nothing about vaccinations - besides what we've all learned in 3rd grade.
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12-23-2012, 05:00 PM #36
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12-23-2012, 05:06 PM #46
Here’s a common complaint about the annual flu vaccine: “The last time I got the shot, I ended up getting the flu anyway!” Epidemiological data seem to back up such anecdotes. According to an American Lung Association report from 2010, there was no sustained decline in influenza-associated deaths over the past decades. Among those older than 65, according to a New England Journal of Medicine review, flu hospitalization rates rose steadily between 1979 and 2001, despite an increase in vaccination rates among seniors from 32 percent in 1989 to 67 percent in 1997.
Such data make the vaccine seem useless. As a result, skepticism has lately moved beyond the usual anti-vaccine, tinfoil-hat crowd. In 2009, the Atlantic published a breathless piece accusing drug makers and doctors of foisting bad science on an unsuspecting public and asked, “But what if everything we think about fighting influenza is wrong? What if flu vaccine does not protect people from dying—particularly the elderly?” Last month, the New York Times called the flu vaccine a “bonanza” for vaccine manufacturers and gave largely uncritical coverage to a University of Minnesota researcher who claimed the vaccine “does not protect as promoted. It’s all a sales job.” Similarly provocative articles have run in Harper’s (“Viral Marketing”), the Boston Globe (“Flu Shots Are Safe, But Do They Work?”), and the Wall Street Journal (“They Shoot Flu-Shot Skeptics, Don’t They?”).
Enough to know that being exposed to the flu can build antibodies. Plus all the hundreds of different side effect tamiflu can give you. No thanks i'll take the runny nose, fever and headache for a few days and let my body learn to cope with it. If I die I die, if I live to fight off the flu another day so be it.++ Positive Crew ++
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12-23-2012, 05:06 PM #47
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There are many different strains of the flu, they "guess" which one will be prevalent in the upcoming season and inoculate against that one. There is a chance you will get a different strain than the one for which you were inoculated against. Besides, flu vaccinations are optional for adults anyways. Let's talk about crucial childhood vaccinations.
Back to your original statement which you are now conveniently ignoring, that exposing your body to small amounts of a certain pathogen does no good. That's how your immune system works, it learns how to fight something then can protect you against it. Introducing a small amount of it allows your immune system to build an immunity to it without you being infected first. Or perhaps you'd prefer to do things "the old fashioned way" and get Polio and Smallpox first.
If you have kids I hope you get them vaccinated against Polio and Smallpox.
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From the very same article: "But it's wrong to portray the global medical community as a stooge of greedy drug makers. The flu vaccine isn't useless and neither is Tamiflu. It's just that they, like all infection-control measures, are not perfect. There is no question that the vaccine does enhance one's immune response to flu—and it certainly does not give people the flu. It's likely the shot hasn't led yet to a dramatic population-wide decrease in flu deaths. But the proper response isn't for us to finger-point at drug companies and public health officials and call for repealing vaccine efforts.
What critics of flu-control policies don't get is that any global effort to stop an infection always goes through a process in which doctors learn more over successive battles and refine their strategies. That is exactly what is now happening in the battle against flu. We are not witnessing the work of industry puppet-masters. This is the scientific process in action.
It's easy to demonize Big Pharma and just call for more and more studies before taking decisive action. But sometimes we have to move. Consider the chicken-pox vaccine, which was first licensed in the United States in 1995. Preliminary data suggested the vaccine could stop the disease, but the studies included only a few thousand children. Arguments against universal chicken pox vaccination sounded similar to those against flu shots—the illness is harmless, the vaccine doesn't reliably produce immunity, drug companies are running the show, and so on—but authorities persisted and endorsed universal vaccination. Within a few years, we realized that children needed two separate shots, not one, to get stronger immunity, and national policies were changed. Before vaccines, chicken pox killed 100 children and led to 10,000 hospitalizations annually, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In school-age children, attack rates fell by almost 80 percent after vaccination began, and deathswere nearly eliminated."
Why cherry pick so obviously?
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12-23-2012, 05:15 PM #55
thimerosol....not even once
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy
No, there is no scientific evidence (yet)
But, we've seen many drugs in the past that were thought to be "perfectly safe" but were later discovered to have serious side effects. I can't name a specific drug off the top of my head, but I'm thinking of a birth control pill that was pulled from shelves in the 90s
if you aren't questioning vaccines, you probably also voted for obama or romney and are a very good robot. don't think for yourself, it's hard
there are better ways to eliminate diseases than vaccines. most (STRONG majority) of the diseases we get come from all the toxins in our water and foods. if we had healthier food (REAL food) we wouldn't see most of the diseases that are so prevalent in our society. it's all related to consumptionLast edited by 2813308004; 12-23-2012 at 05:23 PM.
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He isn't against vaccination. He clearly said that he supports the vaccines that were offered in 1989, but thinks that the large increase in the number of required vaccines is unnecessary and harmful. They spent most of the interview talking about how they were able to cure her son of autism through treatments that are not widely recognized.
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12-23-2012, 05:15 PM #58
what i said
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12-23-2012, 05:17 PM #59
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I think the problem with the people who are against vaccines is because of the influenza vaccine..they are right in saying that it is not always effective. Its only effective if they have correctly predicted which strain will be infectious that year (they are right most of the time) and to be completely honest, if you do not have kids, and are older than 15/younger than 40, you probably dont need a flu shot.
however to say that all vaccinations are harmful/ineffective is plain ignorance.
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