Did I lose strength or is it normal? I could do 20 pistol squats before, when I started superslow I couldn't do a single rep, now I can do 3 reps 10/10 sec cadence. But when I went back to quick 2/2 reps I couldn't do 20 anymore.
Same thing happened with chin-ups. I could do 14 chin-ups, I started with superslow, I can't do many reps anymore.
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12-16-2012, 04:53 PM #1
Can't do high reps after starting superslow
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12-16-2012, 05:32 PM #2
Your muscles gain strength in the way you train them. You decide how you want to determine how "strong" you are. If you want to gain strength doing superslow then use that as your metric, constantly changing won't let you gauge your progression.
Look under your chair. YOU GET A REP, AND YOU GET A REP, REPS FOR EVERYONE! If I get a rep, you get a rep, every time. Give me a link to make my life a little easier.
If you don't give me a link and you didn't post in the thread you rep'd me in, I'm not gonna go searching for you. I'll get everyone on recharge.
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12-17-2012, 05:35 AM #9
What I'm saying here is there's no real point to doing a rep, especially in the concentric, that slow. There really isn't going to be a significant difference in strength gains in superslow that can't be achieved with a good tempo. You want real benefits with superslow? Make sure you do the eccentric portion of the rep super slow. More muscle fiber damage happens in the eccentric, and you are supposed to do it slow anyway.
If you see positive results in superslow have at it. I just found it to be time consuming, boring, and the weight load is significantly decreased. And I mean drastically, to the point where the weight has to be so much lighter I have a hard time finding it beneficial.7 foot tall crew checking in
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12-17-2012, 06:21 AM #10
It's not 'normal' to do "superslow" reps.
It's a fad that the muscle magazines attempted to popularize 15 years ago, but it quickly faded away because it doesn't work.
Instead of following "magic" programs, you'd do well to simply get on an established program and follow the same basics that work for everyone. Any number of these can be found in the stickies at the top of the 'workout programs' forum.No brain, no gain.
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12-17-2012, 07:06 AM #11
That's what I'm trying to say. Everyone has a new & supposedly innovative way to work out. After I tried Superslow once or twice I tossed it into the fad junkpile, where everything else belongs like 8 minute abs, Zumba, etc etc. Muscles have not changed in forever. The ancient people knew how to work them- you contract them against resistance, efficiently. Look at the ancient Spartans. They didn't have BCAA's and preworkouts to give them placebo effect, they used tried and true methods that stand strong to this day. But people will always make money off of fads, as long as they are catchy and different.
Here's the best rule of thumb to go by: Whenever someone comes out with a new exercise fad, movement, or piece of equipment that is unique and catchy, chalk it up to horsesh!t before you try it and then you won't be disappointed with it when it doesn't work.Last edited by Roidmonster55; 12-17-2012 at 07:14 AM.
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12-17-2012, 07:11 AM #12
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12-17-2012, 08:20 AM #13
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ok here is the thing. there are two types of failure mode when it comes to exercising. one is called muscle fatigue where the muscle has no energy to move anymore. the other is called neural fatigue where the receptors on your muscle becomes ineffective.
I would imagine the so called "superslow" is doing the movement very slow. in this case, your receptors are activate constantly and becomes fatigue even tho your muscles are not.
if your goal is to increase better mind to muscle connection, then doing superslow might help, if your goal is to grow muscles then superslow is not.
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12-17-2012, 08:56 AM #14
I have found that superslow works best for me, if I do quick reps with more weight I get injuries. For big muscles I do 10/10 sec reps, for small muscles I do 5/5 sec reps. When I started with superslow 13 years ago I made crazy gains, but then I switched to faster reps and made zero gains in size, but I could do more reps. Few months ago I switched to superslow again and now I can't do many reps anymore, but I notice huge gains in size, just like 13 years ago.
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12-17-2012, 09:05 AM #16No brain, no gain.
"The fitness and nutrition world is a breeding ground for obsessive-compulsive behavior. The irony is that many of the things people worry about have no impact on results either way, and therefore aren't worth an ounce of concern."--Alan Aragon
Where the mind goes, the body follows.
Ironwill Gym:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=629719403&postcount=3388
Ironwill2008 Journal:
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12-17-2012, 09:14 AM #17
Superslow can be useful as it forces people to use good form whom refuse to otherwise. Other than that, superslow is sh!t and the sooner you accept it as fact, scrap it, and use a real program the sooner you can start progressing.
Ancient people used rocks, logs, bodyweight, etc. They improvised. They used whatever resource they had. But the point is they used it right. Nowadays we have the advantage of modern equipment but the disadvantage of placebo and sh!t workout methods that are useless. Go back to the primal ways of working out. Contract your muscles efficiently against resistance to make them grow. It's easy, lift and eat. Ditch the bullsh!t.7 foot tall crew checking in
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12-17-2012, 09:33 AM #23No brain, no gain.
"The fitness and nutrition world is a breeding ground for obsessive-compulsive behavior. The irony is that many of the things people worry about have no impact on results either way, and therefore aren't worth an ounce of concern."--Alan Aragon
Where the mind goes, the body follows.
Ironwill Gym:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=629719403&postcount=3388
Ironwill2008 Journal:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=157459343&p=1145168733
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12-17-2012, 09:34 AM #24
OP please listen to me. Stop going in circles trying to justify a program/exercise that doesn't work. There's a reason you posted the question you did- because you were having trouble/issues with it. There is a valid reason for why you are having issues, it's because it doesn't work. You need to stop trying to find someone who will validate your reasons for trying to continue pursuing gains with it. You made gains in the past because you were forced to use good form. Now take that ability to use good form and do something with it.
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12-17-2012, 10:01 AM #29
I'm not having issues with superslow, it works great for gains, but when I switch back to fast reps, I can't do as many anymore. I want to know the explanation for this. I think it's because with fast reps you train explosiveness. I don't use explosiveness in anything, so training quick is useless for me.
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