Oklahoman does it Texas style

[HoneyBadger300]

Don't over look your squat PR brah!

Look back on Wednesday and see that your "recovery day" military press was heavy enough that you actually missed some reps. I would consider scaling that back about 25lbs and try again.

If its free I would see what 70's big has to say but, your not squatting 355x5 at 170 by accident try some stuff out for yourself.

Thanks, that is true. I guess my ant delts could still be shot from Volume day, and then being hit again with heavy OHP. My concern is that this stall showed up when I started doing too much accessory/assistance work, and this was the first week not doing any added exercises. I'll pound out next week, take the following week off, and in the mean time I'll be talking to some of the other TM guys to see what they would suggest. There's a lot of options and directions I can take, and I know different things work for different people, but I feel like they'll be able to offer advice that stays within the TM programming.

[showmestate08]

Deadlift
Belted
365 x 3
I don't know what's up. Could just need the week off to fully rest because right now I'm going nowhere. Changed up my form a bit to get my shoulders a little farther back and pull backwards a bit more, definitely activated more glute, but after 3 reps I was shot.[/center]

Deadlifts were frustrating. 365 is even starting to feel like a grinder. Not sure what to do, or where to go from here, didn't video deads because... I don't know, embarrassment I guess.

I made a similar change to my DL form a couple weeks ago. Hips started lower, chest was more upright, shoulders started farther back. My strength just seemed to plummet--primarily off of the floor. Yeaaa, my stronger form may not be as pretty but after watching some heavy pullers and their unorthodox form, I'm just going to roll with what works best for me.

[HoneyBadger300]

I made a similar change to my DL form a couple weeks ago. Hips started lower, chest was more upright, shoulders started farther back. My strength just seemed to plummet--primarily off of the floor. Yeaaa, my stronger form may not be as pretty but after watching some heavy pullers and their unorthodox form, I'm just going to roll with what works best for me.

Yeah I agree. I just want to stick to what I know, the rippetoe-ian method. Shoulder-blades over the bar, butt high, shins touching the bar. Although trying to adjust the form definitely played a part in missing deads today, I don't think it had as much to do with it as my back just giving out did. Same problem as before.

[Drew50]

what did you warm up sets look like for deadlifts yesterday?

[HoneyBadger300]

what did you warm up sets look like for deadlifts yesterday?

150 2x5
230 1x3
Belt
325 1x2

[izzygrant]

you can't expect to hit in training what you hit on your max days when you're properly peaked and deloaded. that's why peaking programs exist. if you want to tweak TM by adding a bunch of accessory and ramping up percentages, that's fine, but then don't be surprised or freak out when you pay for it by not PR'ing every lift every week. also, your lifts will improve at different ratios as you exhaust noob gains at varying speed due to training focus and technique modifications. you're still making major technique improvements (e.g. you don't even arch yet) which are going to throw a wrench in things.

tl;dr calm down, give a program some time to work, and do what arian told you. and try to keep some food down too.

[HoneyBadger300]

you can't expect to hit in training what you hit on your max days when you're properly peaked and deloaded. that's why peaking programs exist. if you want to tweak TM by adding a bunch of accessory and ramping up percentages, that's fine, but then don't be surprised or freak out when you pay for it by not PR'ing every lift every week. also, your lifts will improve at different ratios as you exhaust noob gains at varying speed due to training focus and technique modifications. you're still making major technique improvements (e.g. you don't even arch yet) which are going to throw a wrench in things.

tl;dr calm down, give a program some time to work, and do what arian told you. and try to keep some food down too.

Word.

[HoneyBadger300]

Week 6

Since squats have been moving fine, I'm going to start trying to increase the gap between Volume and Intensity. Keeping Volume at 305 and going to increase Intensity to 360. OHP volume is going to be a crushing 135x5x5, we'll see how that goes, then a PR on I-day 155x3. I'm going to go ahead and make the switch from Rows to Power Cleans and do 5x3, pairing speed pulls and back work so I'm not adding another exercise. Hoping it'll serve as the speed deads that are suggested to help drive deadlift up. I'm also decreasing my Recovery day squats from 80% of volume day, to 75% of volume day. I'll still be greasing the groove for I-Day, but it won't be as wearing. For deadlifts, sticking to my conventional rippetoe form since that's all I know and it was previously working. Deloaded from the successful 405x5 to 365x3, since I'm maintaining volume day the same, replacing rows with PC's early in the week, and having a lighter recovery day, I'll see how I feel as far as the weight goes. I might switch up the order of things and hit OHP first and fresh, then squats, then move to deads. I usually end up getting sore, tight, and fatigued the longer I weight after heavy squats, so maybe going right into deads will mitigate that. We'll see how I feel.

[OdinPowered]

sounds like a plan! hope it works for yah

[HoneyBadger300]

sounds like a plan! hope it works for yah

Thanks, you and me both!

[Drew50]

sounds like a plan! hope it works for yah

x2 sounds like you put some thought thought into it, we'll see how it goes over the next few weeks

[HoneyBadger300]

x2 sounds like you put some thought thought into it, we'll see how it goes over the next few weeks

Yeah, I tried. We'll see what happens. Hoping to start progressing again, because every time I stall I start thinking about other programs. I need to stick to this one since it's working for my squat. +20 pounds on my 5RM since I started.

[HoneyBadger300]

Week 12
Volume Day
Done with cycles, just gonna shop til I drop.

Squat
305 x 5
305 x 5
305 x 5
305 x 5
305 x 5
5th Set


OHP
Even with the missed rep, this was a Volume PR
135 x 5
135 x 5
135 x 4
Lost tightness in my lats on the 3rd rep and lost focus. Ground out the 4th and couldn't squeeze out the 5th
135 x 5
135 x 5
1st set

5th set

Wore my squatting shoes instead of my chucks this week. Not sure how much of a difference it made, but 135 was surprisingly easy. Very happy with it.

Hang Cleans
Gotta work on Power Cleans
145 5x3
Felt good, think I kinked my wrist on one of those OHP sets.

Very awesome workout, extremely happy with it. Shoulders will be totally dead tomorrow.

[Marshall28]

nice job. Keep at it!

[OdinPowered]

****ing strong

[HoneyBadger300]

nice job. Keep at it!

Thanks a bunch.

****ing strong

'preciate it bro. Trying to get a huge OHP like yours.

I really appreciate the support and encouragement you all give me. It really helps out.

[OdinPowered]

I've never done 135 5x5, haven't attempted it either though. 155x5 should be mine without much trouble but you didn't even struggle on those reps!

[HoneyBadger300]

I've never done 135 5x5, haven't attempted it either though. 155x5 should be mine without much trouble but you didn't even struggle on those reps!

Haha, thanks. I was so mad about some **** that happened this weekend. This whole workout I was pretty much running on pure rage, and 2 round scoops of c-4 because I was tired and dehydrated. I'll be pounding out 155x3 on Friday, I think I should up my OHP PR percentage because I hit the PR's with ease, and usually even get more reps than planned. I'm going to try for that 155x5, but we'll see, just gotta stay tight and not lose focus like I did on set 3.

[HoneyBadger300]

Week 12
Recovery Day
BW 169.2

Squat
225 x 5
225 x 5

Bench
180 x 5
180 x 5
180 x 5
Felt heavy... frustrating

Chins
BW 3 x 10

GHR
BW 2 x 10
3rd set? No thanks Jeff. Hammies are dying.

Might spend some time away from TM after this 12th week, since Bench and Deads are both stalled hard. I'm not saying it's over between us, I'm just saying we both need some space. I've got my eye on something else right now... she's Russian

[OdinPowered]

Sheiko is ***gy

[HoneyBadger300]

Sheiko is ***gy

Perfect! Our purses will match

[Drew50]

Sheiko is ***gy

was hopeing for dat thur smolov

[HoneyBadger300]

was hopeing for dat thur smolov

I was thinking about smolov too, but there's no deadlifts involved, and deads and bench are currently my problem areas. I could do Smolov and Jr for bench, or I could just do Sheiko 29 and see what it's like. If I like it, I could do 32 to test my maxes, or continue on to 37 to grab more gains before doing the first couple weeks of 32. Then I'd take the new Maxes into TM again, with the adjustments I just made (Power cleans, decreased recovery day weight, etc.)

[HoneyBadger300]

Week 12
Intensity Day
Pre-workout BW 169.8 (damnit)

Squat
Belted
360 x 5
5lb PR


OHP
Belted
155 x 3
Rep PR, +1
175 x 0
or giggles... yeah no way. Just holding it was so tight on my lats and triceps.


Deadlift
Belted
315 x 2
375 x 3
Round back of peace. Tell me what I'm doing wrong.

SHOCK ME LIKE AN ELECTRIC EEL!

[Drew50]

there is no stopping you with the squat PRs

[HoneyBadger300]

there is no stopping you with the squat PRs

Haha, I hope not! I'm still not sure where to go with my deads and bench. OHP PR was a pretty good. After a triple, I get to increase the weight on Intensity Day. If I stick with TM (I have no idea what to do) I'll be throwing up 164x1 next time, near BW.

[OdinPowered]

strong squats man. you'll be out squatting your dl soon.

ohp looked easy as well

[HoneyBadger300]

strong squats man. you'll be out squatting your dl soon.

ohp looked easy as well

That's what I'm afraid of. Might have to learn how to sumo if my back is going to keep bitching out.

[OdinPowered]

That's what I'm afraid of. Might have to learn how to sumo if my back is going to keep bitching out.

Don't be a ******* and sumo. Maybe you should change your DL to VD like drew did.

[HoneyBadger300]

Don't be a ******* and sumo. Maybe you should change your DL to VD like drew did.

Yeah, I can't imagine that would be good for my squat gains on I-day though. Plus I'm so wiped out after VD, I'd have to deload even further just to get the bar up.