Trunutrition Samples: Shipping question

[NO HYPE]

I think it takes longer for the product to ship now because it's more expensive with the added weight of the o-rings

rofl

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about a year ago, a similar substance was found in the Irish Cream flavor. Is the breakdown of rubber o-rings really that common? Just seems strange that this isn't being reported elsewhere within the industry.

Additionally, why are your reps implicating that this recent o-ring incident was isolated to the Shamrock flavor, when in fact it included the Banana Cream flavor as well [pictures were posted].

Which will take longer?

The delivery of the OP's samples.... or Greg's response to my inquiry?

[VaughnTrue]

Which will take longer?

The delivery of the OP's samples.... or Greg's response to my inquiry?

recommend that someone take 3000mg of PEA, and Greg will be here in a flash of an eye.

[NO HYPE]

recommend that someone take 3000mg of PEA, and Greg will be here in a flash of an eye.

Clue me in.... what's with his affinity for PEA?

[VaughnTrue]

Clue me in.... what's with his affinity for PEA?

a while back there was a thread about PEA. I came into the thread(just a few no-name posters at this point, no regulars/reps), and said I find PEA to be awesome, and that 1500-3000mg will have you feeling pretty crazy. I specifically stated that I wasn't suggesting anyone do it per say, but that I found it to be a fun time.

Greg came in(he was pretty new to the boards at this time), and started going nuts on me telling me I was being irresponsible, PEA is a dangerous compound, and that dosage could seriously harm someone.

I'm going to go look for it now.

edit: here it is. LOL now I remember why I found it so odd...he rips me a new one for saying I used 3000mg PEA, but then tells people to use Rx drugs for other uses besides their intended design(and to use them without an Rx)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...6428771&page=1

[NO HYPE]

a while back there was a thread about PEA. I came into the thread(just a few no-name posters at this point, no regulars/reps), and said I find PEA to be awesome, and that 1500-3000mg will have you feeling pretty crazy. I specifically stated that I wasn't suggesting anyone do it per say, but that I found it to be a fun time.

Greg came in(he was pretty new to the boards at this time), and started going nuts on me telling me I was being irresponsible, PEA is a dangerous compound, and that dosage could seriously harm someone.

I'm going to go look for it now.

edit: here it is. LOL now I remember why I found it so odd...he rips me a new one for saying I used 3000mg PEA, but then tells people to use Rx drugs for other uses besides their intended design(and to use them without an Rx)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...6428771&page=1

Oh yeah.... forgot all about that jewel of a thread.

Amazing the guy had the audacity to hop on you about a lack of morals for posting your personal experience with PEA.... yet goes on to irresponsibly recommend taking an Rx [deprenyl] with PEA. Classic.

[VaughnTrue]

Oh yeah.... forgot all about that jewel of a thread.

Amazing the guy had the audacity to hop on you about a lack of morals for posting your personal experience with PEA.... yet goes on to irresponsibly recommend taking an Rx [deprenyl] with PEA. Classic.

Exactly...I said a high dose of a legal/DSHEA compliant compound was fun to take, and get yelled at it. He suggest people about Rx meds and he thinks he's in the right. But I digress...this is Greg we're talking about. He makes fun of the mentally handicapped...what do we really expect of him?

Up until that thread, he and I had never had ANY interaction... that was quite literally the first thing he had ever said to me.

[NO HYPE]

But I digress...this is Greg we're talking about. He makes fun of the mentally handicapped...what do we really expect of him?

inb4lockbandelete

[jaimeruiz99]

To be fair Vaughn, Greg made a good point in that thread.

[NO HYPE]

To be fair Vaughn, Greg made a good point in that thread.

Was Greg's suggestion to use deprenyl with PEA a good point as well?

Vaughn was asked about his personal dosing protocol.... Vaughn responded. At no point did he suggest mimicking his actions.

[jaimeruiz99]

what? illegally adding Rx drugs to PEA makes it so you can take less of a dose?

I don't see him recommending the use of Deprenyl. There's a huge 'IF' prior to his statement. That was pretty good advice, given what I know about the compound. :/

Kind of like 'If you ever find yourself using ********, avoid taking this with Fluoxetine etc.'

[jaimeruiz99]

Regardless, despite his relative technical knowledge, Greg is a turd of a person.

Vaughn treats people well and you would never think the guy was a part-owner of iForce given his humility.

[nico806]

My spidey senses are going off in this thread...

[GregW1]

Former Trutein fan here. I was wondering if you'd comment on the following PM I recieved from a respected member of the forum which indicates that about a year ago, a similar substance was found in the Irish Cream flavor. Is the breakdown of rubber o-rings really that common? Just seems strange that this isn't being reported elsewhere within the industry.

Additionally, why are your reps implicating that this recent o-ring incident was isolated to the Shamrock flavor, when in fact it included the Banana Cream flavor as well [pictures were posted].

Last christmas I bought myself a tub of the Irish Cream seasonal flavor they put out. Tasted ok, but every so often I did get these little black clumps of what appeared to be dirt or something. The first time I saw one I assumed it was possibly powdered flavoring concentrate or something of the like. I proceeded to bite into it and it pretty much tasted like dirt. Fished a few more of them out of the tub and never quite figured out what it was. I'm not really one to draw attention to things or anything so I simply got rid of the tub and told my closer friends of my experience.

Irish cream is a coffee based. We used real ground coffee in Trutein Irish Cream. Tiny ground coffee bits are of course going to be present in the flavor. And straight up coffee beans taste bitter when bitten into.

The o-ring incident was isolated to one particular day in manufacturing. Now, we perform daily inspections on equipment seals, which is obviously much more frequent than the prior weekly inspections.

Also a few months back I took a trip out to a supp shop that a friend of mine owns. When I got in I saw a few tubs of smashed up Trutein lined along the back wall. I asked about them and he told me it was not an isolated incident and he had informed Greg about this. From what I was told, Greg would essentially tell him, thats too bad for you, and would do nothing to ameliorate the issue. This wouldn't have been such big problem if it was an isolated incident, but seeing as how it happened more than once with the same type of response from Greg...I feel as if there may be some underlying manufacturing/packaging issues at Trunutrition HQ.

Tubs are sent in Grade A condition out of the warehouse. If a tub was crushed, it was likely crushed during mishandling by the shipping carrier (UPS/FedEx aren't always the most careful handlers of packages). We replace damaged tubs due to shipping mishandling so I cannot speak to any more details to this incident because I am not aware of it. If tubs repeatedly come in crushed to a particular store, I would actually very much like to know because that way we could take preventative measures to avoid such shipping mishaps in the future, but I need the feedback first.

[GregW1]

a while back there was a thread about PEA. I came into the thread(just a few no-name posters at this point, no regulars/reps), and said I find PEA to be awesome, and that 1500-3000mg will have you feeling pretty crazy. I specifically stated that I wasn't suggesting anyone do it per say, but that I found it to be a fun time.

Greg came in(he was pretty new to the boards at this time), and started going nuts on me telling me I was being irresponsible, PEA is a dangerous compound, and that dosage could seriously harm someone.

I'm going to go look for it now.

edit: here it is. LOL now I remember why I found it so odd...he rips me a new one for saying I used 3000mg PEA, but then tells people to use Rx drugs for other uses besides their intended design(and to use them without an Rx)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...6428771&page=1

Telling someone who has NEVER taken PEA before to take 3g for the first time is nuts. A responsible answer would have been to take 250-500mg (assuming no MAOI is taken) and titrate upwards. What's most astonishing to me is that a tiny disagreement over PEA dosage from a year or so ago is the source for all your belittling and criticizing me, TNS and my reps. I told you several times, "hey man, let's forget it - you disagreed with me disagreeing with your dosage so that's that. it was nothing, let bygones be bygones" and you STILL to this day harbor that resentment to bring it up in this thread, and presumably it still fuels your contempt for me, the reps & the company. Issues as small as a minor disagreement on a forum really shouldn't be something that gets under one's skin like that and keeps on keepin on. Be cool, man.

[GregW1]

See post #44

The o-ring incident was isolated to one particular day in manufacturing. Now, we perform daily inspections on equipment seals, which is obviously much more frequent than the prior weekly inspections.

[NO HYPE]

I don't see him recommending the use of Deprenyl. There's a huge 'IF' prior to his statement.

Just want you to see this from Vaughn's point of view....

30mg is all that's needed with deprenyl.

the MAOI should be ingested 20-30 minutes BEFORE the PEA.

[NO HYPE]

Issues as small as a minor disagreement on a forum really shouldn't be something that gets under one's skin like that and keeps on keepin on.

Agreed. So let's briefly set the record straight, and put this behind us. Your accusation was that Vaughn 'should know better than to recommend those dangerous dosages.'.

Now granted, it's not a wise decision to recommend dosages with a compound that may elicit deleterious effects in susceptible individuals however, he did not recommend any dosage whatsoever. He was merely questioned about his [personal] dosing protocol. At no point did he suggest taking the same dose and in fact.... after I brought up the issue of interindividual variables, he quickly responded by agreeing with me. /rant

[jaimeruiz99]

See post #44

Do you know who Reed Hastings is? You probably do, in addition to every business-minded individual in this thread.

Founded Netflix. Very intelligent individual - much like you. Netflix is starting to go down the sinker though, not as good as it used to be.

Why? Because despite his ability to run a company that has supplied the populace with a desirable line of services and products, the manner by which he deals with his consumers has been nothing short of deplorable. The price hike last year comes to mind. Shows a wanton disregard for the position of his consumers.

The guy has absolutely no emotional intelligence, in other words.

Greg, it isn't in my place to say, but I'll say it anyway: you need someone to help you run the day to day, someone who can handle the PR, Marketing and Consumer issues.

I mean, would this entire O-ring issue have occurred had you someone around to help you run the place? I mean, it just seems like you're the only one working or supervising in that facility - can't blame you for making that mistake if this is the case.

People will say otherwise, but I think you are extremely intelligent. Your turd of a personality however, has negatively impacted the way people see your business.

Take a note from Cahill and Vaughn. They don't run things on their own, and they actively interact with their customer base.

[VaughnTrue]

Agreed. So let's briefly set the record straight, and put this behind us. Your accusation was that Vaughn 'should know better than to recommend those dangerous dosages.'.

Now granted, it's not a wise decision to recommend dosages with a compound that may elicit deleterious effects in susceptible individuals however, he did not recommend any dosage whatsoever. He was merely questioned about his [personal] dosing protocol. At no point did he suggest taking the same dose and in fact.... after I brought up the issue of interindividual variables, he quickly responded by agreeing with me. /rant

Logic?

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Logic?

rofl.... gif saved

[stevedm]

I think people need to chill about the o ring thing. Worse things have happened...ie fungal meningitis in steroid manufacturing.

Notice no one who actually got contaminated tubs shows up on these threads complaining? Greg took care of us in a professional manner and to our satisfaction. The protein is of very high quality and tastes delicious. I dont know Greg and I dont care what his personality is like. No offence but I think everyone just needs to take a breath and let it go.

[jaimeruiz99]

I think people need to chill about the o ring thing. Worse things have happened...ie fungal meningitis in steroid manufacturing.

Notice no one who actually got contaminated tubs shows up on these threads complaining? Greg took care of us in a professional manner and to our satisfaction. The protein is of very high quality and tastes delicious. I dont know Greg and I dont care what his personality is like. No offence but I think everyone just needs to take a breath and let it go.

When that company found out that their produce was tainted, they shut down production and issued a recall. Bodybuilding.com did the same thing after the whole AAS debacle.

I do think people should back off from the ad hominem arguments, but the part about taking care of his consumers in a professional manner isn't all that accurate.

In response to the queries regarding the O-ring, he essentially responded that the O-rings were edible, therefore, not warranting a recall or a refund of any sorts.

[koard31]

Greg and professionalism used together?

DONT CROSS THE STREAMS!

[stevedm]

When that company found out that their produce was tainted, they shut down production and issued a recall. Bodybuilding.com did the same thing after the whole AAS debacle.

I do think people should back off from the ad hominem arguments, but the part about taking care of his consumers in a professional manner isn't all that accurate.

In response to the queries regarding the O-ring, he essentially responded that the O-rings were edible, therefore, not warranting a recall or a refund of any sorts.

you need to relax.

comparing tainted steroid to an inert piece of tiny plastic/rubber is not a straight across comparison. You do not need a recall for a few tubs that contain something that is not harmful. When 20 people die from fungal meningitis its a little different. My background in this discussion is as an interventional pain specialist who injects steroids daily and as someone who actually received 2 tubs of shamrock trutein....which I strained and ate every last bit. No one ever said orings were edible but I can tell you that tiny little pieces are not harmful.

no offence but you are the exact type of person for which i wrote my paragraph above. You did not get any contaminated product yet you are continuing to speak about them like it was such a terrible thing. If you dont wat to support his company then dont but there is no need to drag anyone under the bus over and over again.

[VaughnTrue]

you need to relax.

comparing tainted steroid to an inert piece of tiny plastic/rubber is not a straight across comparison. You do not need a recall for a few tubs that contain something that is not harmful. When 20 people die from fungal meningitis its a little different. My background in this discussion is as an interventional pain specialist who injects steroids daily and as someone who actually received 2 tubs of shamrock trutein....which I strained and ate every last bit. No one ever said orings were edible but I can tell you that tiny little pieced are not harmful.

no offence but you are the exact type of person for which i wrote my paragraph above. You did not get any contaminated product yet you are continuing to speak about them like it was such a terrible thing. If you dont wat to support his company then dont but there is no need to drag anyone under the bus over and over again.

I really could care less about the entire O-ring thing(which is why I haven't commented on it previously), but this is not a correct statement.

If the product differs from the master batch record(ie - contains foreign ingredients regardless of them being food grade or not), it is contaminated. Contaminated products should always be recalled.

Unfortunately, after our strawberry recall I've had to learn a bit too much about recalls.

[jaimeruiz99]

I really could care less about the entire O-ring thing(which is why I haven't commented on it previously), but this is not a correct statement.

If the product differs from the master batch record(ie - contains foreign ingredients regardless of them being food grade or not), it is contaminated. Contaminated products should always be recalled.

Unfortunately, after our strawberry recall I've had to learn a bit too much about recalls.

Why'd the strawberry get recalled? I didn't even hear about that.

[VaughnTrue]

Why'd the strawberry get recalled? I didn't even hear about that.

It contained an incredibly small amount of wheat, and although our label indicated that it contained wheat, it was not listed as a specific allergen.

It was my bad when proofing the label.

The product itself was not contaminated in any way, and we have not a single end user return despite notifying them.

[stevedm]

I really could care less about the entire O-ring thing(which is why I haven't commented on it previously), but this is not a correct statement.

If the product differs from the master batch record(ie - contains foreign ingredients regardless of them being food grade or not), it is contaminated. Contaminated products should always be recalled.

Unfortunately, after our strawberry recall I've had to learn a bit too much about recalls.

"should" or have to be recalled? srs question.

[jaimeruiz99]

"should" or have to be recalled? srs question.

If you want to keep your rep fresh and clean, then stick to the rules and play the game nicely.

Don't want to spend the money or the time? Then don't expect consumers to respond nicely.

Like I said, it'd do him well to hire people who can help him manage the biz.